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Seize the initiative and chop your foes to pieces with this exhaustive guide to the art of martial combat in this exciting new rulebook for the smash-hit Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, suitable for players and Game Masters alike!

This comprehensive 256-page hardcover reference reveals the martial secrets of the Pathfinder RPG rules like never before! Tons of new tricks and techniques for combat-oriented character classes put a sharp edge on your weapons and a sure step in your tactics, ranging from new barbarian rage powers, new cavalier orders, tons of new rogue talents, and more than 60 new archetypes for nearly every Pathfinder RPG character class, including spellcasters like wizards and clerics.

Ultimate Combat also introduces three new Pathfinder RPG classes: the ninja, samurai, and gunslinger! The ninja blends the subterfuge of the rogue with high-flying martial arts and assassination techniques. The samurai is an unstoppable armored warrior who lives by a strong code of honor—with or without a master. The gunslinger combines the fighter's martial prowess with a new grit mechanic that allows her to pull off fantastic acts with a pistol or rifle. All this plus tons of new armor and weapons, a complete treatment of firearms in the Pathfinder RPG, a vast array of martial arts, finishing moves, vehicle combat, duels, and new combat-oriented spells for every spellcasting class in the game!

Ultimate Combat includes:

  • New player character options for 14 Pathfinder RPG base classes, including alchemist discoveries, barbarian rage powers, cavalier orders, combat-cleric archetypes, animal shaman druids, new fighter archetypes like gladiator and armor master, inquisitor archetypes like witch-hunter or spellbreaker, combat-themed magus arcana, monk archetypes based on mastery of martial arts, new paladin archetypes like angelic warrior, ranger archetypes like big game hunter and trapper, new rogue tricks, and wizard archetypes like the gunmage
  • The ninja, samurai, and gunslinger, brand-new 20-level alternate classes specially designed to get the most out of combat
  • Hundreds of new combat-oriented feats including martial arts feat trees, finishing moves, and combination feats
  • In-depth overviews on a variety of combat-related topics, such as armor, Asian weapons, duels, fighting schools, guns, siege weapons, and more
  • A complete system covering vehicle combat, including wagons, boats, airships, and more
  • Tons of optional combat rules like called shots, armor as damage reduction, and new ways to track character health
  • ... and much, much more!

ISBN-13: 978-1-60125-359-0

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Splatbook done right.

5/5 —

Placeholder review until I get some time to write something elaborate.

Short version: You Got Your Guns And Ninjas And Katanas In My Western Medieval Fantasy And I Like It.

Also, Mysterious Stranger.

Oh good, 3.5 is back...

3/5 —

This is not a terrible book - let me start off this review by saying that. But it certainly could have been better - especially after the terrible reviews Ultimate Magic received.

Did Paizo playtest anything at all in this? Did they playtest this in a vaccuum? I'm getting ahead of myself, so let's just go down the list:

Classes:

The gunslinger. The very idea makes D&D players cringe - do guns belong in a fantasy setting? Offering to sidestep philosophical questions, Paizo decided to include one base class here. It isn't a terrible idea, but one that makes you sit and think: guns already exist on the Pathfinder world, and have costs that rival a +1 or +2 magic weapon. Ammunition is hideously expensive. So how do they solve this? By making a class that completely ignores it. You, as a gunslinger, start with a gun of your choice - free! Oh sure, it is 'battered' and can only be effectively used by you. Isn't THAT cool? I can't count how many times I had a fighter who would LOVE to have a weapon that only he can use. Also, the gunslinger is a master of repairing his weapon and crafting ammunition - being able to do so for the price of a song. Oh, every archer everywhere must be jealous!

Seriously, if you have to go through that much song and dance to justify the weapon, then it isn't time to look and see if the class needs to be rebalanced, but if the weapons do. Do they NEED to cost thousands of gold? Does ammunition HAVE to be expensive? No. Any perfectly sane player can read over the firearms and note the advantages and disadvantages as compared to crossbows and bows. They are an exotic weapon that have some neat characteristics and cruel drawbacks. They don't need to have a massive boost in cost to justify their existence, nor do classes and archetypes need to be created to receive a special broken one for free at first level.

The ninja. Oh God, here we go again. The class that has made every GM since 2nd ed sick is back. I like ninjas, Paizo - I really do. I can tell you like them too, because you clearly decided that they need to be the most awesomest awesome that ever awesomed an awesome.

Let's go over this guy compared to our friend the rogue, shall we?

