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Hilgya's the highest level stuck behind the elementals... and the least wise.

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Speaking of clerics, where's Hilgya?

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Finally getting around to GMing this on Sunday, after playing it twice in the past. Thanks for all the tips in this thread, and especially the Jade Ogre handouts and Yue Xin words of "wisdom" on the GM prep site.

TL,DR: Dot.

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Fromper wrote:
Also, from all the past tense stuff dealing with Durkon's family in his memories, I'd been expecting them to all be dead by now. But given the young priest recognizing the last name and knowing Durkon's mother, I suspect she's alive and probably about to meet the Order.

So apparently, I made a correct prediction a year and a half ago.

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TriOmegaZero wrote:
They gotta find the diamonds for her. Just cause Hilgya has them doesn't mean she will share.

It's not just diamonds they need - it's also spells. Durkon doesn't have any spells prepared, and Hilgya already cast Raise Dead twice today. How many do you think she prepared?

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He's there. I think he's actually fully transitioned to neutral at this point.

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Muse. wrote:

- this story is a little old, being from LG days, but still good...

Party is looking at a long dark tunnel that they know leads to a den of thieves. Surely there are traps, and they don't really have anyone to find them, let along disable them. But then one of the PCs says "Hay! I've got a Bag of Tricks!" So he pulls a random animal out of it and (dice rattle) it's a cat (house cat).
"Search Phlahphie!" and what do you know - it get's 10 feet in and SPLAT! and that still leaves a bunch of tunnel to get down. So they draw another. (This was in 3.5 days, so you could draw creatures 5 times a week.)
Rattle dice and it's another cat. 10 MORE feet and splat. Again, and ANOTHER cat.
"Search Phlahphie!" and you guessed it - it get's 10 more feet in and SPLAT!
The dice rattle and guess what?, another cat.

At which point the judge points out the cat stops and looks real accusingly back at the player. "It looks like the same cat."

Guess what the player did? yeah, sent it down the hall. After all, "It's got nine lives!"

That reminds me of GMing a PFS adventure a few years ago, and one of the players had a wand of Summon Monster 1. Why spend 2 prestige on a wand that takes a round to summon a critter that only lasts 1 round? Well, they went into the sewers, and kept sending ponies ahead to scout for traps as they approached the area known to be a monster lair. It worked twice - once to set off a trap, and once to set off the ambush so no PCs took the hit in the surprise round.

This led to many jokes about where the ponies come from, and where do they go after they're done. Is there some pony dimension somewhere, where the ponies keep disappearing, then reappearing dead 6 seconds later, while the other ponies watch in horror, waiting their turn?

Sir Loin - Knightspawn wrote:

Ok, this is an old gimmick (for us) but we pulled it on a newer Judge just recently...

We sometimes run a bluff that we are an Aspis Team posing as a Pathfinder team - which explained why we had a few Wayfinders with us, and no Aspis badges.

We explain to the "Aspis friendly NPCs" - "It would blow our cover to be carrying our Badges - so we left them back at Base.

"And we don't have enough Wayfinders to go around, so we are making do with the ones we could get ahold of. Now, we need you to help with the cover story... remember, a gang of Pathfinders came to talk to you..." {wink-wink} "...totally NOT an Aspis team."

The funniest part is that one of the players was really tired and kept getting mixed up and saying she was a Pathfinder and then NPCs would just say something like "Yeah, I got that"...

Yeah - we were Pathfinders, claiming to be Aspis agents posing as Pathfinders..."see, we have a couple Wayfinders..."

Edit: Couldn't you just see this table with a BDF at it saying: "well, really we ARE Pathfinders... aren't we?" and the rest of us just smiling and letting the NPCs think "she's a little slow sometimes..."

Again, I'm reminded of one of my own adventures. I was a PC for this one, but we were on a mission to infiltrate a group of Hellknights, and one of the other PCs was an actual Hellknight (prestige class). Since the Hellknight PC had 7 int and 7 wis, we decided to just not tell her that we were undercover. The player just "played dumb" (as she always does with that PC) while the rest of us did the investigating, under the cover of her character's authority.

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thejeff wrote:


And on the strip itself: The gods don't know about the world in the rift. Oh boy.

Ummm... yeah. That would seem to be the most important part in all this. That and Belkar finally getting the acknowledgment he deserves for being the only smart one on the team.

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Enough Diamonds Already

Ok, that was perfect.

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So does this mean Durkon took the Leadership feat?

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The Raven Black wrote:
MageHunter wrote:

As I recall, Giant in the Playground was a phrase used in Babylon 5, which Burlew is a big fan of.

A large plot arc was two different cosmic level species fighting each other with human collateral damage.

Who are you ?

What do you want ?

;-)

"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price. I would look up into your lifeless eyes and wave... like this."

