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After GM describes the forest we're searching as getting weirdly colorful, as we seem to be getting closer to a wild magic portal that we knew we were looking for.
Cleric player: Either we're getting close to the portal or Willy Wonka's factory.
Rogue player: Starts singing Oompa Loompa song
Me: Willy Wonka's big secret: Oompa Loompas are actually Pathfinder gnomes.

Rogue player: *singing* Do you see what I see?
Cleric player: *very matter of factly* No I don't. My perception is lower.

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Given that she'd already personally fought Xykon before that, you'd think she'd already have been keeping track of him by then.

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So, wait. That means Serini didn't know that Xykon had already beaten Durokan before the Order of the Stick arrived in his dungeon. I thought she was more on top of things than that.

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Chekhov's Gun has been loaded with 6 bullets. Time for some Russian Roulette.

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When was it mentioned that Monster-San is dominated? I thought he went along with Team Evil pretty much willingly, due to ignorance and not realizing there were other options.

Even if he is dominated, he will get another will save if ordered to do something completely against his nature. And these days, attacking O-Chul would certainly quality. Probably not true of the rest of the team.

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I think this confirms that Monster-San has officially gone full undercover good guy. It's a good thing Mr. Stiffly is there with the good guys, as I really don't think that convincing him to switch sides and actively fight against Team Evil in the final fight won't be a challenge.

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Wow. That's just... Wow!!!

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Nobody on Team Evil has a Sense Motive to speak of. Except maybe Monster-San, who seems to finally be growing an int score.

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"Normally, yes, carelessness would be the most probable explanation for this. Or literally anything that happens to, near, or because of us."

LOL

Red Cloak proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he has the highest wisdom on team evil.

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Not a fan of the cockroach speech balloons.

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The Raven Black wrote:
I hope everyone noticed the drawings. Not sure about the dragon, but that sure is the Snarl.

Of course it's the Snarl. What else would you draw with crayons?

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Mental Block

That might just be the greatest "last panel" gag Rich has ever included.

Yet, oddly, the more I think about it, the more I think Roy is wrong to be upset.

Spoiler:
The bad guys just split the party, by letting Xykon out by himself. This is the perfect time for the ambush Roy was hoping to execute.

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John Woodford wrote:

No one with good in their alignment can resist the awesome power of eleven* puppy-dog eyes!

*Thirteen, if you count Elan.

Actually, no. The 11 already included Elan. Beholders have 8 eye stalks, on top of the central eye.

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Eye to Eye

And once again, O-Chul is the perfect paladin.

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We were talking about a minor detail in the campaign that two of us didn't remember from an earlier session.

Human player: "You must have been drunk at the time."

Me (elf player): "I guess us elves and half-elves just can't hold our liquor."

Half-elf player: "We were black out drunk, I guess. We woke up and lost a few hours."

Me: "It's that elven constitution penalty. But what's the use of being immune to sleep if we can still get drunk and black out?"

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Gritty Realism
Elan helped. :)

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TriOmegaZero wrote:
1239: Saur Loser

I knew that dinosaur would be back eventually!

...

Oh.

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So Roy and Durkon realized that they've treated the goblins badly, and never really thought to question why Redcloak and the goblins were doing what they're doing. And this has brought me to a major realization, too.

Belkar was right.

I mean WAY back. At the first mention of a plot back in OOTS #13:
Plot, Ahoy!

"I just figured we'd wander around, kill some sentient beings because they have green skin and fangs and we don't, and then take their stuff."

Apparently, he was right.

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And this came up again recently in one of my games. I was playing my grippli in a PFS game, and there was a nagaji PC, so it was joked that we reptiles need to stick together. But I said I'd guess gripplies are amphibians, not reptiles. And the discussion led to whether or not they have a tadpole stage.

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Concerning Thoughts

So we already knew that Durkon was more lawful than Thor. Now it turns out, he might be more good, as well.

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I love that Thor has a special ring tone for Durkon. That's a nice touch.

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Phillip Gastone wrote:
The narrative requires it.

Elan would certainly agree with you.

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Still, that was the most Durkon possible thing to say.

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Celestial Healer wrote:
The last few panels were among the funniest I have seen in a while. Clerics are indeed the worst.