- Same skill points
- Better weapons (katana? really?)
- Same sneak attack (because why not hand our the rogue's coolest ability?)
- Monk's ki points (bonus to acrobatics, extra attacks, and extra stealth)
- No trapfinding (ok, there's one minor thing that sometimes comes up that rogues are good at)
- Better at stealth (hands freaking down)
- Ninja tricks! (They're like rogue tricks, but more varies, and a ninja can choose a rogue trick as a ninja trick. So everything a rogue can do, a ninja can too!)

So, what we get here is a rogue who gives up trapfinding and trap sense (aka most worthless ability ever) to gain better stealth and combat tricks. Woot. Pencil me in for two.

The samurai... is boring. It's an Asian cavalier. That's it! Oh, they do get better weapons (katana again - man I wish we could all get free exotic weapon profs!). They also follow the stereotypical Hollywood ideal of the samurai's honor code - which usually only helps them. Woot.

Archetypes got some nice boosts as well. Magus players will be THRILLED to see the kensai is back, and is just the way it was left in 2nd ed - being better at its job that a fighter or a mage. At some point in time, game designers are going to realize that "only proficient in a single weapon" isn't much of a drawback to anyone. Neither is handing our methods to overcome the inherent limitations of a class.

Also lots of new gun-wielding archetypes to go along with the gun theory. They get all the base stuff that a gunslinger gets, too. The market for black powder in game worlds is about to get dicey.

Feats seem fine - finally monks get some much-needed love with the styles. Now I don't feel stupid for playing one. Well, maybe not anymore with that ninja hanging about.

Spells - woot. Not many complaints here yet. We'll see if anything needs to be errata'd.

Everything else... is rather pointless. Vehicle combat is far too cumbersome to use more than once in a game. Duels are stupid - always have been, always will be. Alternate armor options are relying way too much on a desire to pad an entire chapter with fluff rather than sit and think what ramifications they could have on a system that has been in print for 12 years (just the same way the same rules did when people brought them up in 3.0 and 3.5).

Overall, not a terrible book. But GMs beware and players be fair. Trying to yank out the overpowered stuff in here will give you a headache just as much as it did with UM.

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allow animal companions to take character lvls
Steelfiredragon wrote:
allow animal companions to take character lvls

That's... silly. And potentially overpowered, considering some of the animal companion choices you can take.

Ashram wrote:
Steelfiredragon wrote:
allow animal companions to take character lvls
That's... silly. And potentially overpowered, considering some of the animal companion choices you can take.

i think thats why he wants it the silly lil munchkin =) , that being said WHERES THE PREVIEWS

Golden-Esque wrote:
Azure_Zero wrote:

Time wise

it is so close, yet so far away.

Since archetypes for alternate classes do not exist yet, I would ask Paizo to consider it an option for a later book(s).

An evil version of the Oathbound Paladin would be cool ... :-P

That would make for a mean anti-paladin (New villain idea, check)

James Jacobs wrote:

Oh... and also worth pointing out...

Ultimate Combat is far from at the printer yet. If we decide that presenting the ninja and the samurai and the gunslinger as alternative classes isn't a good idea and that it'd be better to present them simply as normal archetypes... we'll do so. Feedback from customers will be a huge part of how we make that decision.

That said, having seen how these three look as alternative classes, I'm pretty excited about them. I hope you all will like them too, of course! :)

That's interesting. If I may ask. what's the usual turnaround on printing and binding your hardcovers?

Ashram wrote:
Steelfiredragon wrote:
allow animal companions to take character lvls
That's... silly. And potentially overpowered, considering some of the animal companion choices you can take.

no not really, considering the paladin's mount... and the alignment restrictions, which would mean that the horse or exotic mount would have to be lg, ng, or ln.

and as far as the druid..... well... thats debatable.
The Exchange
CaspianM wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:

Oh... and also worth pointing out...

Ultimate Combat is far from at the printer yet. If we decide that presenting the ninja and the samurai and the gunslinger as alternative classes isn't a good idea and that it'd be better to present them simply as normal archetypes... we'll do so. Feedback from customers will be a huge part of how we make that decision.

That said, having seen how these three look as alternative classes, I'm pretty excited about them. I hope you all will like them too, of course! :)

That's interesting. If I may ask. what's the usual turnaround on printing and binding your hardcovers?

Um... If you are quoting this post: Link, then that is over five months old... I would imagine that the book is at the printers by now, or damn close to it, if they want to get it out for GenCon.

Dark Archive
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AlanM wrote:
CaspianM wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:

Oh... and also worth pointing out...

