Pathfinder Core Rulebook

My order shipped so soon I will have it in hand. :)

I don't suppose the folk at Paizo could send out an addendum e-mail to customers who pre-ordered letting them know that the PDFs will be released in August? Though I suppose it's a moot point asking now as it's a Saturday and no one will see this request.

The initial PDFs for the PF2 products will apparently be a one-page copy of the e-mail. In that case, you would know that the real PDFs are out when they show a last updated date of 1 August and a much greater file size.

The initial PDFs for the PF2 products will apparently be a one-page copy of the e-mail. In that case, you would know that the real PDFs are out when they show a last updated date of 1 August and a much greater file size.

I don't know where you are getting this information, but I can tell you from my own experience that the shipping email says nothing about delayed PDFs, the product page here claims that the PDF is waiting in the downloads section, but that there just is none. I have not received any information about the delayed unlock of the PDFs in any way, even though I am following the blog posts. The only thing I found was a post by some paizo official buried in the forums somewhere.

If I missed anything, please point me in the right direction.

David knott 242 wrote:

The initial PDFs for the PF2 products will apparently be a one-page copy of the e-mail. In that case, you would know that the real PDFs are out when they show a last updated date of 1 August and a much greater file size.

I don't know where you are getting this information, but I can tell you from my own experience that the shipping email says nothing about delayed PDFs, the product page here claims that the PDF is waiting in the downloads section, but that there just is none. I have not received any information about the delayed unlock of the PDFs in any way, even though I am following the blog posts. The only thing I found was a post by some paizo official buried in the forums somewhere.

If I missed anything, please point me in the right direction.

From this stickied thread in the Customer Service section.

That said, the implementation has not been as stated. As you say, there is no placeholder PDF, just no PDF listed. I don't know if this is a technical glitch or if the placeholders just weren't ready for the beginning of the shipping window. Perhaps we'll get more information on Monday, when people are back in the office.

EDIT: Oh, hey, if you scroll all the way to the bottom of your Digital Content page, there is this:

The following five products have been added to your account, but are not currently available for download:

Pathfinder Bestiary PDF
Pathfinder Flip-Mat: The Fall of Plaguestone PDF
Pathfinder Adventure: The Fall of Plaguestone PDF
Pathfinder Adventure Path: Hellknight Hill (Age of Ashes 1 of 6) PDF
Pathfinder Core Rulebook PDF

Which can be a lot of scrolling, if you have a lot of PDFs. Still no placeholder, as was foretold*, however.

Thank you for pointing that out! I take everything back: it's not poorly communicated, just a bit hard to find.

Zenren wrote:

I've bought every hardcover book available for Pathfinder, by far my favorite game. This money grab for a second addition hasn't excited me like it has others. I will most likely end my collection at 1st edition and migrate over to Dungeons and Dragons. It was fun while it lasted and I'll still play the 1st edition, but I can't see spending another $1000 or so on another edition to rehash so much of the same stuff, just with "simpler" rules. My generation isn't the target audience anymore I guess.

So, you'll migrate to D&D 5e and spend another 1000 USD on another edition to rehash so much of the same stuff, just with "simpler" rules? :)

I have to agree with the Good Ol' Bagsy here, although in a slightly less confrontational tone. I just don't get why people blame Paizo for 2E being a "money grab" or claiming Paizo has "betrayed their fans".

I, too, have purchased all the Pathfinder hardcovers and almost half of the softcovers plus an insane amount of maps, flip-tiles, miniatures, pawns and whatnot. I've enjoyed 1E immensely, probably more than any other RPG system I've ever tried, but 10 years is a very, very long run for an edition of any game. And I think Jason mentioned years ago that there was a lot of things he would have originally changed in 1E, if it hadn't been for backwards compatibility.

Funnily enough, I haven't yet seen (apart from the new action economy) that 2E would be a simpler game than 1E; the book is thicker than ever and just to give an example there seems to be more conditions, more spells, more feats, more activities etcetera. It may be smoother to run and play once you get it, but I'm an old warhorse who is heavily invested in 1E and kind of still on the fence.

