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I'm thinking what would go well with Swashbuckler. Maybe some type of Sorcerer, but Battle Oracle is just such a powerhouse for gishes.
you know what might be fun? Ninja/Swashbuckler. Hello assassins creed.
I can't take credit for this because somebody else posted it in another thread, but a gunslinger 14/inquisitor 16/grand marshal 10 would be absolutely devastating.
I think if I ever do my "everybody's a gunslinger gestalt" western themed homebrew, a corrupt government official with this build will be the final boss.
yeah ryn had a good idea there.
Are you sure you can split the PrC and take it on both halves? That strikes me as strange.
I typically prefer versatility in gestalt to hyper-specialization. While sinking really deep into something can be tempting for the optimal scenarios, you end up just as hosed in situations that a regular character of your class would be weak to.
ex. for a Ninja/Swashbuckler, enemies that are immune to SA are also immune to Precise Strike, and in those scenarios you're left with very little.
that grand marshal combo does look pretty good- you could even take the conversion domain to make most of the required skills into class skills.
i know i posted regarding your EaGG homebrew before but i don't think i mentioned a spellslinger... just spellslinger/myrmidarch would be a pretty solid combo, but if EK is an option (i know its not in many/most campaigns) you could do spellslinger/gunslinger 1st-5th; EK/myrmidarch 6th-15th; spellslinger/gunslinger 16th-20th (end up with full BAB, CL 19 wiz, CL 10 magus with broad study for spell combat and ranged spellstrike with all your wiz spells). only downside is that wis for grit makes you a little more MAD...
i'm not entirely sure what got me on this but i was just wondering how many gestalt combinations there actually are in pathfinder... not counting ACG classes (mostly because my math skills are not up for the weirdness of having their gestalt options limited by their related base classes), i think there's 171 different pairings!
that seemed like a huge number and then i remembered there were >450 posts in this thread... that's almost 3 times more posts than there are combos, lol. i know that 3rd party classes, PrCs, and (especially) archetypes make the number of potential combos astronomically higher but it just seems funny to me that this thread has way more posts than there are base combos.
edit: while i'm here- what about fighter[viking]/OoV paladin... enough feats to sword&board effectively (which smite helps with, a lot) and the celestial totem (along with fey foundling) to really crank up your LoH (@6th you'd do 3d6+12).
Thats a new and fun combo, and too be fair about the thread size ive been issuing various challenges including allowing 3.5 content, picking a single class but get two overlapping archetype, must include a 3rd party class, etc.
Druid/Monk becomes pretty sick the instant you have Wild armor and a shield. Guess what you aren't wearing while wild shaped? Armor and a shield. Guess what stops monk abilities? Wearing armor or a shield.
Paladin/Sorcerer
Smite evil + blasting spells
Range touch attacks auto hit
Extra AC, great saves, aura's, ability to touch self for health
Downside: can't cast spells with [evil] descriptor.
Not sure if it was said before, but Sohei Monk (20?)//Weapon Master Fighter 3/Gunslinger 17. Flurry with firearms. The Monk side I'm just not sure what else to take, even though level 6 is as far as you technically need to take Monk.
Don't know if anyone said it but.
Barbarian/Scarred Witch Doctor.
A full Caster with 1d12 hit dice that uses CON to cast and can boost Hex Strength with Rage.
Why the weapon master fighter? Why soehi?
And as for the "what to do instead" try 4 levels of paladin (holy gun) 10 levels of champion of iori
Weapon Master Fighter, if you're building to 20 is less necessary but gets Weapon Training faster... Sohei specifically for the ability to flurry with any weapon with which you have weapon training.
Now that the Arcanist is coming out, this would be more easily doable without gestalt, but...
Universalist Wizard//Sage Sorcerer. All the arcane spells you could ever want, UMD as a class skill for the spells you want that aren't arcane (and with Pragmatic Activator it goes off Int instead of Cha) and the ability to cast any of them without changing the casting time or level of the spell once/day starting at 3rd level, then once more at 7th, 8th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 14th, 15th, 16th, 18th, 19th, and 20th.
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I would like to try Magus(Kensai) and Warpriest. Level 4 gives perfect strike meaning your focused weapon deals full damage every time you hit. Now i dont know much but full damage from 2d10s sounds sweet and stacking magic weapon enhancements. +5vorpal sword withouy spending a dime.
Half-Orc rogue (skulking slayer/scout) with either alchemist (Beastmorph) or barbarian with beast totem. Bludgeoneer feat makes your natural attacks non-lethal, sap adept/ master feats gives you double sneak attack damage. Scout's charge with pounce and you get flat-footed sneak attacks with all your natural weapons. The enforcer feat puts the fear in them. Dragon style lets you charge almost anywhere.
I played a Monk/Cleric (Travel domain) with a few levels of mythic. The d door ability at level 8 was going to lead into the dimensional agility feats...sadly the game ended before that...
How would you run/build a cleric/ranger? I've been all over the boards but can't find any suggestions. I have the chance to gestalt in an upcoming new campaign and the group has no skills monkeys or buffer/healers. It's 2 melee types, a blaster arcanist and a melee/ranger switch hitter.
How would you run/build a cleric/ranger? I've been all over the boards but can't find any suggestions. I have the chance to gestalt in an upcoming new campaign and the group has no skills monkeys or buffer/healers. It's 2 melee types, a blaster arcanist and a melee/ranger switch hitter.
