Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Mythic Realms (PFRPG)

Geb is not. Ahriman is.

Also:

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Oops, I didn't notice that the kaiju comment was addressed to the Star Titan, not Ahriman. Sorry xD

My question about size for the guy was not meant for Ahriman.

I cannot wait til I have this book in my hands!

I'm really glad that I got this one. The details on the Black Desert and Mordant Spire make them look like they will be perfect for my Mythic extension of Serpent's Skull. :D

Kaiju are mythic and CR 26+? Eh... not too excited to hear that. Compared to everything else at that CR, Kaiju seem kind of, well, tame.

Man, everytime I think I'm getting a good grasp of Golarion as a setting, you guys start going on and on about stuff I've never heard of. Guess I'm glad I ordered this book if for no other reason to learn what the heck the "Black Desert" is. :P

(Also: I'm glad I ordered it because you all are also making it sound really, really awesome.)

Kaiju are mythic and CR 26+? Eh... not too excited to hear that. Compared to everything else at that CR, Kaiju seem kind of, well, tame.

Would they seem less tame if they were at a lower CR? Doesn't a higher CR make them more impressive?

Oh, can anybody expound on some details about how the Doorway to the Red Star is a mythic fount of power, and the abilities that it grants to users?

Seeing as how using the starstone means you need a divine sponsor I have been thinking of who sponsored who.

Aroden: Unknown maybe didn't have one.
Iomaedae: Aroden
Cayden Cailien: Calistra?
Norgorber: unknown, he stole that knowledge.

Mechalibur wrote:

Kaiju are mythic and CR 26+? Eh... not too excited to hear that. Compared to everything else at that CR, Kaiju seem kind of, well, tame.

Would they seem less tame if they were at a lower CR? Doesn't a higher CR make them more impressive?

That's not exactly what I mean (not that I was being clear of course :P)

I think that the greatest threats to mythic PCs should be history rich villains like the Whispering Tyrant and the Runelords of Thassilon. Or maybe strange and mysterious monstrosities from other worlds or the Dark Tapestry. Or fighting demon lords on realms of their own creation, who try and use their insidious cults at every opportunity to spread evil and chaos. Not Kaiju, which are, from what I understand, really big monsters in the jungles of Tian Xia. They just seem so much less... epic, I guess? I mean, it mostly comes down to personal preference, but I never really thought of them as very interesting.

Of course, if anyone could change my mind on that, it's Paizo.

Geb is not. Ahriman is.

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Ha - glad you enjoyed!

Hey just caught a typo in the Cenotaph entry. It has Zutha listed as the runelord of sloth instead of gluttony.

Ha - glad you enjoyed!

He's definitely sparked some ideas and questions. :)

Mechalibur, once you actually see Agmazar's stats... well, kaiju might not be suitable for the Big Bad of a campaign, but judging by this one's stats, they're good for ridiculously epic fights. Not just by sheer power, but for variety and over-the-top weirdness. "It can do WHAT?!"

Jason Nelson wrote:

Ha - glad you enjoyed!

He's definitely sparked some ideas and questions. :)

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Ehh what it really makes me wonder is when we will get stats for King Mogara. Please be in b4, I don't want to wait for this one.

I just hope King Mogara is more of a Godzilla wannabe then a King Kong one.

1st Tier
Akitonian Physiology- reshape your appearance to the alien species of akiton and permanently gaing the benefits of one of these alchemist discoveries: chameleon, preserve organs, tumor familiar, or vestigial arms. can be taken multiple times, every time you take it after the first you loose one mythis ability point and gain a cumulative -1 on cha checks/cha skill checks with animals, fey, and humanoids.

3rd tier
Telepathic Mindlink
spend one mythic point for sending or telepathic bond spells.

Waters of Contemplation
Spend a mythic point to turn a potion into any Alchemical concoction that increases mental stat(s) at the lost of physical one(s).

