Flaxseed Lodge (PFS1)

Game Master Redelia

I would like a VO ruling, please:

Can a Wayang Shadow Puppeteer only ever conjure *1* Shadow Puppet? It says so initially, but initially it is only referring to what's possible at 1st-level, and then it says it goes on to function as increasing levels of summon monster, which normally includes the option of summoning multiple lower-level monsters. I would point out for your consideration that a more restrictive interpretation of this would present the problem of strongly disincentivizing the Shadow Puppeteer from ever conjuring anything of a lower-than-maximum level.

It acts like summon monster so as it increases to summon monster II it states: This spell functions like summon monster I, except that you can summon one creature from the 2nd-level list or 1d3 creatures of the same kind from the 1st-level list.

So you can summon multiple lower level.

Great to know! Thanks!

Some time ago, this character was invited to join an Emerald Spire party once they'd finished with "The Drowned Level". What ever happened to that???

Bored Kineticists are dangerous....

So, still no contact on this; anyone know what the story is?

Yep. Long, long hiatus. The GM is really struggling to move it along. Good intentions but it seems he just can't muster what it needs to get it going again. A pity since we have been stuck in the final battle for a long, long time.

Of course it is not optimal that players have their characters in a paused game and can’t play them in other games. I don’t know the situation but especially in case of a GM running through an AP or the ENTIRE emerald spire it is absolutely natural that real life - which is of course more important than a game - can lead to long breaks in a game. Sometimes not even proper expectation management is possible as life has unexpected turns.

Poor little gnome is bobbing in the water. Life certainly happens, I will just be happy to escape the level alive. LOL. The Drowned Level is wild.

Yep, none of us are complaining or, really, feel like complaining. I for one have enough games going and characters available that it really is no burden on me. But I am a blunt sort of person and honestly and bluntly answered. Having reread my message, I wish I had been more diplomatic.

I'm not forgotten, though, right?

I'd like to hear another ruling: How does Three Reasons to Live work with Wayang Shadow Puppets - could it grant me access to higher levels of monsters, or not (e.g. summon monster V at my current level, or conceivably even summon monster IX at 19th level)?

It is a pretty broken interaction of a unique magic item and a specialist archetype.

As they are written, I think they would work together, as there are only two bardic improvisations for that archetype.

It would possibly make combat in any adventure you used the upscaled version on somewhat trivial.

Yet another reason I only GM core these days.

I’m not sure you can use the horn to start a shadow puppet performance however.

Good point. When a bard uses the horn to start a bardic performance, all effects of that performance are calculated as if the bard were 6 levels higher.

However Shadow puppetry uses Perform (act), and requires a light source.

Yet another reason I only GM core these days.

It's a pity there's no middle ground between "Standard" and "Core Only" - I could've been enticed to get involved with, say, a version that was restricted to Core PLUS Advanced Player's Guide (maybe minus Summoner, since so many people balk at it) and the expanded kits/feats/spells for the classes in that book from Ultimate Magic/Ultimate Combat (maybe Magi, but no Gunslingers/Samurai/Ninja).

I would be happy with CORE + archetypes for those classes.

I would be happy with CORE + archetypes for those classes.

That would not be bad, either - especially if they were rather liberal in what sourcebooks the kits could be from.

Some expansion to feats and spells would still be good, in that instance.

This is another discussion that comes up from time to time, but we know nothing's going to happen.

Nothing's stopping anyone from playing games outside PFS with whatever sources they like, but CORE is what it is, and Standard is what it is.

Campaign Mode is perfect for that kind of thing too. Page 12 of the players guide has all the info on that.

I plan (way down the road, 1-2 years probably) to run an AP with similar rules for PC's as those mentioned above.

Huzzah for Campaign mode!

Not that it's really my place, but hasn't this changed into a Discussion Tab kind of thing?

Yup. Sometimes we forget where we are, and just keep talking wherever the conversation started. Thanks for understanding.

"KNOW YOUR PLACE, SINNER! Do not make us send you to...'The Easily-Accessible Alternate Forum'!!! BAAAA-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!"

Are there comfy chairs?

"*gasp*...'Comfy Chairs'?! What do you take us for, complete monsters???"

