James Jacobs Creative Director |
RuyanVe |
monstrous templates:[...]the blighted fey of Fangwood [...]
Might this something which could also be applied to the inhabitants of Tanglebriar (at least the wiki mentions dark fey as further inhabitants besides demons) - or would it be too far a stretch?
Would be nice for my KM campaign as my elven council member thinks TR is has to be the ultimate villain they will face (and who am I to contradict a player's statement *evilgrin*).
Ruyan.
Evil Midnight Lurker |
Sincubus wrote:What does everybody have with this Kaiju monster? Tarrasque would do the trick pretty well, as does the giant butterfly/moth of desna creature.But the tarrasque just isn't Godzilla...
When will people get it through their heads that the Tarrasque is Anguirus?! :)
Stratagemini |
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Kaijuu are larger than Colossal, for one thing. For another. A terrasque is all well and fine. But there are maybe only 3 creatures of its approximate CR and size. And most of them like the Terrasque are pretty strong flavor in Golarion (Spawn of Rovagug and all).
Why not use the Tessasque all the time? The same reason we don't use skeletons for every low CR enemies we need. They're different Monsters for different purposes.
James Jacobs Creative Director |
Wasn't the fungus queen originally just a succubus James statted up using the Fungal Creature template from Advanced Bestiary. I think I remember seeing something about it in his Sandpoint campaign log...
That was the first point a fungus queen got used in the game, yeah. But I didn't stop at just putting the fungal creature template on a succubus... the fungal creature template is actually kind of dull, I think. The fungus queen in the encounter had a few other crazy powers as well, which will be revealed in Inner Sea Bestiary.
James Jacobs Creative Director |
product description wrote:monstrous templates:[...]the blighted fey of Fangwood [...]Might this something which could also be applied to the inhabitants of Tanglebriar (at least the wiki mentions dark fey as further inhabitants besides demons) - or would it be too far a stretch?
Would be nice for my KM campaign as my elven council member thinks TR is has to be the ultimate villain they will face (and who am I to contradict a player's statement *evilgrin*).
Ruyan.
It could... but it's more about what's going on in Fangwood.
The fey in Tanglebriar are more likely to have the fiendish creature or half-fiend template on them.
James Jacobs Creative Director |
Kaijuu are larger than Colossal, for one thing. For another. A terrasque is all well and fine. But there are maybe only 3 creatures of its approximate CR and size. And most of them like the Terrasque are pretty strong flavor in Golarion (Spawn of Rovagug and all).
Why not use the Tessasque all the time? The same reason we don't use skeletons for every low CR enemies we need. They're different Monsters for different purposes.
Kaiju are still Colossal. It's been pointed out to me by our helpful local Bulmahn that the size category "Colossal" doesn't officially have an upper cap. We COULD do a monster with a space of 500 feet. But there's still some weird rules and effects that manifest if we do that... like how do you fit that mini on the battlemat? And doesn't it look ridiculous when it takes a five foot step?
Stratagemini |
Kaiju are still Colossal. It's been pointed out to me by our helpful local Bulmahn that the size category "Colossal" doesn't officially have an upper cap. We COULD do a monster with a space of 500 feet. But there's still some weird rules and effects that manifest if we do that... like how do you fit that mini on the battlemat? And doesn't it look ridiculous when it takes a five foot step?
I'm fairly certain that such a creature would no longer be considered a "mini" if it's taking up 100 square squares. Still I want to be able to fight it anyway. I don't want to be limited to the attack of the 50' whatever. I want to fight entire mountains! So I need rules that'll enable that.
And 5 ft. steps look ridiculous for gargantuan enemies too. And for fine enemies.
Lucent |
Stratagemini wrote:Kaijuu are larger than Colossal, for one thing. For another. A terrasque is all well and fine. But there are maybe only 3 creatures of its approximate CR and size. And most of them like the Terrasque are pretty strong flavor in Golarion (Spawn of Rovagug and all).
Why not use the Tessasque all the time? The same reason we don't use skeletons for every low CR enemies we need. They're different Monsters for different purposes.
Kaiju are still Colossal. It's been pointed out to me by our helpful local Bulmahn that the size category "Colossal" doesn't officially have an upper cap. We COULD do a monster with a space of 500 feet. But there's still some weird rules and effects that manifest if we do that... like how do you fit that mini on the battlemat? And doesn't it look ridiculous when it takes a five foot step?
I have always wondered why it has remained a 5-foot step instead of being called an "adjustment" and allowing you to move a number of squares equal to the space you take up (or your speed, whichever is lower). Therefore 5-foot for medium creatures, 10-feet for large, etc.
A man tip-toes across a stream. King Ghidora tiptoes across the mississippi.
Dragon78 |
Yeah, less then a week for subscribers to get there PDFs.
I would love to know what the CRs for all of the spawn are, well other then the Tarrasgue since we know that one is 25.