Yeah, I don't know why I found that SO funny, especially in combination with the title, but I cracked up laughing at that ending. I thought maybe I was just over-tired. I tend to get silly when I'm tired.

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Vidmaster7 wrote:
You know if only someone had suggested maybe even ordered Durkon not to go and speak to that goblin cleric beforehand.

He didn't order him not to go. He ordered him not to use Sending.

And I figure the rest of the Order will show up any strip now. It didn't take them long to realize Durkon was missing.

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So... what paladin is Redcloak expecting? He knows who the members of the Order are. Why is he expecting a paladin?

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"Words are just pretty hat we put on ugly truths."

Greyview is STILL the best character in the comic.

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Andostre wrote:
The comic continues with predictable (but still fun) results.

That doesn't make a whole lot of sense, to be honest.

Spoiler:
Why does Minrah have good enough stealth to pull that off? Why is Implosion taking so long to kill him, when it should be instantaneous?

Maybe I'm over-analyzing, but this was kinda disappointing.

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Thomas Seitz wrote:

All I know is Redcloak could have just cast Miracle and asked his god what he thought. :P

But that's just me.

If he has that spell prepared. Remember, he's adventuring every night behind those doors, so having a spell that can "save or die" up to 4 targets with a saving throw based on being a level 9 spell is a pretty good prepped spell for him.

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Compromised

Spoiler:
I looked up the spell, since I wasn't familiar with it. It's a level 9 fort save or die.

I see two possibilities:

1. Durkon has to make the saving throw or die.
2. This is exactly what Thor wanted. Red Cloak just gave him the energy of a 9th level spell from the Dark One, just like Thor asked for. That might not be what Red Cloak intended, but if Thor can step in to save Durkon and take that energy, then it's a win.

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So I haven't been doing nearly as much 1e PFS lately, and I'm pretty far behind the times these days. I'm trying to figure out how many replays I have available, and how to track them, so I can jump into a game that some friends are doing of an adventure I've already played.

Back before 2e, I used my GM stars to replay some adventures until I ran out of available replays. Then I used a boon to "recharge" the stars. Then I replayed another 3, so I still have 1 left based on stars. And I have another old boon to recharge them again. So that's 5 available replays, where I'm seriously considering saving the last 4 to play Eyes of the Ten with a 2nd character.

But I know there was also some sort of one time replay award given out around the time of the switch over to 2e. I just don't remember exactly what it was or how it works, and I haven't been around here much lately, so I don't really know where to look. Can someone refresh my memory?

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Phillip Gastone wrote:
Durkon is no doubt ready for a sudden but inevitable betrayal.

I'm guessing that's where Minrah comes in.

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Roy ordered him not to use Sending.

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Thomas Seitz wrote:

Our favorite half orc ninja! :)

Also I thought what was on Third.

No, What's on second.

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Helpful for counting, though
I love how the pets are full on members of the team. Even the cat. I'm convinced he's a full on animal companion these days, and he'll be truly useful in battle when the time comes.

And I'm still waiting for the day that V casts Dispel Magic on the lizard to turn it back into a t-rex.

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Thomas Seitz wrote:
Well if it is an alignment change it's more likely going from CE to CN. But i could be wrong.

I'm not so sure. He doesn't seem nearly as chaotic any more, either.

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Not Yet Seasoned
Once again, Belkar is trying something new.

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Another thing I'm realizing is that he's going more into the details of secondary team members than I would expect. It's almost as if he's setting up Minrah, Bandana, etc to be OOTS: The Next Generation when the current story ends.

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Spiritual Counseling

Given the title, I was expecting it to focus on Julia (somewhat posing as a spirit) giving Roy advice. This was interesting in a completely different way.

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Andostre wrote:
baron arem heshvaun wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:

Dragon,

I doubt it. Also while Julia is TN, I don't see her HELPING Team evil JUST yet.

Team Demon on the other hand...maybe.

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I don’t think that other invisible party was helping Team Evil as well.

Agreed, I think they're new players, or characters we haven't seen in a really long time.

I still think one of them is the halfling from the original party that discovered the Snarl decades ago.

