
Arimar |

I feel ya on that one, mate! Mine killed me so much that it carried over for an additional week. All good.

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Unless you get sick, there is no such thing as spring break killing you. Ours is next week, and I can't wait. It might kill my post rate, but it won't kill me... :) sunshine and warm weather, family and drinks by the pool. No work. Emphasise that last part... no.... work. :)
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Kaddren |

Heh. I miss Spring Break. Now it only kills productivity when there's a three week range of a quarter of the office taking time off for an extended period of time.

TheBobJones_GM |

Unless you get sick,there is no such thing as spring break killing you. Ours is next week, and I can't wait. It might kill my post rate, but it won't kill me... :) sunshine and warm weather, family and drinks by the pool. No work. Emphasise that last part... no.... work. :)
This - lots of this.

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Heh. I miss Spring Break. Now it only kills productivity when there's a three week range of a quarter of the office taking time off for an extended period of time.
Someone here at work thought it would be a good idea to have a mini-shutdown next week. 75% of the engineering department is going to be gone, including our on-site construction management resources. I heard the maintenance group had to reject vacation requests there were so many.
It feels like half the plant is going to be gone during one of the few times when it is ideal to get maintenance and engineering work done.
Oi.
I won't be here though, and all my ducks are lining up nicely for when I am gone.... I just feel a little sorry for my boss...
Only a little though. That white sand beach will make me feel better, of that I am sure.

Kaddren |

Apologies, my video card died last night and I didn't have time to do a proper post by phone. I really should have put that out of its misery when it couldn't run Fallout ;)

Arimar |

Fallout 4, surely. If it couldn't run the original, then wow.
Also:
"any confrontation you can walk away from without being afflicted by fungus in awkward-to-explain-in-delicate-situations is for the best"
Loved that. Just loved it.

Kaddren |

Yeah, Fallout 4, although it's had a bad run of not being able to play recent titles (looking at you Dragon Age: Inquisition.) It still plays (played?) World of Warcraft, but it's going on ~5 years old, so it's time for an upgrade.
Also, thanks. I enjoy writing Kaddren because he pushes me to come up with stuff that makes me chuckle for hours afterwards.

Arimar |

It's hard to get a lay of the land (slopes and obstacles and all). Would we have full cover from the harpies until we came past the sides of the temple? Is there a path we could take that would grant full cover?
Also, does the temple have a roof of any kind? We could go through it instead and negate their flying edge.
Also, make ready on those action points for the saves, boys. Gwen, might be a good idea to have a countersong ready if you have on that works on harpies.

Gwendolyn "Cadence" Mehra |

...Gwen, might be a good idea to have a countersong ready if you have on that works on harpies.
Good idea, I'll have Gwen get her violin at the ready so she can countersong immediately when needed. Or hopefully, start a countersong in a sunrise round so the harpies never get a change to hit us with their song.

TheBobJones_GM |

Great questions.
There is no difficult terrain. The cliff is 30 feet high.
Temple - partial roof, the harpies fly into the temple and out of the temple and it doesn't really hamper them. Around the perimeter and 10 feet into the temple is considered partial concealment, further in than 10 feet is total concealment.
Does that answer all your questions?

Arimar |

I think so. Let's go in through the temple. We can at least use the partial rooftops for cover from attacks coming from above and use the walls to make it hard for them to maneuver.
Hopefully the distance, 'sound through a wall' and concealment modifiers help us out a lot here... as well as the modifiers for conversing and otherwise being 'distracted' by their current meal. Eep.
Hold on to your butts. --> Samuel L. Jackson-ese for "Get ready to use some action points"
Oh, and as some food for thought going in to this situation... here's something grossly unfair about the d20 system... there's a 19 point variance, and with that, we have to each make a stealth check and they get to each make a perception check. That means we take the worst of 4 rolls and they take the best of 4 rolls.
I think I've seen it house-ruled before as a single roll at the spotters' best perception modifier vs the sneakers' worst stealth modifier. Far more fair, given the range of the d20 system likely gives them a +15 (or greater) effective bonus on their check.
Another option might be to force everyone in this situation to take 10.
Anyway, just food for thought from a mathematical perspective.
FYI, in AD&D 1st Ed, you find the party modifier. This party modifier has penalties for larger parties (penalties for listening and moving silently, since large parties tend to make distracting noises) and bonuses for small creatures, etc (since the smaller you are, the quieter you are). The roll is then on a D6 - which has a satisfyingly small amount of variance. Ah, the good old days. Whatever happened?

