Starfinder Society: The End Of Fame

Wooot!

So no more fame is awarded as of today?

That ratio seems about half what it should be. Looking at the fame vs APC cost of things, things generally cost a bit more than twice as much ACP as fame. People almost always get 2 fame per game, occasionally missing one. So shouldn't we be getting at least 3, probably 4 ACP per game?

So no more fame is awarded as of today?

Fame hasn't been awarded since PaizoCon earlier this year.

That ratio seems about half what it should be. Looking at the fame vs APC cost of things, things generally cost a bit more than twice as much ACP as fame. People almost always get 2 fame per game, occasionally missing one. So shouldn't we be getting at least 3, probably 4 ACP per game?

Fame converted to AcP at a 2:1 ratio when we changed the boons to cost AcP. The reason we elected to go with 2 AcP per game is to balance out the fact that most characters have probably spent some Fame.

That ratio seems about half what it should be. Looking at the fame vs APC cost of things, things generally cost a bit more than twice as much ACP as fame. People almost always get 2 fame per game, occasionally missing one. So shouldn't we be getting at least 3, probably 4 ACP per game?

I think this assumes many will have spent their fame earlier on things that they will not have to rebuy using the ACP system... therefore 2 is a fair average. (HMMM... ummm ... we do not have to Rebuy anything we already spent fame on do we?)

James, if you want to see the whole proposal, I've linked to it.

Hmm

James Anderson wrote:

That ratio seems about half what it should be. Looking at the fame vs APC cost of things, things generally cost a bit more than twice as much ACP as fame. People almost always get 2 fame per game, occasionally missing one. So shouldn't we be getting at least 3, probably 4 ACP per game?

I think this assumes many will have spent their fame earlier on things that they will not have to rebuy using the ACP system... therefore 2 is a fair average. (HMMM... ummm ... we do not have to Rebuy anything we already spent fame on do we?)

Nope! Any boons purchased with Fame will function in perpetuity.

How will the Year of Scoured Stars boon be handled now? It seems like a good candidate to be integrated into the new boon system, but for some reason it hasn't.

To confirm, if your characters do not show all their sessions in Paizo, we need to panic and get this updated?

James Anderson wrote:

That ratio seems about half what it should be. Looking at the fame vs APC cost of things, things generally cost a bit more than twice as much ACP as fame. People almost always get 2 fame per game, occasionally missing one. So shouldn't we be getting at least 3, probably 4 ACP per game?

Fame converted to AcP at a 2:1 ratio when we changed the boons to cost AcP. The reason we elected to go with 2 AcP per game is to balance out the fact that most characters have probably spent some Fame.

That's fair I guess.

What about the Year of the Scoured Stars capstone boon? Now costs ACP instead of Fame? Or am I just blind and missed it?

Glad to see this happening! Thanks Alex and Hilary!

What about the Year of the Scoured Stars capstone boon? Now costs ACP instead of Fame? Or am I just blind and missed it?

Let's quote the blog:

Unapplied Fame

Any Fame that has been earned but not yet applied (e.g., from an Adventure or playing a pregen at a higher level) must be applied and spent by December 31. As Fame cannot be spent after that date, any unapplied and unspent Fame will be lost.

That means you still have to December 31st to purchase it. Go forth and apply it to characters that qualify!

Hmm

To confirm, if your characters do not show all their sessions in Paizo, we need to panic and get this updated?

"Don't panic! Save that for my games!"

"Find your towel (and your local Venture Captain, who can actually do something about this) and get these games updated!"

("I'm still not sure why you need your towel, but I'm told that it's helpful for leaky sentients like yourselves.")

Hoorah.
Now to pile all of my character ideas up and play single elimination death matches til I can decide the next to activate.

Thanks for the retroactive Fame.

The corruption boons (nanite Corruption) have a clause that allows you to spend 8 Fame to remove the corruption.
Will we get something for ACP that allows us to remove the corruption?

What about the Year of the Scoured Stars capstone boon? Now costs ACP instead of Fame? Or am I just blind and missed it?