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Did we ever determine whose eye this was? I've lost track. But my guess is that Serini is both the green eye scry and the green voice.

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Belkar... caring about the plot. The end really is nigh.

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Expendable Resources

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Thomas Seitz wrote:
As for Durkon, I'm sure playing with his kid takes up some time too.

Yup. The entire point of this interlude is that the rest of the team are killing time while waiting for the team clerics (note the plural) to say their goodbyes and gather their stuff.

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Durkon's busy elsewhere, and I can't imagine V getting drunk.

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I haven't read all 500+ posts in this thread to see if this has been addressed yet, but I have to ask: Why are these books so expensive?

136 pages for $37 (or $35 in the case of the next one, Lost Omen Character Guide) is nearly twice the price per page of what Paizo used to charge for hardcovers in 1st edition. Compare to 256 page books like Ultimate Combat or Advanced Race Guide, which are only $45 hardcover today, and I swear I remember them being only $40 when they were new.

And adventure paths used to be 100 pages for $20. I can understand that they need to raise prices once in a while, thus the 2e AP is now $25 per book, but it's still almost as many pages as this thing that sells for $37.

Whatever happened to monthly softcovers that were only $13-20? I don't have unlimited money to spend, so I pick and choose which books to buy based on content. I'm still on the fence about 2e, having only bought the Core Rulebook so far. But if every monthly book is going to be this stupidly expensive for so little content, then the books I pick and choose to buy aren't going to be from Paizo ever again.

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No. The GM was a toydarian, so he was immune.

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I didn't realize Minrah was a multi-class fighter. I thought she was just a low level cleric.

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Saros Palanthios wrote:
What part of "carry someone off the battlefield" is not clear? Who is naked on the battlefield...?

Here's the exact quote from the book:

Core Rulebook, page 272 wrote:
You might need to know the Bulk of a creature, especially if you need to carry someone off the battlefield. The table that follows lists the typical Bulk of a creature based on its size, but the GM might adjust this number.

It doesn't say that's the bulk of a creature and its gear. Just the bulk of the creature. The chart that follows has small creatures listed as 3 bulk. How can someone wearing 4 bulk full plate, a 1 bulk heavy shield, sheathed weapons that might add another 1 or 2 bulk, and a 2 bulk adventurer's kit in their backpack be only 3 bulk?

As for who's naked on the battlefield, how about an ogre in a loincloth (once it drops its club), or a dragon, or any wild animal, or any of various other monsters that don't typically wear armor or carry much gear?

Saros Palanthios wrote:
Ask yourself, what's more likely: that Paizo's whole team of professional designers, writers, and editors are a bunch of incompetent fools who created a system that makes no sense... or that you made a mistake in your reading?

You haven't been playing Pathfinder long, have you? I'm not saying that Paizo's staff are incompetent. But mistakes happen. Sometimes major ones. Nobody's perfect.

When Starfinder first came out, the entire spaceship combat system just plain didn't work at high levels, because they got the math wrong, so an errata was necessary. When coming out with a 640 page rulebook for a whole new version of Pathfinder, something like doing the math on a small creature riding a medium mount to make sure the encumbrance works is a relatively trivial detail that I could certainly see them overlooking.

Saros Palanthios wrote:

The table on pg 272 lists the "typical" bulk of a creature, then qualifies it with "but the GM might adjust this number". Both of your examples are obvious cases where the GM should apply an adjustment for atypical circumstances.

You're grasping for a hard-and-fast, one-size-fits-all rule, but that's not how this game works. The whole PF2 system is built around the twin ideas that
1)it's pointless to try to predict and make rules for every possible corner case or combination of circumstances, but
2)most GMs and players are reasonable and can be trusted to apply the rules in a way that makes sense in the context of their narrative.

Except that "GM discretion" has always been a code word in Pathfinder for "this doesn't apply to Pathfinder Society". In PFS, the table GM is just a judge for that particular session. Whenever a Pathfinder book says "Your GM might allow this", the GM for the entire campaign is the one who has to make those calls, and for PFS, that campaign GM is the Paizo employee who manages the entire organized play campaign.

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Just tossing in my 2 copper's worth to say that I agree with the last three posts.

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