Sean K Reynolds Contributor |
Enlight_Bystand |
Warmage could be done using sorcerer relatively easy, duskblade can effectively be covered by the new magus, hexblade by a fighter/witch/eldritch knight combo. It's only warlock that is very difficult to do.
Vic Wertz Chief Technical Officer |
DougErvin |
Cross posting this from Ultimate Magic playtest so it might be seen.
In Races of Destiny there is a bard/sorc/wiz spell called I think Tranverse City which uses a stone from the city as a focus and teleports you to a random street location in the city. This is a great bard spell just from the flavor and GM possitbilites. I can see the bard and party appearing between two rival gangs just before they fight for dominance. Poping in and disrupting a noble progression and getting arrested. Lots of good gaming situations could present themselves.
What I would like is a similar bard spell in Ultimate Magic.
Doug
Generic Villain |
I noticed some posters don't want anymore sorcerer bloodlines. My two cents...
If Paizo released 100 official sorcerer bloodlines in this book, I'd still want more! While the 20 bloodlines in the CR and APG (plus pestilence and orc from other products) are certainly a great start, the potential for yet more bloodlines is pretty much unlimited. Potentials off the top of my head:
Inevitable, daemon, rakshasa, Lovecraftian horror, shaman/spirit talker, qlippoth, genie, azata, racial (dwarf, elf, etc.), Thassilonian sin, aeon, lycanthrope, ooze, and oni.
And while I could also see the viability of "sub-bloodlines" that functioned as cleric sub-domains ("vampire" instead of just "undead"), brand new bloodlines will continue to have their place.
Asgetrion |
Propane wrote:I'm sure it's too much to hope for, but I really hope this book has all the Core rulebook and APG spells in it.This book is largely new content, not a compendium.
How about updated spell lists for each class, and references to which book the spells are from? That would be ultra-cool! :)
Sean K Reynolds Contributor |
Dark_Mistress |
Asgetrion wrote:How about updated spell lists for each class, and references to which book the spells are from? That would be ultra-cool! :)Personally, I'd rather put that online, and not waste 20+ pages reprinting all that text....
SOLD!
Just remember you offered, so get to work. *cracks the whip*
James Jacobs Creative Director |
Sean K Reynolds Contributor |
Dragnmoon |
James Jacobs wrote:Screenshotted and stashed on my hard drive so I'll know who to assign this project to when it inevitably needs to be done over the course of a weekend or holiday break...Feh, Photoshop will save me. :)
This sounds like a Job for an Intern!!!..Or Mark..;)
Asgetrion |
Sean K Reynolds wrote:This sounds like a Job for an Intern!!!..Or Mark..;)James Jacobs wrote:Screenshotted and stashed on my hard drive so I'll know who to assign this project to when it inevitably needs to be done over the course of a weekend or holiday break...Feh, Photoshop will save me. :)
Yeah, Mark should learn some humility... ;P
Forgottenprince |
Paladinosaur wrote:I know Paizo is very careful about introducing new prestige classes, but wont this book have any?+1
I posted this elsewhere (another Ultimate Magic thread I think) but I'd like to see an "Eidolon Adept" PrC... basically a prestige class that does for Summoner what Master Chymist does for the Alchemist.
And, given the lack of arcane caster type PrC's in the APG... if I had to guess, I'd say that we're gonna see some here... in Ultimate Magic.
But, that's just a guess. :)
Dean (TMW)
Did we ever get confirmation that there will be PrC's?
Gambit |
Is it too late to request a Pathfinder version of something akin to the Practiced Spellcaster +4 caster level feat in this book. I understand there is the Magical Knack trait that gives a +2 available, but not all GM's allow traits and also if someone were to play something such as a Mystic Theurge they would not be adequately covered on both sides.
Kerobelis |
I am very late to this discussion.
With some info on Ninja's, samurai, etc., will there by any suggestions / archetypes for the casters from Oriental Adventures. i.e. an Archetype for Wujen (based off wizard), Shaman (based off of Oracle or Cleric?) or would something of this nature be in the Tian Xia book?
Or perhaps nothing at all?
Sean K Reynolds Contributor |
Generic Villain |
I am very late to this discussion.