King Mogara is a Golarion-specific creature and likely wouldn't appear in Bestiary 4.

For a lot of people that was excited about the Oliphaunt, it seems like no one cares anymore, lol.

I would like to know his special abilities and how big the monster apparently is.

Tar Baphanon pulled a Xanatos Gambit. Cool :-)

And for Mikaze, there's stuff to redeem too.

I too would love to know more about the Oliphaunt but I also don't want to encourage too much to be given away in the product thread.

Just knowing it's size would be fine by me. Both fluff-wise and how they handle it in actual crunch-terms.

I too would love to know more about the Oliphaunt but I also don't want to encourage too much to be given away in the product thread.

Just knowing it's size would be fine by me. Both fluff-wise and how they handle it in actual crunch-terms.

Crunch terms? As in that it has an 80-ft. space?

I'd just like to say that I'm thoroughly enjoying this book, though I am afraid it will be quite some time before I can actually use any of the material in one of my games. I especially found the information on the Star Towers interesting.

Also Pg 33 the last line of the section on Bos-Phargrumm, the collective noun for polar bears is an aurora, unless of course Jarl Thimroth is hosting some rather interesting parties....

The Block Knight wrote:

I too would love to know more about the Oliphaunt but I also don't want to encourage too much to be given away in the product thread.

Just knowing it's size would be fine by me. Both fluff-wise and how they handle it in actual crunch-terms.

Crunch terms? As in that it has an 80-ft. space?

More like if it has any special abilities such as "Massive" or some such, like whatever it is Kaiju are getting, to represent it's greater size with additional mechanics.

Mechalibur, once you actually see Agmazar's stats... well, kaiju might not be suitable for the Big Bad of a campaign, but judging by this one's stats, they're good for ridiculously epic fights. Not just by sheer power, but for variety and over-the-top weirdness. "It can do WHAT?!"

Wait, Agmazar is a kaiju? Huh, it didn't sound like one from the description. I thought they were just giant monsters in the Tian Xia jungles.

Okay, what exactly is a kaiju in the context of Golarion?

To be fair, Agmazar is in the Tian Xia jungles.

Sauce987654321 wrote:

The Block Knight wrote:

I too would love to know more about the Oliphaunt but I also don't want to encourage too much to be given away in the product thread.

Just knowing it's size would be fine by me. Both fluff-wise and how they handle it in actual crunch-terms.

Crunch terms? As in that it has an 80-ft. space?

More like if it has any special abilities such as "Massive" or some such, like whatever it is Kaiju are getting, to represent it's greater size with additional mechanics.

It does have the kaiju's "massive" ability, which would explain the fact that while it's codified as colossal, it's actually much larger than the basic rules would indicate by that term.

However, we'll have to wait until Bestiary 4 to find out what "massive" actually means.

This is sounding like a must-have for me.

Evil Midnight Lurker wrote:

Mechalibur, once you actually see Agmazar's stats... well, kaiju might not be suitable for the Big Bad of a campaign, but judging by this one's stats, they're good for ridiculously epic fights. Not just by sheer power, but for variety and over-the-top weirdness. "It can do WHAT?!"

Wait, Agmazar is a kaiju? Huh, it didn't sound like one from the description. I thought they were just giant monsters in the Tian Xia jungles.

Okay, what exactly is a kaiju in the context of Golarion?

Well, Kaiju means "strange creature," so I would bet they are humongous monstrosities caused by magical, technological, or environmental catasrophe, or are otherwordly monsters, like the Daikaiju ("giant strange creatures") they are based on; Godzilla, Mothra, King Gidorah, Hedorah (the Smog Monster,) Anguirus, Rodan, etc.

Not just giant monsters, but giant monsters resulting from such a horrible warping of nature that they are almost Aberrations, or actually from other worlds entirely.

At least that's my take on what a proper Kaiju should be. Godzilla was nothing but ancient dinosaur remains at the bottom of the ocean until nuclear bombs and radiation warped him into the twisted gigantic monstrosity that destroyed large sections of Japan.