My favorite character on that show.

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The barbarians rejecting magic altogether strikes me as a dig at 1st edition Unearthed Arcana.

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"If you fall from grace, do you take 20d6 falling damage?"

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Tectorman wrote:
Or is the fact that the Dark One would have to similarly "cash out" his followers a point Durkon can use to make the bargain?

I'm assuming that's how he'll convince Redcloak, even if the Dark One won't listen.

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Andostre wrote:
Thor motivates his followers like he battles his enemies: with a hammer.

I thought that last panel was awesome. Durkon's god is showing complete faith in him. It's a perfect role reversal in that regard.

But plot wise, this is exactly where we all knew this was going once we found out about the god color thing. Durkon has to make peace with Redcloak. Probably behind Xykon's back.

But first Durkon has to be resurrected. Not sure if Thor can do that without a mortal casting the spell, which is where Hilgya comes in. But she'll have to be convinced to actually do it. Which is probably where Loki comes in.

And I am kind of wondering what the rest of the Order has been doing while Durkon is busy here.

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Vidmaster7 wrote:
Ah yes orange the Egyptian (look-alike) gods.

Well, we've got the Egyptian gods in Pathfinder, so why not? I actually have an inquisitor of Isis in Pathfinder Society.

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I think my favorite thing is the pizza slicer. The piece of pizza has what appears to just be a sword. But its enemy has a specialized weapon just for cutting pizza.

There's just so much silliness in this bleak story.

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Better Left in the Past

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I don't usually start on the front page, so I missed it. Given how much they're trying to push Playtest, you'd think they'd make it easy to find for regulars who usually start out on other parts of their web site.

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Thank you. You'd think there would be links to that page prominently displayed somewhere. Or just displayed, prominently or otherwise.

The search box at the top of the forums doesn't find it. I wasn't just searching for products, either. It's not in the "everything" search for the word "playtest".

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So I know Paizo has been having issues with their web site and all, but it seems to be relatively stable for now. So it seemed like a good time for me to download the Playtest rulebook and give it a look.

But I can't find it. I only get links to buy the hardcover and softcover versions when I type "playtest" into the search box at the top of the page, but no pdf version.

I was told at Gen Con by Paizo employees that the playtest rulebook would be free to download. Is that true? Can someone provide a link? Where is it?

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I love all the background thoughts. And the fact that the big panel with the thoughts surrounding colors roughly represents the alignment scale.

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The part I still don't understand is why Paizo ever agreed to partner with Ninja Division in the first place.

When the Kickstarter was first announced, I hadn't heard of Ninja Division, so I looked them up on Google. It took me all of 2 minutes to discover that the one thing they're best known for is disappointing their Kickstarter backers. So I intentionally avoided the Kickstarter.

If I could find that out so easily, why didn't Paizo do at least that much research before making such an obvious mistake?

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Yes, after 6 or 7 years since we last saw it, I did forget about it.

After recent events, I keep saying I need to go back and reread all of OOTS from the beginning. This just drives that home.

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"...Xykon has a... ?"

My reaction was exactly the same as Durkon's.

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Am I the only one who has a problem with the banner on the top of the page? The search box overlaps with the "Sign In" or "My Account" option.

I resize my fonts to larger than average because of my lousy vision, which sometimes create problems like that on some web pages, so it wouldn't surprise me if nobody else has the same issue.

But given all the empty space between the Paizo logo on the left and the search bar, it would seem to be an easy fix - just move the search bar a little to the left, so it's not so close to the other stuff on the right (which overlaps for me).

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The other possibility is that Hilgya is Durkon's permanent replacement as the team cleric. I've kinda been assuming that since she showed up, but I was also assuming Durkon's soul would actually be destroyed once Durkula was done with it, which never happened.

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Joe Bouchard wrote:

The last group actually ran into Ichok outside the apothecary, and that was because they took Timinic with them when they left the safe house (which I had to ad hoc the schedule at that point, but it was an obvious next step).

I think that was my group. Had a fun time with this at Gen Con, now prepping to run it locally.

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Take those types of questions to the GM discussion thread.

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So I didn't find the bit about what happens to the soul when a vampire takes over the body, but I think I finally understand Odin's prophecy that got Durkon banished from the dwarven lands:

Link 1
Link 2
Link 3

Because only Durkon could pull THIS off.

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Anyone want to find the old strip where it's explained what happens to his soul? I know it was mentioned once, but I want to be sure.

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DURKON!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cry. Definitely cry.

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I had to look it up: Belkar getting the clasp from the gnome. I remembered he had it, but wondered why it didn't help earlier. I forgot that rubbing it was the activation, which Mr. Scruffy did.

Interestingly, Belkar is expressing his feelings, and the clasp isn't hurting him. His alignment just officially shifted - he's no longer evil!