If they already have a Melee/ranger then why not try an Inquistor/monk (zen archer)?
Sorry DS; what I meant was a guy that switches between ranged and melee as a Fighter 2.
I would still recommend inquisitor over ranger but that is just my tendency to not double up on classes. Does the other ranger have an animal companion? Maybe focus on the other ranger ability (granting actions). Buff with the cleric and then give everybody an extra action. I think the glory domain (or heroism, I really should look at my books before giving advice) allows some swift action buffs. Combine with a high Dex to give everybody an action before their actions.
Just reread hunter's bond. It's terrible. Ignore everything I said.
soooo, to bring back an old challenge. What gestalt would you want to play if you had to take the WORST of any overlapping abilities.
Oracle/Sorcerer.
Low BaB, d6 hd, 2 skills a level.
But tons of spells.
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samurai/fighter will be ok i think.
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soooo, to bring back an old challenge. What gestalt would you want to play if you had to take the WORST of any overlapping abilities.
Witch/Wizard
Cackle, cackle, cackle
Ooh. War Priest//Druid
War Priest can take fighter feats so versatile training (feral combat training) can be used to apply the War Priest's weapon boosting to all natural attacks. The druid loses a couple skills by intersection gestalting with a 2+int class, but everything else matches and it gets pseudo-full BAB off a War Priest class feature.
excellent choice.
ok new challenge, one of the classes must use an archetype from inner sea combat.
put me down for ioran paladin/oracle. now laugh at the monk/anything next to you.
Kensei and that duelist fighter archetype could work.
I'm guessing people have already suggested this, but...
Barbarian/summoner, probably a half-elf.
This brings RAGELANCEPOUNCE to a whole new level.
I'm guessing people have already suggested this, but...
Barbarian/summoner, probably a half-elf.
This brings RAGELANCEPOUNCE to a whole new level.
oh yes, thats a popular one, it definitely has appeared a few times in various forms.
Now back to the challenge, nobody saw an archetype in inner sea combat they would love to gestalt?
Gestalt was always problematic for me. I would probably go with something like Cave Druid 16/ Barbarian 2/ Unbreakable 2 on one side of the gestalt and Empyreal Sorcerer 4/ Cleric 1/ Mystic Theurge 10/ Empyreal Sorcerer 4/ Sohei 1 on the other side to cover all my bases. If I couldn't multiclass I suppose I would have to go Cleric/ Druid, Sorcerer/ Oracle or Wizard/ Witch because 2 sets of full casting off the same stat means you can nova all day.
@christos- i'm guessing the lack of response is probably related to noy many people being very familiar with inner sea combat (i know i personally have no idea what archetypes are in it).
@wolfe01- kitsune are better off dual wielding... their Str penalty is rough for 2hander builds but their dex bonus makes 2WF easier to get (and 2WF potentially doubles the benefit of sneak attack). fighters get tons of feats so the cost isn't bad for them.
@greg- double caster sounds awesome but (having played two- a sorc/oracle, and a witch/sage sorcerer) they tend not to work out as well... i'm sure that at really high levels they'd be nuts but working through low to mid levels can be rough- they're resource management is obviously easier but they retain most of the frailties/shortcomings of their parent classes and don't gain many options. IMHO, you're better off supplementing a full caster with a hybrid or melee class to shore up their weaknesses and give them viable options when casting isn't great (like against high SR enemies). empyreal sorc/monk and wizard/kensai magus are both good combos... any full caster/ranger ends up with full BAB, all good saves, lots of skills, and free combat feats (including things like point blank and precise shot, which apply to rays as well as bows...)- at high levels you won't be able to nova quite as often, or make quite as much use of quicken spell, but your chances of getting to those levels will be a lot better (and you'll have a better rounded, more flexible character).
Having never run a gestalt game let me ask you those of you that have, is it a nightmare to run? I feel like it could be. I like the idea of it but I would imagine you'd have to throw some really powerful enemies at your players to make it work.
Having never run a gestalt game let me ask you those of you that have, is it a nightmare to run? I feel like it could be. I like the idea of it but I would imagine you'd have to throw some really powerful enemies at your players to make it work.
one thing to be aware of is that gestalt (like any optional rules to increase power) will widen the gap between optimized and non-optimized characters. so, if you have 1-2 players who are good at building effective characters and 1-2 that aren't, that difference will be more obvious in a gestalt game (unless you help them).
in terms of challenging a gestalt party, as others have said you can't go too nuts because the players still have the normal number of actions/round. most characters will have more survivability (more hp and better saves) and resources won't be as stretched (many/most will have mundane combat options, and some casters will have extra spells)- so the biggest difference may be that you can get away with a lot more encounters/day than a standard campaign. if you're party is well optimized (and has someone who can handle status removal and healing) you can pretty regularly fight CRs at APL +3-4; if they're not optimizers raising CRs by 1-2 may be enough (but you will still probably want 1-2 more encounters per day if you want them to feel challenged).
hope that's helpful.
good advice passed around here about gestalt. ok i got a better challenge, since i got my physical copy of ultimate psionics today how about we go with
one class in the gestalt must be a psionic class of some sort, ill start with a duergar sleeper's guardian/Enlightened monk, which is so sexy with that wisdom synergy on a martial.
Maenad disciple of the raging sea/urban barbarian looks like a great way to nova some damage with their stacking bonuses. Also lots of rage powers on that one.