Regardless of whether I'll end up running or playing 2E, I'm excited to see how it turns out. Maybe I'll buy the books, or maybe I won't. That has no bearing on how much I just *LOVE* the flip-tiles or Pathfinder minis, and I'm certain I'll also buy 2E adventures just as I've purchased 5E adventures occasionally.

My order shipped so soon I will have it in hand. :)

Likewise!

Of course, it figures the one time I get early shipping, Paizo isn't doing early PDFs. Oh well.

I am up to date on the pdfs, so I was suprised when my email told me the pdfs were downloadable. They weren't of course, but that doesn't bother me. The bigger confusion is that the email says my package has shipped, yet also says that it will ship before the 2nd.

I am up to date on the pdfs, so I was suprised when my email told me the pdfs were downloadable. They weren't of course, but that doesn't bother me. The bigger confusion is that the email says my package has shipped, yet also says that it will ship before the 2nd.

Is your order trackable? If so, you may want to click on that link to see where your package is. In the past, I have sometimes noticed enough of a delay in them leaving Washington state to suspect that they were waiting on a loading dock to be picked up for several days.

But I am suspecting progress now that both of my shipments have gone from listing a number range of days until they ship to "Not yet shipped". Maybe they will both be on their way this week!

Is your order trackable? If so, you may want to click on that link to see where your package is. In the past, I have sometimes noticed enough of a delay in them leaving Washington state to suspect that they were waiting on a loading dock to be picked up for several days.

Nothing Trackable yet, it just has the "May take up to 48 hours to show up" on the tracking, I will probably check in tomorrow night."

I am up to date on the pdfs, so I was suprised when my email told me the pdfs were downloadable. They weren't of course, but that doesn't bother me. The bigger confusion is that the email says my package has shipped, yet also says that it will ship before the 2nd.

The email generates when the labels for your box(es) are printed. Usually this means it will be going out that day or the next, but sometimes things happen, so they put the end of their shipping period as the deadline for it to actually happen

I got my message on Saturday, still not trackable yet. Hopefully soon.

I got my message on Saturday, still not trackable yet. Hopefully soon.

I got the email that it shipped on Saturday too, still can't track it yet though. Really eager to see when they'll be arriving.

Brew Bird wrote:

I got my message on Saturday, still not trackable yet. Hopefully soon.

I got the email that it shipped on Saturday too, still can't track it yet though. Really eager to see when they'll be arriving.

I also got my shipping email on Saturday and my package was trackable as of this morning.

Copies from paizo.com have been shipping out to folks with our July New Release shipping. We've expanded the window a bit for this release to try to get preordered and subscriber copies shipped in time for the launch. I know people are very excited to see these books and I’d like to quick remind folks to be respectful when posting about getting your copy earlier than others, and when asking people if they can share info from copies folks have already received.

Posting snippets and discussing them is fine. Typing up really long chunks of text or taking pictures of every page is excessive. We want people to have fun and be excited, but we also want to be respectful of folks who own or support FLGSs, or plan to pick up their copies at Gen Con and do not have the potential for getting a copy early.

And remember if you see something you want to take a deep, game theory debate approach to talking about, go ahead and start a new thread to tackle that rather than getting into a super specific discussion in the product thread. Thanks!

Everrick158 wrote:

Brew Bird wrote:

I got my message on Saturday, still not trackable yet. Hopefully soon.

I got the email that it shipped on Saturday too, still can't track it yet though. Really eager to see when they'll be arriving.

I also got my shipping email on Saturday and my package was trackable as of this morning.

How far has it moved? :D Asking for a friend...

I can track my package, so far it's made it from one part of Washington to another part of Washington. Meanwhile I'm over here in New Hampshire like ..."Why must you taunt me so?"

Yea, but you got your ship email, many of us haven't yet.

Hey Paizo, Saturday 20 July is my birthday, as a present, can you ship mine then.

Pleeeeaaasseee !!! Pretty please! Pretty please with ice cream on top.

-- david

My subs are deep cover, no tracking allowed.

Woohoo! Mine just cleared customs. :) Maybe I'll get it two weeks early - that'll be a record for me!

Woohoo! Mine just cleared customs. :) Maybe I'll get it two weeks early - that'll be a record for me!