The corruption boons (nanite Corruption) have a clause that allows you to spend 8 Fame to remove the corruption.

Will we get something for ACP that allows us to remove the corruption?

Good questions! These two boons were not flagged for us before now (or if they were, I totally missed/forgot it). I will take them to my meeting with Linda next week and we'll get you answers.

Several folks have mentioned the Year of Scoured Stars boon which requires spending Fame but has no AcP version at the moment.

There are by my count 16 other boons which exist in the current Guide but have no AcP equivalent. (All boons in the Guide note their cost in Fame & AcP or note they are not currently purchasable with AcP.)

Some of those seem likely destined for retirement. There are a few that it would be good to hear official word on, though:

* a way to remove Infamy with AcP (Basic Purchasing Plan and Untarnished Reputation allow this with Fame, but there is no AcP version)

* Team Spirit (discounts Raise Dead; the service is available in AcP but only at full price)

Will this be a one-time pass? To go along with the above comment, there are a number of sessions that I have that never got reported. I've been trying to get this resolved by connecting with the relevant GMs roughly since lockdown started (yes, over 1.5 years), but there are still a lot of issues.

If some of those issues are fixed, will there be extra AcP for them if the fix occurs after the 12th?

Will this be a one-time pass? To go along with the above comment, there are a number of sessions that I have that never got reported. I've been trying to get this resolved by connecting with the relevant GMs roughly since lockdown started (yes, over 1.5 years), but there are still a lot of issues.

If some of those issues are fixed, will there be extra AcP for them if the fix occurs after the 12th?

I have just finished going through and adjusting sessions. All currently reported sessions, and any future catchup sessions, will earn AcP. If you have an older session reported, you'll need to email me at orgplayreportingerrors@paizo.com to get it adjusted, but the system will work correctly.

And if you have a chronicle for a session that's not reported, you can send it to the same email and I can easily report it for you.

well at least got answer on my starfinder of note question finally :'D Guess no real point in buying it with remaining fame yet at least

Keldin wrote:

Will this be a one-time pass? To go along with the above comment, there are a number of sessions that I have that never got reported. I've been trying to get this resolved by connecting with the relevant GMs roughly since lockdown started (yes, over 1.5 years), but there are still a lot of issues.

If some of those issues are fixed, will there be extra AcP for them if the fix occurs after the 12th?

I have just finished going through and adjusting sessions. All currently reported sessions, and any future catchup sessions, will earn AcP. If you have an older session reported, you'll need to email me at orgplayreportingerrors@paizo.com to get it adjusted, but the system will work correctly.

And if you have a chronicle for a session that's not reported, you can send it to the same email and I can easily report it for you.

To be extra certain (since I feel a lot of people will need help getting games reported properly).

Is AcP granted correctly only for newly reported sessions, or will it be granted for sessions that are edited to fix errors? Eg: player numbers got entered wrong.

That is, what is the Best Practice for getting people’s games fixed?

I hope it's possible to salvage the old fame-using boons through AcP. The Scoured Stars storyline is really good and collecting all the pieces is a big but fun job. It would be a shame to throw away the final reward.

Any word on the Overcome the Past boon from 2-00? Does it just do nothing now?

Thank you! This is a fair compromise that's easy to implement.

I assume the Manifold Host Instructor boon will also be changed the same as the Luwazi/Ehu ones?

I also really hope Manifold Host Exemplar is getting patched since it is very unlikely I'll reach another 11 rep on that character by December unless I rush things.

("I'm still not sure why you need your towel, but I'm told that it's helpful for leaky sentients like yourselves.")[/b]

"Uhm.. we need the towel for sweat. yes. that is absolutely sweat. You don't have any ranks in life science by any chance do you? "

" Every Starfinder session played prior to May 31, 2021 will retroactively award 2 Achievement Points to both players and GMs. (emphasis added)

The original blog post used 28 May as the cut off between Fame and AcP.

PaizoCon Online 2021 was the weekend of the 28th through the 31st. Those sessions already earned AcP. Based on the wording above, the ones played at the Con (and elsewhere) on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday (but not on Monday the 31st) would now also earn 2 more bonus AcP each.