TheBobJones_GM |

All good points there - there will be a nice modifier for distance and distraction. Also, I did give you the 'jump' on them.

Arimar |

Heh. Thanks mate. I don't mean to be pushy, but I think you know I have my gripes about Pathfinder. That said, we're playing it and you should never feel pressured to do anything other than whatever you like as GM.
The more I re-read of 1st Ed, the more I really can't wait for the first weekend in May!

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Back tonight guys, will definitely post by tomorrow. So sorry for holding things up. You can roll my stealth checks for me if it helps. I'll move slowly if that helps my modifier.
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TheBobJones_GM |

Heh. Thanks mate. I don't mean to be pushy, but I think you know I have my gripes about Pathfinder. That said, we're playing it and you should never feel pressured to do anything other than whatever you like as GM.
The more I re-read of 1st Ed, the more I really can't wait for the first weekend in May!
Looking forward to it to.

TheBobJones_GM |

Back tonight guys, will definitely post by tomorrow. So sorry for holding things up. You can roll my stealth checks for me if it helps. I'll move slowly if that helps my modifier.
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Looked for it - couldn't find it. If it is more than 6 with modifiers taking 10 like Arimar, you are all good. If below, we roll for int.
Posting note - Gwen is going to be slow posting, so we can bot her as necessary. Once Benaiah settles back into real life we can move this along.

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Ok, just a note. Benaiah has consumed the following buffs:
Strength Mutagen
Phantom Blood
Enlarge Person
Bull's Strength
Shield
My tag line is not correct, and unfortunately I don't have the time to figure it out, and I am meekly crying out for leniency as I rely on Hero lab (not currently at my disposal) to save me from myself.
I will make sure I get it updated tonight when I can verify the proper numbers. So sorry for the continued delay!!!

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Tagline is up to date reflecting all current buffs. Will change again when I rage, but that should be easy enough to modify.
cocked, locked and ready to rock doc

Arimar |

Sorry for the delay. I had the early morning yesterday to post, and then no time at all.

Kaddren |

In 3.5, I once had a player with a wizard that was notoriously ill-prepared for combat. The wizard was a divination specialist with a variety of information gathering spells... that did absolutely nothing when hostilities broke out, so "I sit and read a book" became his frequent combat round. This became a running joke for a while, and a way to poke at people that had one dimensional characters.

TheBobJones_GM |

I got caught up with family stuff on my day off. I'll try to move this along sometime today or early tomorrow morning.

Kaddren |

Kaddren hasn't cast Flaming Sphere; it wasn't one of his prepared spells, so he was subbing out Invisibility for it.
GM question: Would you rule that directing a Flaming Sphere to enter the space of an opponent breaks the Invisibility? It's a gray area. Second tactical question: Is there a roofed place in the ruins that could be shot? Asking for a friend that doesn't want to be a pincushion.

TheBobJones_GM |

Kaddren hasn't cast Flaming Sphere; it wasn't one of his prepared spells, so he was subbing out Invisibility for it.
GM question: Would you rule that directing a Flaming Sphere to enter the space of an opponent breaks the Invisibility? It's a gray area. Second tactical question: Is there a roofed place in the ruins that could be shot? Asking for a friend that doesn't want to be a pincushion.
** spoiler omitted **
Yes it would break invisibility because the AoE would contain a harpy, i.e. a foe.
The harpies are currently above the roof and the roof is so dilapidated that there isn't much there.

Arimar |

Benaiah the Heretic wrote:How the F*$& did we not think of this ahead of time? he scolds himself.Not for the last time, the GM did think the same thing.
We actually did consider it. We were making for the temple so we could use the roof and/or hard cover to force them in low (or at least close). Then Benaiah decided to roll instead of taking 10 on his stealth... ;-)
Best laid plans and all that. It's all good, clean, butt puckering fun.

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well taking 10 would have only given me a 5... which I assumed would have screwed us up... :P
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Arimar |

Heh. I think the GM actually said it wouldn't, but I could have been misreading things... not to mention meta-gaming. I was just digging in the elbow, mate. ;-)
* Reads up... no, he said 6+ not 5+. :-P