Wow that's pretty sweet to ozzie! I've had to delay mine until the next round of subs, as without the delayed lost omens book I didn't qualify for the 15% off. Then it's got to make it to NZ :)

At least the archives will have stuff to peruse

Woohoo! Mine just cleared customs. :) Maybe I'll get it two weeks early - that'll be a record for me!

You should, given what you paid for shipping.

I'm curious to know why/how the Amazon price for this and other books are 20%-35% discounted.

I want to support Paizo the best way I can, but saving that much will allow me to purchase more books than I would have otherwise.

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Now I just need to find the time in my busy schedule to read the 1000+ pages of P2 content when it comes out.

I can track my package, so far it's made it from one part of Washington to another part of Washington. Meanwhile I'm over here in New Hampshire like ..."Why must you taunt me so?"

From Redmond, WA and then the next day to Fife, WA? Me too! Mine's been in Fife since Tuesday morning. When I've had trackable packages before from Paizo, they always seem to hang out in Fife for a few days. It's a magical place.

I'm curious to know why/how the Amazon price for this and other books are 20%-35% discounted.

Amazon sells at a loss, Paizo actually has to make a profit in order to pay all its employees and freelancers who make the thing being sold.

Note that if you're subscribed to the line you get a free PDF of the product as well.

I'm curious to know why/how the Amazon price for this and other books are 20%-35% discounted.

I want to support Paizo the best way I can, but saving that much will allow me to purchase more books than I would have otherwise.

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Now I just need to find the time in my busy schedule to read the 1000+ pages of P2 content when it comes out.

Amazon functions as a wholesaler here. They are selling at or near the distributor price. This is versus a brick and mortar store that has to pay the distributor, employees, rent, etc. Paizo sells at the list price because they need the books to sell at the FLGS. If I own an FLGS, why would I stick my neck out to purchase a book from the distributor and take up valuable shelf space just so that Paizo can come along and sell the same book for 20% less AND throw in a free PDF on top of that?

TLDR; Amazon shouldn't be compared to anything b/c they are not the same as Paizo or FLGS; Paizo doesn't want to kneecap their partners by undercutting their own market.

Yea, but you got your ship email, many of us haven't yet.

Hey Paizo, Saturday 20 July is my birthday, as a present, can you ship mine then.

Pleeeeaaasseee !!! Pretty please! Pretty please with ice cream on top.

-- david

Woohoo!! Just got the ship email. Thank you for the earlier birthday present!!!

-- david

I'm curious to know why/how the Amazon price for this and other books are 20%-35% discounted.

I want to support Paizo the best way I can, but saving that much will allow me to purchase more books than I would have otherwise.

....
Now I just need to find the time in my busy schedule to read the 1000+ pages of P2 content when it comes out.

Amazon does typically come in a lot cheaper however its worth noting that specifically for Paizo books they are usually not available to well after the street date in most cases as they get them from a distributor and not Paizo directly.

Squeakmaan wrote:

I can track my package, so far it's made it from one part of Washington to another part of Washington. Meanwhile I'm over here in New Hampshire like ..."Why must you taunt me so?"

From Redmond, WA and then the next day to Fife, WA? Me too! Mine's been in Fife since Tuesday morning. When I've had trackable packages before from Paizo, they always seem to hang out in Fife for a few days. It's a magical place.

Mine is in Fife too! Which is just barely an hour south of me. It's killing me, it's just sitting there forever, I wish I could just go pick it up myself at this rate, lol.

I think I'm checking my e-mail 1,000 times a day waiting for a shipping notice. I might be a little excited.

My package is now in Arizona. I could have it by the weekend if I'm lucky.

Squeakmaan wrote:

I can track my package, so far it's made it from one part of Washington to another part of Washington. Meanwhile I'm over here in New Hampshire like ..."Why must you taunt me so?"

From Redmond, WA and then the next day to Fife, WA? Me too! Mine's been in Fife since Tuesday morning. When I've had trackable packages before from Paizo, they always seem to hang out in Fife for a few days. It's a magical place.