With some info on Ninja's, samurai, etc., will there by any suggestions / archetypes for the casters from Oriental Adventures. i.e. an Archetype for Wujen (based off wizard), Shaman (based off of Oracle or Cleric?) or would something of this nature be in the Tian Xia book?
Or perhaps nothing at all?
The Inner Sea World Guide will have archetypes pretaining to the Inner Sea region. It stands to reason that the Tian Xia World Guide will have Tian-Xia-ian archetypes. Whether one of these archetypes will be a wu jen? Who knows. As far as I can tell, the wu jen was created wholesale for Dungeons and Dragons. It has an "Asian" feel, but I don't think it's based off any particular sect/religion/practice.
Wu shamanism, on the other hand, is an ancient religion that is still practiced today. Paizo tends to be leery about transforming living religions into RPG fodder - though they did a good job with Juju, Golarion's Voodoo/Vodun.
Kvantum |
Shisumo wrote:Steelfiredragon wrote:I'm still looking for a Frostmage style prc for PAthfinder's wizard, sorcerer and the Witch........Did you check out the boreal sorcerer bloodline in the APG?which would only work for a sorcerer and not a witch or a wizard...
There is a School of Ice in Genius Guide: Ice Magic. Available here.
Joseph Wilson |
The Inner Sea World Guide will have archetypes pretaining to the Inner Sea region. It stands to reason that the Tian Xia World Guide will have Tian-Xia-ian archetypes.
Actually, just to keep expectations managed, the Inner Sea World Guide will NOT contain any archetypes. This is according to the product description and Paizo employees...
Lord Twitchiopolis |
I was on the fence with Ultimate Magic due to the Words of Power system seeming unrefined in the last playtest phase. Then I read three little words that sold this book to me, all other content aside.
VERMIN ANIMAL COMPANIONS.
So long as that is PFS legal, you have sold one additional $40 book!
And it otta be out just in time for my birthday! Paizo, you really do love me!
The Painted Oryx |
What's this I keep reading around the boards about this book having "Oriental content"?? People are saying we don't need a crunch book for Tien-Xia because all the crunch will be in Ultimate Combat (with the ninja and samurai) and Ultimate Magic, but it doesn't say in the product description what "oriental" content will be in the book!
Razz |
Cross posting this from Ultimate Magic playtest so it might be seen.
In Races of Destiny there is a bard/sorc/wiz spell called I think Tranverse City which uses a stone from the city as a focus and teleports you to a random street location in the city. This is a great bard spell just from the flavor and GM possitbilites. I can see the bard and party appearing between two rival gangs just before they fight for dominance. Poping in and disrupting a noble progression and getting arrested. Lots of good gaming situations could present themselves.
What I would like is a similar bard spell in Ultimate Magic.Doug
What's wrong with using the spell from Cityscape? PF is backwards compatible, after all. (Personally, I don't want repeats from WotC material)
Gorbacz |
DougErvin wrote:What's wrong with using the spell from Cityscape? PF is backwards compatible, after all. (Personally, I don't want repeats from WotC material)Cross posting this from Ultimate Magic playtest so it might be seen.
In Races of Destiny there is a bard/sorc/wiz spell called I think Tranverse City which uses a stone from the city as a focus and teleports you to a random street location in the city. This is a great bard spell just from the flavor and GM possitbilites. I can see the bard and party appearing between two rival gangs just before they fight for dominance. Poping in and disrupting a noble progression and getting arrested. Lots of good gaming situations could present themselves.
What I would like is a similar bard spell in Ultimate Magic.Doug
Cityscape sucks. Also, I somewhat doubt that the "yeah, let's not release a book on this and just point customers to our competition" argument crosses Paizo's minds a lot ;)
Galnörag |
We'll be releasing more information about the contents of the book as we approach it's release date.
Do we have a more concrete release day then mid-april? Is it off to the printers, in cargo containers on the ocean, held within Treebole by the vile Treerazor until suitable sacrifice of elves is performed?
Galnörag |
Razz wrote:Cityscape sucks. Also, I somewhat doubt that the "yeah, let's not release a book on this and just point customers to our competition" argument crosses Paizo's minds a lot ;)DougErvin wrote:What's wrong with using the spell from Cityscape? PF is backwards compatible, after all. (Personally, I don't want repeats from WotC material)Cross posting this from Ultimate Magic playtest so it might be seen.