Ultimate Combat is far from at the printer yet. If we decide that presenting the ninja and the samurai and the gunslinger as alternative classes isn't a good idea and that it'd be better to present them simply as normal archetypes... we'll do so. Feedback from customers will be a huge part of how we make that decision.

That said, having seen how these three look as alternative classes, I'm pretty excited about them. I hope you all will like them too, of course! :)

That's interesting. If I may ask. what's the usual turnaround on printing and binding your hardcovers?
Um... If you are quoting this post: Link, then that is over five months old... I would imagine that the book is at the printers by now, or damn close to it, if they want to get it out for GenCon.

In fact it had been gone to the printer for several weeks as of Paizocon....

Question still stands but oops, will look at timestamps more next time.
Stasiscell wrote:
... that being said WHERES THE PREVIEWS

Good question! When will the previews begin?

Zen79 wrote:
Stasiscell wrote:
... that being said WHERES THE PREVIEWS

Good question! When will the previews begin?

I am also wondering this. If there aren't going to be any, please tell us!

Would love to see/know if a Houndmaster-style arctype for the Cavalier made it into the book.

I already know my DM isn't keen on the addition of guns, but with that swank piratey AP coming up, he might warm-up to them a bit.

Yes, where are the previews? They should be starting it soon even though I think it should've started a week ri 2 ago.
Mikaze wrote:

Gunmage?

Better tell my group that an Outlaw Star themed campaign is almost inevitable now. :D

C'mon monk love...

And please let the Big Game Hunter archetype look like Saxton Hale and/or Theodore Roosevelt!

"A complete system covering vehicle combat, including wagons, boats, airships, and more "

YES

I imagined the same thing! *high five*

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer
CaspianM wrote:
Question still stands but oops, will look at timestamps more next time.

It usually only takes a few weeks at the printer... but the trip from the printer to our warehouse takes a couple of months.

The Exchange
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I hope Ultimate Combat is done from the printer already. We're in July and it's due this month.
TheLoneCleric wrote:
I hope Ultimate Combat is done from the printer already. We're in July and it's due this month.

Um, no. Pre-order is due this month. That's very, very different from an actual release.

MaverickWolf wrote:
TheLoneCleric wrote:
I hope Ultimate Combat is done from the printer already. We're in July and it's due this month.
Um, no. Pre-order is due this month. That's very, very different from an actual release.

Ultimate Combt is the big GenCon relesae. The "preorder late July" means it can be pre-orderd now and can be expected to ship immediately after GenCon. It needs to ship to distributors and subscribers about a week before the end of the month so that it is available at GenCon in early August (4th?).

The Exchange
Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Ah. But tecnically the book should already be shipping from the printer. (Going from the couple of months statement/sounds like international shipping.) So the first half of my statement is true. It should already be printed and shipping. For GenCon.

I just want to know what's causing the delay in weekly previews...?
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Razz wrote:
I just want to know what's causing the delay in weekly previews...?

I am going to guess the fact that next week would give them 4 Thursdays until release, and they will have 4 previews then.

Silver Crusade
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Razz wrote:
I just want to know what's causing the delay in weekly previews...?

The fact that there are other products apart from UC that have to be previewed?

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer
Urath DM wrote:
MaverickWolf wrote:
TheLoneCleric wrote:
I hope Ultimate Combat is done from the printer already. We're in July and it's due this month.
Um, no. Pre-order is due this month. That's very, very different from an actual release.

Ultimate Combt is the big GenCon relesae. The "preorder late July" means it can be pre-orderd now and can be expected to ship immediately after GenCon. It needs to ship to distributors and subscribers about a week before the end of the month so that it is available at GenCon in early August (4th?).

It is in transit from the printer, and has been for some time.

"Preorder expected Late July" means that we expect to begin shipping it to people who have preordered it (and RPG subscribers of course) in Late July, with the goal of having a lot of those shipments reach customers as close to the August 4 retail release date as possible.
Gorbacz wrote:
Razz wrote:
I just want to know what's causing the delay in weekly previews...?
The fact that there are other products apart from UC that have to be previewed?

Such as? UC is the biggest, and only, one right now.

The Exchange
Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Razz wrote:
Such as? UC is the biggest, and only, one right now.

Well, that's more of a point of view really. Dungeons of Golarion went to my #1 spot when I found out it had robots in it. And updates about the Carrion Crown AP are always welcome.

It's funny. I roughly know what I'm getting with UC. So I can wait, it's a must have. But the other product? I want previews.