There are plenty of comfy chairs while you sit and review the legal documents, but no such thing as comfort after you sign your soul away.

So, my question still stands.
Is it legal/allowed to just complete one book of an AP, other than the first book, for a chronicle?

So, my question still stands.

Is it legal/allowed to just complete one book of an AP, other than the first book, for a chronicle?

If you only run the sanctioned content, and assign the chronicles to the PFS-legal characters that played that content, the answer is an unequivocal YES. If you are running in Campaign Mode, it's murkier, but I think the answer is no; though there may be some flexibility around players dropping out due to life and other players joining up to replace the original characters. But I don't think you can just run Book 4 independantly in Campaign Mode.

I have run a couple APs (Kingmaker & Reign of Winter) where we did start with book one, but, both games dissolved due to life partway through (by book 3 or 4). I handed out chronicles for each book completed. It just makes sense to start at the beginning and make it through as much as possible even if you don't finish.
I can see why they made a few of the first books replayable/available for credit even if you're not doing the rest of the AP.

My point is; I could see it as "chronicle fishing" if a group decides to just do book 4 of an AP.

Zin Z'arin is correct.

Alternatively, if you are participating in the Shattered Star Adventure Path with an ongoing group undertaking the entire, six-chapter campaign, you may receive credit for playing the sanctioned portions of the adventure as if you had played a pregenerated character. In this case, GMs running the Adventure Path are not bound to the rules of the Pathfinder Society Organized Play campaign (such as 20-point buy, unavailability of hero points, etc.) when running the campaign or the sanctioned portion of the adventure. Pathfinder Society characters and characters from an ongoing Adventure Path campaign may not play in the same adventure.

Each sanctioned adventure has its own rules but most follow the example I quote. Bold is my emphasis. While there may be some leeway for real-life events requiring the release or substitution of one or more players, the intent is for the full AP to be played for credit. Choosing to only play a single book in campaign mode is an acceptable choice for a home group but does not qualify for PFS credit.

So in other words while individual members may change, the group itself doesn't?

I have a query regarding faction missions.

I am planning to run a season one scenario once I have wrapped up my current modules.

All of the prestige points that can be earned in the scenario are earned by completing faction missions.

Does that mean that Grand Lodge, Silver Crusade and Concordance PCs cannot earn any PP from this adventure?

No, faction missions are all strictly optional and have no effect on PP. For older scenarios PP conditions are all listed in the Secondary Success Conditions document. (Give me a bit and I'll try and find a link).

My search-fu is strong: Secondary Success Conditions

^This also defines the primary success condition.

No, faction missions are all strictly optional and have no effect on PP. For older scenarios PP conditions are all listed in the Secondary Success Conditions document. (Give me a bit and I'll try and find a link).

My search-fu is strong: Secondary Success Conditions

^This also defines the primary success condition.

Thank you!

I knew I was missing a piece of the puzzle.

There is at least one scenario from season 1 that uses the old faction mission system for its prestige. There is somewhere in the guide to organized play that details this, but the GL and Concordance factions treat Osirion as their faction if need be in, and Silver Crusade treats the Andoran faction theirs.

Whilst members of the current range of factions may count older faction missions as their own, nevertheless:

Faction missions no longer count toward the success conditions of a scenario. The primary and secondary success conditions grant 1 Prestige Point each

All Season 1 scenarios have secondary success conditions defined in the Secondary Success Conditions document.

All Season 1 scenarios have secondary success conditions defined in the Secondary Success Conditions document.

Supervillain may just have remembered the season wrong. See #2-22, Eyes of the Ten (Part 4).

Looks like there are two exceptions, both in Season 2 and detailed in the Secondary Success Conditions document.

Sorry for any confusion, I meant "Ultra Plus my just have remembered the season wrong" in my previous post.

Hey everyone, looks like there is another great Humble Bundle available.

Humble Bundles are an excellent way to gather a lot of great books for a cheap price.

Undead Slayers Handbook is in the $5 bundle. It's the source of the feat Weapon Versatility which is pretty valuable for characters focused or limited to a single weapon like swashbucklers, especially Inspired Blade swash's.

It's the source of the feat Weapon Versatility which is pretty valuable for characters focused or limited to a single weapon like swashbucklers, especially Inspired Blade swash's.