In Races of Destiny there is a bard/sorc/wiz spell called I think Tranverse City which uses a stone from the city as a focus and teleports you to a random street location in the city. This is a great bard spell just from the flavor and GM possitbilites. I can see the bard and party appearing between two rival gangs just before they fight for dominance. Poping in and disrupting a noble progression and getting arrested. Lots of good gaming situations could present themselves.
What I would like is a similar bard spell in Ultimate Magic.Doug
I was under the impression that Paizo was embracing the old OGL model, in that when the Pathfinder ecology thrives with third party material, then that mean the core is thriving as well.
Gorbacz |
Gorbacz wrote:Razz wrote:Cityscape sucks. Also, I somewhat doubt that the "yeah, let's not release a book on this and just point customers to our competition" argument crosses Paizo's minds a lot ;)DougErvin wrote:What's wrong with using the spell from Cityscape? PF is backwards compatible, after all. (Personally, I don't want repeats from WotC material)Cross posting this from Ultimate Magic playtest so it might be seen.
In Races of Destiny there is a bard/sorc/wiz spell called I think Tranverse City which uses a stone from the city as a focus and teleports you to a random street location in the city. This is a great bard spell just from the flavor and GM possitbilites. I can see the bard and party appearing between two rival gangs just before they fight for dominance. Poping in and disrupting a noble progression and getting arrested. Lots of good gaming situations could present themselves.
What I would like is a similar bard spell in Ultimate Magic.Doug
I was under the impression that Paizo was embracing the old OGL model, in that when the Pathfinder ecology thrives with third party material, then that mean the core is thriving as well.
Of course. But it's not like they won't release something because WotC did something on that subject (also, note: WotC stuff was closed content).
Heine Stick |
Do we have a more concrete release day then mid-april? Is it off to the printers, in cargo containers on the ocean, held within Treebole by the vile Treerazor until suitable sacrifice of elves is performed?
Until the book reaches Paizo's warehouse, we're not going to get a more specific date than mid-April, since a lot of factors can delay the arrival of the book.
I do believe it's been sent off to the printer, though.
Grey Lensman |
What's this I keep reading around the boards about this book having "Oriental content"?? People are saying we don't need a crunch book for Tien-Xia because all the crunch will be in Ultimate Combat (with the ninja and samurai) and Ultimate Magic, but it doesn't say in the product description what "oriental" content will be in the book!
I'd imagine an archetype or two would be added to Ultimate Magic just the same as there are a couple archetypes being added to Ultimate Combat. However, the spellcaster archetypes are probably not as involved (for lack of a better word) than the ninja and samurai archetypes (as well as not having the same number of fans who demand to see them) so they didn't get an advance preview.
I'd bet that there might be a page or two in any Tien-Xia book listing archetypes that fit the oriental theme, as well as some crunch that is specific to that setting. "Generic" crunch (even themed crunch) most likely belongs in the non-Golarion rulebooks.
Razz |
Cityscape sucks. Also, I somewhat doubt that the "yeah, let's not release a book on this and just point customers to our competition" argument crosses Paizo's minds a lot ;)
It was a horrible book, I admit. It was so underwhelming. Half the material being repeat of the DMG Web Enhancement was annoying, too.
Dungeonscape was much better, but still lacking. When WotC started penny-pinching and dropping their book page numbers down, I knew the inevitable was coming. The environmental books were 224+ pages, yet Dungeonscape and Cityscape, two environments that needed at least 224+ pages considering how common those areas are explored, got the shaft!
ON TOPIC: So, when're we getting a "Final Draft" for the Magus and some other tidbits from UM? It's only a little over a month away now!
Set |
The environmental books were 224+ pages, yet Dungeonscape and Cityscape, two environments that needed at least 224+ pages considering how common those areas are explored, got the shaft!
[tangent] Frostburn and Sandstorm were so darn good, too. Just dripping with useful stuff. Stormwrack was, IMO, still great, but not quite as amazing, and then Cityscape and Dungeonscape just fell flat, for me. They spoiled us with the early stuff. Indeed, that happened quite a bit. Draconomicon and Libris Mortis felt much more densely packed with good stuff, compared to Lords of Madness and Drow of the Underdark. [/tangent]