"History shows again and again how Nature points out the Folly of Man."

So then, what makes Agmazar a kaiju, and not, say, the Oliphaunt of Jandeley or the Tarrasque?

So then, what makes Agmazar a kaiju, and not, say, the Oliphaunt of Jandeley or the Tarrasque?

The Oliphaunt and Tarrasque lack the kaiju subtype, and are thus not kaiju. If you feel that they'd be better as kaiju, or that Agmazar would be better as a not-Kaiju, adding/removing the subtype is a simple matter, though doing so will clearly have other mechanical effects. In any case, a creature possessing or lacking a subtype has no direct effect on CR, so making such changes wouldn't really affect anything but the flavor and some of the specific special abilities of the creatures in question. One thing to bear in mind with creature types and subtypes is that they are largely just chassis upon which a monster is built, but many creatures could reasonably be multiple types and still work within their given concept.

Well, what is the space of Agmazar?

Was Zutha the Runelord of Sloth or Gluttony? The write-up for the Cenotaph says Sloth, while the write-up for Tar-Baphon says Gluttony?

He's the runelord of Gluttony.

Having only just perused this I'm a bit confused. I was under the impression that Zutha wasn't one of the Mythic Tier Runelords. How is it that a site which is rather canonically associated with him is a font of Mythic Power?

Whether the Cenotaph was a source of mythic power while Zutha was "alive" isn't defined either way in this book. What's clear is that it is now, and was when the Whispering Tyrant visited it as a mortal. The exact nature of what makes it a mythic font are still a mystery.

I thought King Mogara was going to be in the Bestiary 4?

Agmazar has 60ft space and 60ft reach.

Having only just perused this I'm a bit confused. I was under the impression that Zutha wasn't one of the Mythic Tier Runelords. How is it that a site which is rather canonically associated with him is a font of Mythic Power?

Almost as if we haven't yet fully revealed all that's going on there...

;-)

Mechalibur wrote:

So then, what makes Agmazar a kaiju, and not, say, the Oliphaunt of Jandeley or the Tarrasque?

The Oliphaunt and Tarrasque lack the kaiju subtype, and are thus not kaiju. If you feel that they'd be better as kaiju, or that Agmazar would be better as a not-Kaiju, adding/removing the subtype is a simple matter, though doing so will clearly have other mechanical effects. In any case, a creature possessing or lacking a subtype has no direct effect on CR, so making such changes wouldn't really affect anything but the flavor and some of the specific special abilities of the creatures in question. One thing to bear in mind with creature types and subtypes is that they are largely just chassis upon which a monster is built, but many creatures could reasonably be multiple types and still work within their given concept.

Right, but that's just being circular. I get that all the subtype mechanically signifies is what extra goodies the creature gets. What I'm curious about is what "kaiju" means. All I know right now is that a kaiju is a kaiju, whose subtype gives powerful abilities.

For the purposes of Pathfinder monsters:

"Kaiju" is a category of monster that can be multiple types, in the same way that "hag" is a category of monster that can be multiple types (such as outsider or monstrous humanoid).

The thing that ties kaiju together is that they're REALLY big monsters—bigger than most colossal monsters are—and that they share similar themes of destruction. Furthermore... all Pathfinder "kaiju" would look quite at home in a Godzilla movie. That means that most kaiju are also relatively unintelligent; they're not stupid, but they're not gonna be talking to people or using spells. They're also all very primal monsters—by which I mean that they're very much Material Plane monsters. And of course they all share several traits in common—kaiju traits.

The Tarrasque isn't a kaiju because he's too small and becauese he already belongs to another category of monsters: Spawn of Rovagug.

The oliphaunt isn't a kaiju because it's too magical in nature and isn't tied to the Material Plane.