If past experience is a guide, my package will hang out in Fife over the weekend, at some point next week zoom across the country to my town, then sit here locally over another weekend before showing up Monday or Tuesday. Ah, Mail Innovations, there's a reason you're so cheap.

Yay! Priority mail for the win!!

If past experience is a guide, my package will hang out in Fife over the weekend, at some point next week zoom across the country to my town, then sit here locally over another weekend before showing up Monday or Tuesday. Ah, Mail Innovations, there's a reason you're so cheap.

I like MI's FAQ.

Q. When will I receive my mail piece?

A. UPS Mail Innovations inducts your mail piece into the U.S. Postal Service within 48 hours of processing. The U.S. Postal Service will then deliver the mail piece within three to five days, on average.

That is BS!

I received my 2E Core Rulebook and Bestiary today. Gorgeous book and I can't wait to spend the weekend reading away!

Hey, so I've been waiting for my shipping notice, and I haven't got it. I made the preorder on June 21st, and on the Paizo Order History list, it says the order is Pending.

I received my 2E Core Rulebook and Bestiary today. Gorgeous book and I can't wait to spend the weekend reading away!

Lucky! My deluxe books say they'll be here tomorrow. Just another reason I love living in Washington!

I am so excited to start reading and theory crafting.

I've got my tracking info, but it's been stuck on "transferred to destination MI facility" since Tuesday. Hopefully it's just taking its time getting here.

Hey, so I've been waiting for my shipping notice, and I haven't got it. I made the preorder on June 21st, and on the Paizo Order History list, it says the order is Pending.

The Shipping window is July 8th - August 2nd, so there's another two weeks before you should start worrying about it being late.

Four parcels have arrived in town for me. Whatever could they be?

:D

I've got my tracking info, but it's been stuck on "transferred to destination MI facility" since Tuesday. Hopefully it's just taking its time getting here.

Your not alone. I see this a lot with my subscriptions. They aren't super awesome about updating that. I have seen it sit like that for several days then suddenly its almost arrived.

^^ This.

Back before my wife and I retired and I had a lot of subscriptions, I would see the package leave Paizo, get one update that it was en-route to NY and no updates till it shows up at my door, then all the updates come thru.

Don't worry about UPS-MI updates.

-- david

meanwhile i'm sitting here twiddling my thumbs til i can download the pdfs since I couldn't stomach the cost of shipping it across the ocean. I'm so freaking jealousssss!

Mine is now a state away. I probably will see it tomorrow. :)

Which means a lot of squinting and using reading glasses (which tend to make me feel nauseous) to read them until the PDFs are released and I can enlarge fonts to my heart's contentment. ^^;;

Ah well. Getting old sucks. The alternative is worse though.

^^ This.

Back before my wife and I retired and I had a lot of subscriptions, I would see the package leave Paizo, get one update that it was en-route to NY and no updates till it shows up at my door, then all the updates come thru.

Don't worry about UPS-MI updates.

-- david

That makes me feel better, at least about the package arriving safely. More than a little irritated with UPS's apparent misunderstanding of how "tracking" is supposed to work, but I suppose I can't complain too much with how little shipping cost me.

I really like my books, very nice quality. I am going to be whipping up a three man party to run through some tests (Goblin Fire Sorcerer, Half-Orc Cleric of Gorum, and Human Rogue) and then run some for a friend (Bard, Barbarian, Druid)

Everyone else has had their books for a week, and mine haven't even shipped yet. I guess I can't get upset, since official release date is Aug 1st. I'll just listen to everyone else talk about how cool it is for the next 10 or 11 days.

Everyone else has had their books for a week, and mine haven't even shipped yet. I guess I can't get upset, since official release date is Aug 1st. I'll just listen to everyone else talk about how cool it is for the next 10 or 11 days.

Only a few people have their books, it's really just luck of the draw. According to UPS, mine has been sitting in Fife, WA for SIX DAYS. It's cruel the way they gave me hope a week ago.

@Phaedre - Is it sitting in Fife, or does it say "Package transferred to dest MI facility" like mine currently does, which means that it has left Fife, but has not been received at the UPS-MI facility near where you live to be injected into the USPS system.

-- david