As for Durkon's revelations, now I want to go back and read ALL of it, to see all the memories and how this was all set up. I'm not sure how I feel about this payoff, though - does this mean the vampire is no longer evil and no longer works for Hel? Shouldn't all vampires go through this when they're done absorbing all the memories of their hosts? I still don't quite get where that's all going.

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Jhaeman wrote:
Man, after so much build up, the big fight against Mokmurian turned into a big dud after he rolled a natural 1 on his save vs. feeblemind just a couple of rounds into the encounter. I knew that sort of thing was a risk going in, but it's still frustrating. Oh well, the players still had fun and enjoyed their victory, and I guess that's the most important thing.

I had something like that with Barl Breakbones. My group killed him way too easily. Mokmurian, on the other hand, caused the group's second PC death - that was actually a pretty epic fight.

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I don't know Michael Eshleman. From the way he's described here, he sounds like a good guy.

But I do know Paizo. I've been a PFS player and GM for 7 years. For the first year I was a player, the area where I lived had no venture officers. The first guy who applied for the V-C job got it, but he was a jerk who drove female players away, and he was quickly removed from the position. I've known several good venture officers who have never been removed by Paizo, though some have stepped down over the years, as life got in the way. So from what I've seen, Paizo does a pretty good job at deciding who needs to be removed from V-C positions when something goes wrong.

So who do you expect me to side with?

The point is we don't know the specifics of this situation. And if the details can't be posted here in this thread, so we can all find out what went down and judge for ourselves if it was fair, then this thread is pointless. You can't expect everyone on the Paizo forums to go wandering all over the internet looking for information on a situation that doesn't concern us.

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Secane wrote:

Sorry, but what is going on exactly?

All I am reading is that a well respected VC has been removed from his position?

Why was he removed and why does it require a petition to bring him back?

Agreed. Since the rest of us don't know why he was removed from the position, we have no basis to judge whether or not it was the right decision. So why would any of us support a petition? And what's the point of this thread?

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PaleDim wrote:
Where do folks get all of these race boons?

GMing at conventions.

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I remember playing Race for the Runecarved Key at the high tier (14-15?) with the same group of us who had gone through Eyes of the Ten together. There was one encounter where the GM flagged a "runner" over to the table to let them know we were done with an encounter, and they were like "already?".

At high levels, a well coordinated group can sometimes totally break encounters. Things like teleportation to get ahead of the enemies or Dismissal spells to remove summoned foes can really wreak havoc, even besides the uber-optimized damage dealers.

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That were ... intere'stin'.

Durkon seems to have more control over showing Durkula memories than I realized. I knew Durkon's mind could jump to something and show it, but this seems like they're talking about a greater level of control than that. And Durkula cares more about that than I would have expected.

Now I'm really curious where this latest memory is going.

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MadScientistWorking wrote:
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Hillis Mallory III wrote:

I find that over the grand scheme of things, what the character in the Scenario is specifically tends to not matter in the whole of the story that is told. It is nice to mention if a character asks, or it comes up in Role Play, but with Miss Feathers being the exception, the character has other things the characters need in interaction other than what they identify as or are.

I wonder how much of the fact that it doesn't come up in regards to NPCs is the fact that only until recently has Paizo been doing anything in regards to non binary cultures. Its weird to say that when canonically there are groups within Golarion that have no cultural understanding of gender that its not necessarily relevant.

I think it's more that the gender of NPCs tends not to play a major role in PFS stories to begin with. In the vast majority of scenarios, you could change the men into women and vice versa and the story wouldn't change a whole lot.

When players encounter an NPC, the first question on their mind isn't gender - it's whether the NPC is an enemy, ally or neutral. Is the NPC going to help them with the adventure, or will they have to be fought or maybe convinced to stand aside?

Ehhhh.... No. Your absolutely and completely wrong on that matter. If they could force the issue of sexuality of NPCs year after year after year after year then they can definitely make gender relevant. And I'm not saying that they're not but just to point out your whole argument is dumb.

I completely agree with Hillis and Lau on this one, and I really don't understand your reaction.

PFS isn't like a longer campaign, where players might want to take the time to get to know NPCs for their personalities. In PFS, the players are only focused on what they need from an NPC for the mission, and rarely care about the NPC's details unless the GM really plays it up. Half the time, the players don't even remember the NPC's name, let alone gender or anything else about them. I can't even count how many times I've heard "What's the name of the mayor we need to talk to?" or "Who's the other guy we were supposed to see?" (regardless of the gender of the "guy" in the latter)

And when it comes to enemies, it's even worse. Those are just minis on the map. Generic thugs are always assumed to be male. Unless the GM specifically says otherwise, in which case they're assumed to be important NPCs, not just generic thugs, because generic thugs are always male (and usually light skinned humans).