Bestiary 4 has a page of introduction about them that goes into more detail—it's a bit weird that some of the monsters (the kaiju and the outer dragon) that show up in Mythic Realms are monsters from a book that's not yet out... but we decided to go for it anyway since in a few weeks or so that's not gonna matter anymore.

Tar Baphanon pulled a Xanatos Gambit. Cool :-)

And for Mikaze, there's stuff to redeem too.

And a Thanatos Gambit. :D

Re:Redemption hooks, are you referring to Arazni, the Court of Fallen Righteousness, or something else? (still trying to grab time to really dig into the new books!)

edit-nm, I just saw the "Kohal the Redeemed" mythic trial. :)

Thanks James. That was exactly what I was looking for.

This book makes me so happy that my group starts Shadows of Gallowspire next weekend!

Irnk, Dead-Eye's Prodigal wrote:

Having only just perused this I'm a bit confused. I was under the impression that Zutha wasn't one of the Mythic Tier Runelords. How is it that a site which is rather canonically associated with him is a font of Mythic Power?

Almost as if we haven't yet fully revealed all that's going on there...

;-)

Do you have plans for it in the near-future?

Define "near future"

Agmazar, the Star Titan. Undead undead-hunting kajiu from outer space 0.o

James Jacobs wrote:

Irnk, Dead-Eye's Prodigal wrote:

Having only just perused this I'm a bit confused. I was under the impression that Zutha wasn't one of the Mythic Tier Runelords. How is it that a site which is rather canonically associated with him is a font of Mythic Power?

Almost as if we haven't yet fully revealed all that's going on there...

;-)

Do you have plans for it in the near-future?

Nope. Not yet.

Sauce987654321 wrote:

The Block Knight wrote:

I too would love to know more about the Oliphaunt but I also don't want to encourage too much to be given away in the product thread.

Just knowing it's size would be fine by me. Both fluff-wise and how they handle it in actual crunch-terms.

Crunch terms? As in that it has an 80-ft. space?

More like if it has any special abilities such as "Massive" or some such, like whatever it is Kaiju are getting, to represent it's greater size with additional mechanics.

I believe the phrase I've been using to describe him is Dumb Big. Anyways yes he has the massive ability as well as a whole slew of other stuff like the fact that he's basically impossible to summon unless you are high end mythic and focused on conjuring. On top of that he is...

Trust me he is like the honey badger of giant death monsters, he shows up, gives 0 f*#!s, and murders EVERYTHING in his way until he gets to go back to his proverbial honey badger den.

Also have to give a nod to whoever wrote the Pit of Gormuz, very cool and awesomely horrifying and I can't wait for an excuse to use some of the stuff there. Also very happy to finally see some stuff written for Casmaron.

Define "near future"

I was sort of thinking the next year and a half, maybe.

Anyways yes he has the massive ability as well as a whole slew of other stuff like the fact that he's basically impossible to summon unless you are high end mythic and focused on conjuring.

What do you mean by high end mythic? As in, you need a certain number of mythic tiers to even try and summon him, or something else?

...James, did you write up Agmazar? Because I just now realized that whoever did put in a subtle and hilarious Godzilla reference, alongside the "undead Eva unit" thematics.

It degrades the atmosphere around it, causing fatigue at a distance and suffocation up close.

IT'S AN OXYGEN DESTROYER. O.O;

What do you mean by high end mythic? As in, you need a certain number of mythic tiers to even try and summon him, or something else?

He means that in all of Golarion's 10k+ year history, the Oliphaunt of Jandelay has successfully been summoned once, in spite of multiple attempts, including multiple attempts by 20+/mythic summoners.

There were some errors in the Gormuz section (a few of the Spawn of Rovagug's names were mixed up), but there's one part I'm unsure of: there's a single reference that something called Gormuz was Rovagug's first and greatest spawn, but this is incorrect... right? Ulunat the giant beetle was the first Spawn to emerge, the tarrasque was the greatest Spawn, and there are no spawn named Gormuz... I think?

Evidence.