Funny thing...somehow that feat strikes me as simultaneously underpowered AND overpowered, and no, that doesn't mean it balances out; somehow it manages to miss the mark on BOTH ends simultaneously.

Hi folks. This is my first time dipping my toes in the PFS waters in a few years. I haven't done much online yet (or at all, really) and I have questions.

Are most of the games here run in standard mode? Does anyone play core? At this point, I don't own much beyond the core rulebook. I'm content to limit myself to the options in that book for now, but I'm wondering how great an impact playing what is essentially a core character in standard rules would have? For example, if I get a chronicle sheet that lists items that aren't in the CRB, am I prohibited from purchasing them for my character until I own the corresponding Paizo book?

Either way, I'm excited to get back into role-playing. I'm putting together a character now.

Shifting conversation over to the discussion tab.

First of all welcome! We have a mix of PFS standard and Core here at this Lodge. Limiting to the core rulebook will be just fine in either standard or core, just keep in mind that a core character can only play in core games and once they play a standard game they are no longer considered core.

If building a character with feats and such beyond the core rulebook you must own the book or resource.

The Additional Resources page lists what items, classes, spells, feats, and other character options are legal from books published by Paizo, Inc. To use such an option, you must have a legal source in which it appears, as well as a copy of the current version of the Additional Resources list (paizo.com/pathfindersociety/rpg/additional).

At this point, I don't own much beyond the core rulebook. I'm content to limit myself to the options in that book for now, but I'm wondering how great an impact playing what is essentially a core character in standard rules would have?

I know where you're coming from. I have a few characters that I built for PFS using only the CRB back in 2010-2011. Even as other books became available and I created more PCs using new books, I still play those three original PCs in standard games with 99% of stuff from the CRB. My ranger, wizard, and rogue/shadowdancer are all levels 10+ now and have done just fine in standard games through the years.

For example, if I get a chronicle sheet that lists items that aren't in the CRB, am I prohibited from purchasing them for my character until I own the corresponding Paizo book?

There are two possibilities here: items listed on the chronicle sheet, and items with rules printed on the chronicle sheet.

• If the complete rules for the items are printed on the chronicle sheet, then the chronicle sheet is enough; you may purchase that item up to any quantity limit shown.
• If it's just the item name that's listed on the chronicle sheet, however, then you must also own a source rulebook that details the rules for the item as well.

I hope that helps!

Thanks for the feedback. I've got a ranger ready to go now. I guess I'll throw him into whatever game comes up first, core or standard.

Dealan wrote:

For example, if I get a chronicle sheet that lists items that aren't in the CRB, am I prohibited from purchasing them for my character until I own the corresponding Paizo book?

There are two possibilities here: items listed on the chronicle sheet, and items with rules printed on the chronicle sheet.

• If the complete rules for the items are printed on the chronicle sheet, then the chronicle sheet is enough; you may purchase that item up to any quantity limit shown.
• If it's just the item name that's listed on the chronicle sheet, however, then you must also own a source rulebook that details the rules for the item as well.

I hope that helps!

Hrmm does this apply to CORE campaign as well? I thought only needing the Core Rulebook was the main reasoning behind it.

It applies to the Core campaign as well.

Let's say you're playing a Core game and you get a chronicle sheet after successfully completing the game. Two of the rewards are a wand of snowball with 6 charges and a lantern of spirit sight. However, the chronicle lists the item info for the lantern (a special item unique to the scenario) but not for the spell snowball. You would need to own the source of the snowball spell to purchase the wand, but not the source for the lantern since it's on the chronicle.

Hello, I'm new to Pbp and still fairly new to table top rpg's. I played several sessions of Pathfinder 1e. It's been a couple years though and I want to jump back in.

Welcome Tarlun! Glad to have you on board. If you have any questions on getting set up please don't be afraid to ask. This is a very helpful community that will help get you set up and gaming in no time.

If anyone has a lower tier game starting soon please reserve a space for Tarlun and Dealan.

Has anyone else been experiencing massive burnout lately?

Has anyone else been experiencing massive burnout lately?

Not at all. It’s Christmas!! :-D

Happy holidays everyone!!