The fiendish template would work for the fey of Tangelbriar, but the half-fiend template would just change there type to outsider so that would defeat the purpose of having fey in there with demons.
Dragon78 |
Thank you Mr. Daigle for the information.
CRs 22 and 23 sounds about right since Xotani was CR 20.
I am guesing the spwan used will more then likely be Chemnosit and Volnagur since they are still alive.
Ulunat CR21 or 24
Chemnosit CR22 or 23
Tarrasque CR25
Kothogaz CR21 or 24
Xotani CR20
Volnagur CR22 or 23
Enlight_Bystand |
Thank you Mr. Daigle for the information.
CRs 22 and 23 sounds about right since Xotani was CR 20.
I am guesing the spwan used will more then likely be Chemnosit and Volnagur since they are still alive.
Ulunat CR21 or 24
Chemnosit CR22 or 23
Tarrasque CR25
Kothogaz CR21 or 24
Xotani CR20
Volnagur CR22 or 23
I suspect that if Xoanti were to be stated today, he'd be a higher CR. He was stated at CR 20 in 3.5, where the Tarrasque was CR 20 as well.
Set |
I have always wondered why it has remained a 5-foot step instead of being called an "adjustment" and allowing you to move a number of squares equal to the space you take up (or your speed, whichever is lower). Therefore 5-foot for medium creatures, 10-feet for large, etc.
A man tip-toes across a stream. King Ghidora tiptoes across the mississippi.
That's a decent house rule. Having a size Large ogre or troll make a 10 ft. '5 ft. step' would perhaps be a bit of a shock the first time it happens in combat.
Stratagemini |
I like that rule. Put it'd be better done via the size categories with automatic quicksteps for each size, and only increase individual stat blocks if there's something odd about them (like giant legs, or being a gelatinous Cube) that makes a larger step not make as much sense.
I'd like to see Xotani restatted for PF. It's such a cool monster, it really needs a CR worthy of it's name.
Threeshades |
Those monkey-footed goblins on the mockup image? What are those? Are they coing to be in the book?
Lucent wrote:I have always wondered why it has remained a 5-foot step instead of being called an "adjustment" and allowing you to move a number of squares equal to the space you take up (or your speed, whichever is lower). Therefore 5-foot for medium creatures, 10-feet for large, etc.
A man tip-toes across a stream. King Ghidora tiptoes across the mississippi.
That's a decent house rule. Having a size Large ogre or troll make a 10 ft. '5 ft. step' would perhaps be a bit of a shock the first time it happens in combat.
Ugh, I can already see all those huge serpentine eidolons with extreme focus on their bite attacks and combat reflexes constantly making 15 ft steps to get plenty of AoOs against smaller enemies.
James Jacobs Creative Director |
Jim Groves Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 4 |
Albus wrote:People won't have pdfs until next week. The email they are talking about is the "shipping in the next week" warning email. PDFs become available to subscribers once the books actually ship.How about a little comprehensive list?
Thanks!
Joseph Wilson is right. They seldom tell you everything until it starts to ship. Historically its been excited fans that post detailed lists like that.
And in a way that kinda makes it fun for the community.
Berselius |
Thank you Mr. Daigle for the information.
CR's 22 and 23 sounds about right since Xotani was CR 20.
I am guessing the spawn used will more then likely be Chemnosit and Volnagur since they are still alive.
Ulunat (CR 21 or CR 24)
Chemnosit (CR 22 or CR 23)
Tarrasque (CR 25)
Kothogaz (CR 21 or CR 24)
Xotani (CR 20)
Volnagur (CR 22 or CR 23)
I'd go for the following personally:
Ulunat (CR 24)
Chemnosit (CR 23)
Tarrasque (CR 25)
Kothogaz (CR 24)
Xotani (CR 24)
Volnagur (CR 23)
The Spawn aren't meant to be challenged by anything less than epic level foes, entire armies of lesser foes, and demigods! Their end gamers, pure and simple! If you can't stop one your gonna get NERFED and even if you DO STOP ONE at least SEVERAL THOUSAND of your guys are be making a trip to the Boneyard!
(Note: My apologies Dragon78 for altering your post. Sometimes my OCD gets the better of me. ^_~)
Gururamalamaswami |
RuyanVe wrote:product description wrote:monstrous templates:[...]the blighted fey of Fangwood [...]Might this something which could also be applied to the inhabitants of Tanglebriar (at least the wiki mentions dark fey as further inhabitants besides demons) - or would it be too far a stretch?
Would be nice for my KM campaign as my elven council member thinks TR is has to be the ultimate villain they will face (and who am I to contradict a player's statement *evilgrin*).
Ruyan.
It could... but it's more about what's going on in Fangwood.
The fey in Tanglebriar are more likely to have the fiendish creature or half-fiend template on them.
I really like that stuff from your home games makes it into the products. It drives home the fact the you are one of us (and not, say, a company run by a profit-driven corporation divorced from its own products).