So why now make it "prior" to May 31st? Or was it supposed to be "prior to May 28th," the original switch over date?

(Not that I mind a few extra AcP, just trying to avoid misunderstandings and miscalculations if it was just a publishing error.)

...we do not currently have any definite plans to use the submissions in future products. If and when we decide to bring back fan submissions...

This is a bit of a bummer. The "living campaign" stuff with player interactivity, like Edu Hadif, Four for the First's election, Starfinders of Note, etc., was what got me really excited about Org Play, and a big part of why I went all-in on Starfinder & Starfinder Society (rather than, for instance, trying to pick up PFS2E and playing in both sandboxes.) It's really disappointing that it sounds like that's basically done, with no plans to change anytime soon.

To be fair I was never super happy with that boon and how it worked out with Ehu and the others, and that selection progress had some parts I personally disliked. There is a longer version of this, but essentially it felt like inviting fan fiction and that was not a positive aspect to me, as I enjoy other parts of this campaign.

To be fair I was never super happy with that boon and how it worked out with Ehu and the others, and that selection progress had some parts I personally disliked. There is a longer version of this, but essentially it felt like inviting fan fiction and that was not a positive aspect to me, as I enjoy other parts of this campaign.

Ummm... I'm not exactly sure what you mean with that?

Like none of the candidate characters felt particularly fanficcy to me. I could maybe see that if there was particularly silly characters included but yeah not really

It's also that that lot of scenario writers ARE long running Venture Officers, so aren't they fans doing writing as well?

none of the candidate characters felt particularly fanficcy to me.

Clearly you haven't played Four for the First ^_^

Jesse Lehto wrote:

none of the candidate characters felt particularly fanficcy to me.

Clearly you haven't played Four for the First ^_^

I expect some amount of that because, in the end, the candidates were all PCs that someone put a lot of personal attention into. But they didn't really feel like four similarly qualified characters with traits the Society would want.

I do have a question (suspect the answer is no, but anyway). I have a couple characters who I won't be using before the end of the year with Fame left over after buying all the boons worth having. Can I spend the rest of services to hold for later (such as purchasing a casting of restoration for the character to use later when it is needed)?

I miss the idea that player characters can run for First Seeker in the society. I loved the concept of Four for the First, and although Ehu was not my first choice, I did appreciate what the character offered.

And yes, a ton of scenario writers come from the ranks of Organized Play. In many ways, everything I create is fan-fiction -- but fan-fiction that honors canon, and has been reviewed and tweaked by editors who are also fans of the setting and characters.

Hmm

When discussing Four for the First, I think it's important to look back on that first First Seeker Election, in the context of its time. It happened, what, roughly 1.5 years into the Starfinder Society's existence? Very few people had the ability to get a character up to the required Fame and Reputation in time for that first cut. I'd have to go back and check, but I seem to vaguely recall Org Play people saying there was a pool of roughly 30 "Starfinders of Note" to draw from, and that they were almost exclusively peoples' -701s and -702s. If the four candidates from Four for the First felt like initial characters from the program's infancy, that's because they were peoples' first characters from the program's infancy :)

I'm not saying this to put down those characters, but rather contextualize them. The options, inspirations, and (for lack of a better term) feel of Starfinder were all much smaller, and narrower, back then. The ideas and zeitgeist were still forming. The concepts for what was possible in Starfinder were simpler. Back then, no one knew who Datch is, how a vanguard works, what a Vault Lord is, or even why Suzi has been voted "Most Snuggly Accountant" for two years running.

Compare that to what a new "all call for X Position" could look like now. How many "Starfinders of Note" must there be now? Surely hundreds, maybe even thousands. That Cantina Feel is such a great part of what makes Starfinder, and I'd love to see someone's -708 giant floating brain reality-warper, or a -721 space-cephalopod mad doctor, or who knows what other -7XX crazy concepts the delightful gaggle of Starfinder Society players have concocted! "Rockstar Lennon Walrus" was amazing to see in 2-07, and I want more of that in my Society :D (Okay, point taken, maybe not every oddball character has the chops to be First Seeker, but - nearly every character could rock the hell out of some position, I'm sure!)

