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The plan is to run Raiders of Shrieking Peak with the Resonance Test rules.t would be best if you downloaded the "resonance test" document to access the Pre-gens and read up a little bit on how it works. The Resonance Test Link.
In summary, the changes to resonance and how it works is below:
Resonance points: 10 per character, items with the invested trait require investment of 1 resonance point.
Spell points: No spell points
Focus Points: 1+Cha mod; Used for casting powers from class and altering activation of some magic items.
Item activation: Don't usually require focus points, but is stated on the specific item what action is require to activate. (Items are all listed in the Resonance test document)
I'll give everyone till next weekend for prep, or if everyone has selected their pregens and is ready, we can kick off immediately. If folks prefer to play at 1.6 rules without resonance test, let me know and we'll play it by ear.
Hello! I'd like to join you. I've been GMing my home group for the playtest but haven't actually gotten to play yet. I'd like to try one of the martial pregens for the resonance test, preferably Amiri.
Sweet, thanks Elinnea!
Thanks, GM Batpony for letting me join.
Of the pregens remaining, I'll choose MERISIEL.
Posting with Merisiel's Alias
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GM Batpony -
I'm not sure the seeking action is the correct action to use to find the hidden Minotaur. Seeking only extends 30ft at the most and the closest Minotaur is 60ft??? So Merisiel can't spot them by RAW.
if the Minotaurs are hiding then wouldn't their stealth vs the PC's passive percpetion DC determine if they were sensed? In which case Merisiel's passive perception is DC 18 which means she sees/sense them. The question is would that be automatic are would it take an action?
Also, if they are in cover does that mean they are sensed or seen? does an attacker still need to roll a flat 11 to have a chance to hit them?
If the stealth tactic means the character sneaks around with their eyes closed it may have limited usefulness.
on the other hand, if you are actively searching I would think the passive perception DC should be higher than a normal skill+10. Otherwise, searching gives you no advantage over any other perception based exploration tactics.
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if the Minotaurs are hiding then wouldn't their stealth vs the PC's passive percpetion DC determine if they were sensed? In which case Merisiel's passive perception is DC 18 which means she sees/sense them. The question is would that be automatic are would it take an action?
Thanks for pointing this out, something always bugged me about initiative and I couldn't figure it out until now. You're absolutely right on this, for whatever reason I'd assume that Stealth was vs Perception roll, as oppose to Perception DC.
This was a bit confusing for me they ask you to use "sneak" for the initiative and compare it against others perception, but if we treat it by RAW would mean if you rolled a high perception, but have a low perception DC, you would be acting first without any indication of danger? How does that make sense?
if the Minotaurs are hiding then wouldn't their stealth vs the PC's passive percpetion DC determine if they were sensed? In which case Merisiel's passive perception is DC 18 which means she sees/sense them. The question is would that be automatic are would it take an action?
Definitely would say that it is free, but would say that they are sensed as opposed to seen. Here's where I think the searching probably does better, if you were searching, the perception initiative would then be a free "seek" action to make theme seen as oppose to just sense. All these are not explicitly written, but if I interpret the rules by intent, this makes the most sense to me and would address the benefit of "searching" prior to encounter mode.
I recognize that the seek action states 30ft and 15foot burst, but that's for "unseen" creatures. I would argue if the creature is sensed, you can then seek it up to your line of sight since you know the general whereabouts. If they were sensed, only and not seen then flat 11 would apply.
What do you guys think? For the interest of current combat, I ask that we continue with my previously wrong ruling for now to keep things going, but I will sleep on this and make it clear prior to the next combat on how this should work in my latest interpretation. I understand the intent of the mechanics, but having perception DCs is just way too confusing in my opinion...
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I thought about it and here's now how I think the ruling and relative tactics should work with regards to initiative.
Sneak vs Perception DC, if the creature's sneak is higher than PC, PCs should immediately fall below creature in initiative (the creature is unsensed and unseen, no reason to react), unless the PC was using the searching tactic. Perception roll off for initiative will just decide which PC acts first after the ambush/hidden creature acts.
Searching, If the PC was using the searching tactic, their initiative roll is also a free "seek" action (If sensed by Perception DC and search roll is higher than sneak: creature becomes Seen; If unsensed by perception DC and search roll is higher than sneak: creature becomes sensed) This would address a mechanical benefit searching has for initiative, but I'm obviously ignoring the "30 feet cone" range for seek action.
Now the question is, do you guys agree? If so, do we want to continue combat as is, or try to follow the above ruling and restart combat since we're not far off... let me know your thoughts.
This has bugged me too. This seems plausible, but is it how it was intended to work?
Additionally, I was going to take the Seeking Tactic, but the way I read it, it's in all ways inferior to Defend. I still roll Perception, but now I also have my shield up.... unless I'm missing something.
How about the following:
Initiative Order based on exploration tactics:
Any creatures Sneaking/Hiding are undetected at the start of encounter mode.
Non-Sneaking creatures are sensed as normal at the start of an encounter.
Undetected creature become sensed if called out or attacked by an ally. Undetected creatures become sensed after taking an non-Sneaking action. Or other event that calls attention to an unseen foe.
Sensed creature without cover are seen.
1) All creatures roll their initiative:
2) On your initiative, if your Perception DC is greater than your foe’s stealth then they are sensed to you. Creatures using Searching or Watching tactics can use either their perception roll or Perception DC to determine if foe is sensed.
On your character’s first round of initiative if all foes are undetected, then you must delay until you sense a foe or alerted by an ally to an unseen foe or other event.
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That's certainly makes sense and simplifies it, but I'm still impartial to immediately delaying a character if the creature is unsensed (no opportunity for ally to point out). Just because of how surprised round worked mechanically.
Might have to let that go though, or it just messes/complicates things.
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That's certainly makes sense and simplifies it, but I'm still impartial to immediately delaying a character if the creature is unsensed (no opportunity for ally to point out). Just because of how surprised round worked mechanically.
Might have to let that go though, or it just messes/complicates things.
Actually, the forced delay for unaware characters (with no opportunity for allies to point out) would work better for PbP and simplify the rule even more.
Happy Holidays!
Holidays usually slow down games.
It's just slow. I'm okay with it. My goal is to learn more about the mechanics of the Playtest. So far I've learned they seriously gimped the crud out of magic. I'm glad to hear they are going to amp it up in the final version.
Back!
Sorta back! Next two days is mostly Pathfinder, Starfinder, and whiskey...
1904-501, please.
11016-501
1824-1501
205984-1503
All set and thank you!
I'm fine as long as it is in the digital reporting system. I haven't seen the Playtest need any physical sheet for anything since we can't take anything we do in it to 2e.