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Just chalk it up to the bad guys being arrogant and over-confident. They go for the direct approach, because they think they can get away with it.

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Shaudius wrote:
Fromper wrote:


False equivalence. Pathfinder is the flagship product of the company, and makes up a large majority of their business. Starfinder isn't.

With the move to 2 adventures a month and monthly ap and based on icv2 and website listings i don't know that you can make such a claim, i.e. large majority of their business, and this will certainly not be true in the upcoming year with the pf2 playtest ongoing.

It's pretty galling to see such disdain for one of a companies major products that you can't even handle one night of a con being exclusively dedicated to it when the other product gets 2 nights of the con exclusively dedicated to it, especially considering that the sfs special is selling equally well to the scenario on one of those nights.

I'd just like to point out that I was only pointing out the logical fallacy of your argument, but that doesn't mean I was taking sides.

I don't have a problem with the Paizo schedule the way it is. As Hillary said, the big specials are so noisy that they MUST use the entire Sagamore, because it would be challenging to play anything else in that room at the same time. Pathfinder gets two of them and Starfinder gets one, based on their relative popularity and importance to Paizo. It makes perfect sense.

And personally, I'll only be in the Sagamore for two sessions the entire weekend this year - the Friday night Pathfinder special and a regular Pathfinder game Thursday afternoon. I have other plans for much of the convention, though depending on how late I stay up Saturday night, I might consider wandering into the Sagamore Sunday morning with generic tickets to see what PFS game I can sneak into. And despite being a 4 star GM, I don't like spending my vacations "working", so I've never GMed more than 4 sessions at Gen Con. This year, I won't be GMing at all.

For those who are complaining that you don't have anything to do in the evening when a special is going on for the game you don't play, I highly recommend trying True Dungeon. It doesn't matter if you Starfinder fans aren't a fan of the medieval fantasy/Pathfinder/D&D genre - the experience is worth it, anyway. Those tickets are expensive though, so if you don't want to spend that much, I'll recommend Upper Deck's Marvel Legendary deck building game that I've gotten into lately. You can get into a beginner/intro game of that for only $4.

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Akeela Valerian, the Wolf wrote:
Yeah, it'a a pretty big bummer to have ZERO offerings from the flagship game on the last night of the con. It's not very fun to be force fed Starfinder as the only Paizo offering that night. Especially two years in a row. My two cents.

It's a pretty big bummer to have ZERO offerings from one of the games on two nights of the con. It's not very fun to be force fed Pathfinder as the only Paizo offering that night. Especially two years in a row.

False equivalence. Pathfinder is the flagship product of the company, and makes up a large majority of their business. Starfinder isn't.

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Do you know about the new Concordance faction? We finally have a nature themed faction, so lots of nature themed PCs are switching over.

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I'll be playing the Friday night special, and the palindrome numbered PFS scenario (10-01) on Thursday afternoon. That's it for me in the Sagamore this year.

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That's unfortunate. I only played the adventure, so I never bought and downloaded it. I was hoping that information would be there.

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What's the name of the grippli tribe in this? I'm using this for the back story of my grippli ranger. He was away on a hunting trip and returned to find his tribe dead, and a group of Pathfinders cleaning up, so he went to Absalom with them.

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supervillan wrote:

Having played parts A and B now, I can't help but feel this would have been better as a module, or as two linked scenarios (Solstice Scar Part 1 and Part 2).

The story is shaping up nicely, but I'd rather that the multi-table specials be unique. I don't enjoy the repetition.

Agreed. I'm skipping this one at Gen Con this year, because I'm just not interested. I'll play the final version to see how it all ends, assuming I have the chance.

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Well, that's interesting. I'm finally seeing one of the sessions I played at Gen Con last year (of 4 total played and GMed) showing up on my list. Like Wallbanger, it's a session I played of 9-00, and the event says "Pathfinder Society at Gen Con 2016". My other 3 sessions are still missing.

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I'll be with some friends at Gen Con who used to play RPGs regularly years (decades) ago, but mostly just play 1 or 2 games per year at Gen Con these days. They've done Pathfinder with pregens at past Gen Cons and enjoyed it. From playing with them, I know that they just want to roll some dice and bash some monsters, so they're not overly concerned with skills or plot. Any recommendations for which scenarios they'd most enjoy at Gen Con this year?

I was thinking From the Tome of the Righteous Repose should be a good dungeon crawl for them, where we can go bash some beasties. I've played and GMed it already, but it's replayable, so we're good.

What else is on this year's Gen Con schedule that's relatively combat heavy? It doesn't have to necessarily avoid skills and a plot (Pathfinder adventures never do), but I know they'll want lots of combat.

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