At what time is the PDF version likely to be available? I'd love a Hardcover version, but living all the way out in Australia makes shipping costs prohibitive and my local game-store (three hours away and $80 worth of fuel!) hasn't stocked Pathfinder items since the Dungeon & Dragon magazines were cancelled.
Liberty's Edge
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Gern Blacktusk wrote:
At what time is the PDF version likely to be available? I'd love a Hardcover version, but living all the way out in Australia makes shipping costs prohibitive and my local game-store (three hours away and $80 worth of fuel!) hasn't stocked Pathfinder items since the Dungeon & Dragon magazines were cancelled.

The PDF will be available when the hardcover goes on sale. This is expected to be at GenCon, so 4th August seems likely. Subscribers get it a few days earlier when their book is shipped.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer
Paul Watson wrote:
Gern Blacktusk wrote:
At what time is the PDF version likely to be available? I'd love a Hardcover version, but living all the way out in Australia makes shipping costs prohibitive and my local game-store (three hours away and $80 worth of fuel!) hasn't stocked Pathfinder items since the Dungeon & Dragon magazines were cancelled.
The PDF will be available when the hardcover goes on sale. This is expected to be at GenCon, so 4th August seems likely. Subscribers get it a few days earlier when their book is shipped.

Yep—August 4.

The specific time will be when the Gen Con hall is opened to the general public: 10 AM Indianapolis time, 7 AM Pacific (Paizo) time.

I like the fact that Ultimate Combat and the Jade Regent are released at the same time and that Ultimate Combat is used in Jade Regent and that Jade regent might have some things for Ultimate Combat.

Hi Vic - does the shipping route happen to go via South Africa maybe? Then I could get my copy at that point, yes? :D
Azure_Zero wrote:
I like the fact that Ultimate Combat and the Jade Regent are released at the same time and that Ultimate Combat is used in Jade Regent and that Jade regent might have some things for Ultimate Combat.

Same. I am hoping that I get them both the same day in the mail.

Vic Wertz wrote:
Paul Watson wrote:
Gern Blacktusk wrote:
At what time is the PDF version likely to be available? I'd love a Hardcover version, but living all the way out in Australia makes shipping costs prohibitive and my local game-store (three hours away and $80 worth of fuel!) hasn't stocked Pathfinder items since the Dungeon & Dragon magazines were cancelled.
The PDF will be available when the hardcover goes on sale. This is expected to be at GenCon, so 4th August seems likely. Subscribers get it a few days earlier when their book is shipped.

Yep—August 4.

The specific time will be when the Gen Con hall is opened to the general public: 10 AM Indianapolis time, 7 AM Pacific (Paizo) time.

So will the subscribers get any sort of benefit on this? I know I am picking up my copy at Gencon, so it won't necessarily ship, but will I have access to the PDF whenever I am billed as I have previously? Or will it release August 4th for everyone regardless?

Liberty's Edge
Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Maps, Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber
Phone wrote:

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So will the subscribers get any sort of benefit on this? I know I am picking up my copy at Gencon, so it won't necessarily ship, but will I have access to the PDF whenever I am billed as I have previously? Or will it release August 4th for everyone regardless?

If you are picking up at Gencon You will have access to the PDF the day they start shipping to Subscribers, they also will be charging your credit card that day.

This was all said and more in an email, You should check your account to see if you are letting Paizo send you email, if so check your email account to verify they are not going to junk mail.
Liberty's Edge

Can't wait to see this go live. My GM was bustling for the Ultimate Magic, and now the players who prefer tools to spells are gonna have thier box of tricks!

Picking up the subscription for this.
Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer
Dragnmoon wrote:
If you are picking up at Gencon You will have access to the PDF the day they start shipping to Subscribers, they also will be charging your credit card that day.

Close. As many of you know, it takes a few days to process all the subs, so Gen Con subscribers will get their PDFs (and be charged) *within* that several-day period, not necessarily on the first day of that period.

Liberty's Edge
Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Maps, Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber
Vic Wertz wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
If you are picking up at Gencon You will have access to the PDF the day they start shipping to Subscribers, they also will be charging your credit card that day.
Close. As many of you know, it takes a few days to process all the subs, so Gen Con subscribers will get their PDFs (and be charged) *within* that several-day period, not necessarily on the first day of that period.

Since there is no shipping involved the process should be MUCH shorter for those picking up at GenCon, so why could it not be on the day that you start shipping to subscribers?

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer
Dragnmoon wrote:
Vic Wertz wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
If you are picking up at Gencon You will have access to the PDF the day they start shipping to Subscribers, they also will be charging your credit card that day.
Close. As many of you know, it takes a few days to process all the subs, so Gen Con subscribers will get their PDFs (and be charged) *within* that several-day period, not necessarily on the first day of that period.
Since there is no shipping involved the process should be MUCH shorter for those picking up at GenCon, so why could it not be on the day that you start shipping to subscribers?