(I realize that the larger pool of candidates, as well as the larger pool of options for those candidates, makes the thought of another player-sourced NPC search exponentially more difficult... SufferingFromSuccess.jpeg)

#thewalruswasrobbed

:)

The corruption boons (nanite Corruption) have a clause that allows you to spend 8 Fame to remove the corruption.
Will we get something for ACP that allows us to remove the corruption?

I cannot locate this boon, can someone point me in the right direction?

Signal of Screams?

Nope, that one doesn't have any Fame purchases involved. It's also Shadow Corruption, not Nanite Corruption.

Nope, that one doesn't have any Fame purchases involved. It's also Shadow Corruption, not Nanite Corruption.

If I recall correctly, it was a Regional Support Program boon.

Alex Speidel wrote:

Nope, that one doesn't have any Fame purchases involved. It's also Shadow Corruption, not Nanite Corruption.

If I recall correctly, it was a Regional Support Program boon.

I never got one so I'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure I remember a bunch of other folks winning Nanite Corruption from Boon Rolls during online sanctioned conventions circa late 2018 / early 2019, if that helps. It was one of the choices floating around back then. I recall a few folks winning them at CritterCon 2019, and then a few showed up in the boon trading thread like May 2019ish?

Nope, that one doesn't have any Fame purchases involved. It's also Shadow Corruption, not Nanite Corruption.

The Boon is Nanite Corruption (2019 RSP Boon 3)

Aw, man. That would've been right around the time a player of mine wanted to create a PC with a nanite corruption-type theme and I guided her in a different direction because I didn't feel like writing up an entire corruption from scratch.

I have been sent the boon, thanks all. I should have answers to the questions in this thread within the next couple of weeks, once Linda and I have time to sit down and go through them!

I'm still kicking myself for not waiting to give my highest-level PC the Year of Scoured Stars boon until AFTER another PC qualified for it, because that first PC still has 30+ Fame, and none of my other PCs ever got more than about half that before Fame stopped being awarded.

(OTOH, I'll finally be earning my 8th segment just as soon as I finish my first PBP...)

So if none of our old sessions have transferred over we need to mail you at orgplayreportingerrors@paizo.com ?

So if none of our old sessions have transferred over we need to mail you at orgplayreportingerrors@paizo.com ?

If you mean you're not seeing the AcP grant from games before this summer, make sure you click the refresh button. Can confirm I had to do that myself about 12 hours ago to be able to see mine, and at least one other person did so about 8 hours ago.

Can confirm that messages sent there will work and be read by the OPC; he also asked us VOs to spread the word / remind everyone about refreshing so as many people as possible can have it fixed instantly instead of waiting on an email conversation.

(If you mean something else by 'transfer,' tell us more, please.)

Gamerskum wrote:

So if none of our old sessions have transferred over we need to mail you at orgplayreportingerrors@paizo.com ?

If you mean you're not seeing the AcP grant from games before this summer, make sure you click the refresh button. Can confirm I had to do that myself about 12 hours ago to be able to see mine, and at least one other person did so about 8 hours ago.

Can confirm that messages sent there will work and be read by the OPC; he also asked us VOs to spread the word / remind everyone about refreshing so as many people as possible can have it fixed instantly instead of waiting on an email conversation.

(If you mean something else by 'transfer,' tell us more, please.)

And by 'click the refresh button,' I mean go to your My Organized Play page (https://paizo.com/organizedplay/myAccount), then the 'GM/Event Coordinator' tab and click the 'Refresh Points' button.

(You probably know that, but just in case, since that tab isn't necessarily the first place people might think to look.)

Can confirm. Was ignoring the tab because I hadn't GM'd lately due to tables not firing and RL issues, and one click...

...it's full of S-ACP! *bleeep*

I love that button so much. It fixes literally 95% of the AcP-related issues. That button is my best friend in the whole world and I hope it never leaves me.