Our method for processing subs is complicated, and it currently doesn't take into account the fact that there's nothing to ship. We could *make* it consider that, of course, but I really don't think that giving con pickup people a free pass to the front of the PDF line would be fair to those subscribers who aren't going to Gen Con anyway.

Vic Wertz wrote:
We could *make* it consider that, of course, but I really don't think that giving con pickup people a free pass to the front of the PDF line would be fair to those subscribers who aren't going to Gen Con anyway.

I would agree. It'd be like a double whammy. "You don't get to go to Gencon and because you don't get to go to Gencon, you also don't get to enjoy your PDF as early as those who are."

Liberty's Edge

So are we to assume at this point that Ultimate Combat previews just aren't going to happen?
Shisumo wrote:
So are we to assume at this point that Ultimate Combat previews just aren't going to happen?

My final hope is that the previews will start tomorrow. Since the book is getting its technical release at GenCon on Thursday, August 4th, it makes sense to do a month of previews (four-ish weeks left until GenCon) starting on Thursday and ending on the 4th. Whether I'm right remains to be seen, but even though I've already preordered my copy of the book, I'll be disappointed if no previews happen. I currently have one player who is using the Round 2 Gunslinger and another who is waiting very patiently for the Combat Cleric archetype.

Silver Crusade

It's the monk stuff I'm really aching to see.
Pathfinder Adventure Path, Lost Omens, Rulebook, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Mikaze wrote:
It's the monk stuff I'm really aching to see.

Hear hear. And Unarmed Strike as a Ninja class feature. ^^

Golden-Esque wrote:
My final hope is that the previews will start tomorrow. Since the book is getting its technical release at GenCon on Thursday, August 4th, it makes sense to do a month of previews (four-ish weeks left until GenCon) starting on Thursday and ending on the 4th. Whether I'm right remains to be seen, but even though I've already preordered my copy of the book, I'll be disappointed if no previews happen. I currently have one player who is using the Round 2 Gunslinger and another who is waiting very patiently for the Combat Cleric archetype.

I think that's ulikely. Thursday's Golarion Day day. Of course only Paizo knows and it's quite possible that they'll shift things around a bit in preparation for GenCon but a more likely preview day is Tuesday as that's usually the crunchy day.

Shisumo wrote:
So are we to assume at this point that Ultimate Combat previews just aren't going to happen?

It seems that way. I'm highly disappointed.

Contributor
Shisumo wrote:
So are we to assume at this point that Ultimate Combat previews just aren't going to happen?

Why would you assume that? It's 3 weeks until Gen Con, that's many opportunities to blog about UC.

Sean K Reynolds wrote:
Shisumo wrote:
So are we to assume at this point that Ultimate Combat previews just aren't going to happen?
Why would you assume that? It's 3 weeks until Gen Con, that's many opportunities to blog about UC.

*Squints at Sean suspiciously and casts Zone of Truth*

Oh, really? MANY opportunities you say? >:3
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Golden-Esque wrote:
Sean K Reynolds wrote:
Shisumo wrote:
So are we to assume at this point that Ultimate Combat previews just aren't going to happen?
Why would you assume that? It's 3 weeks until Gen Con, that's many opportunities to blog about UC.

*Squints at Sean suspiciously and casts Zone of Truth*

Oh, really? MANY opportunities you say? >:3

I count 15 myself.:)

Andric wrote:
Azure_Zero wrote:
I like the fact that Ultimate Combat and the Jade Regent are released at the same time and that Ultimate Combat is used in Jade Regent and that Jade regent might have some things for Ultimate Combat.
Same. I am hoping that I get them both the same day in the mail.

I hope to pick up both at the Wizards Tower on the same day that they are first out.

Dragon78 wrote:
A vampire hunter would be nice.

Hells yes it would! Not more retreating into your coffin for you blood-sucking scum! Oh no! Your going to be reduced to dust right here, right NOW! I'd love it even better if I could make a Male Dhampir Inquisitor (Vampire Hunter archetype)/Gunslinger! ^_^

Sean K Reynolds wrote:
Shisumo wrote:
So are we to assume at this point that Ultimate Combat previews just aren't going to happen?
Why would you assume that? It's 3 weeks until Gen Con, that's many opportunities to blog about UC.

I think you guys need to go to the nice building with the scantily clad but very friendly and hard-working ladies. Teasers keep the dream alive!

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