Anyone know some good fiendish powers that I could look at involving movement, or better yet, suppression of others movement?
Can anyone think of some abilities that I could look at that have to do with eating things?=
Gotta take things one step at a time. XD
Besides, Sariel has the Legalistic curse (which, admittedly, she'll probably overcome when she goes Mythic) - she's not going to lie to people when the truth can be ever so much more tempting. And the truth is that she can make like a genie and grant the desires of mortals. XD
Sorry, Johnny, answered your question as you posted that.
Looking at 49 normal, 24 touch, 41 flat footed.
Edit: oh yeah, and I can cast both my magus and wizard spells without a problem. Celestial Plate/mithral for the win!
Sorry, Johnny, answered your question as you posted that.
Looking at 49 normal, 24 touch, 41 flat footed.
Damn, I'm only pulling a 36 total. I thought it was pretty high but I guess that's not the case. Ah well, I can still hold out hope of having a ludicrous Initiative score.
Don't feel bad, my actual body is just bones and a set of Celestial Plate. Plus, I have a lot of stackable bonus, from templates and stuff.
I'm pretty similar to you, Johnnycat. XD But then, I plan to stay out of melee as much as possible. Best to avoid getting hit at all.
Edit: Also, I think bonuses from Templates don't stack.
You may also use levels from any side of the gestalt to acquire templates, with the calculation of (level=CR-1, mimunim of 1). These templates DO NOT grant any ability score bonuses and any DR, SR, AC, or similar bonuses from templates DO NOT STACK, with you only receiving the highest of any particular one that you possess.
I'm sitting at 26 now with just racials and templates alone.
Given that one of my classes is going to be 10 Aegis that is bound to get much higher.
Just realized that a (non-mythic) Pit Fiend only hits my 49 on a 17.
That's....fantastic.
I GM myself, and I know how hard it can be to compensate for crazy-powerful characters... so I try to avoid going overboard. XD In-combat, anyway. Outside of it? Well, let's just say I have a Diplomacy of "yes".
You, me, we're gonna have a diplomacy-off when we're done building characters :D (though I did prioritize bluff over diplo)...
Edit: For example, Sariel would be more likely to show herself to someone outside and have them scan her - one of her abilities lets her appear as any alignment she wants.
I have that too! The Lady of Laughter uses it to appear to struggling artists as an Angelic muse, then uses her magic to force them to keep painting/composing/sculpting until they go mad, creating a unique and valuable piece of art in the process.
Yeah, looks like i will have to buy some ingrained +Stat items, since i built a MAD character where I basically need every score.
MAD club! I managed to accidentally stat a build that requires near-equal amounts of Str, Dex, Con, Wis, Int, and Cha to be effective in melee combat.
T-T
A-at least i have my stoneplate...
Right guys?
@Thunderbeard: That sounds rather Fey. XD Sariel CAN bluff, she just generally doesn't. As mentioned above, she has reasons to not lie. Besides, Hell usually punishes liars...
Hmm. Str for melee, Int for casting, Cha for HP/DC's of abilities, and Dex (somewhat) for AC.
In a tristalt game like this, there's really no way (without unbalancing one ability score, like Cha-to-everything oradins) to create a truly SAD character.
Of course, the nature of this game makes it slightly easier to be a little MAD.
@Thunderbeard: That sounds rather Fey. XD Sariel CAN bluff, she just generally doesn't. As mentioned above, she has reasons to not lie. Besides, Hell usually punishes liars...
Considering I'm a Fey-bloodline sorcerer... I'll take it.
Meanwhile, my AC's clocking in at around 40, though that may go up or down as I budget my minor magic items and last few RP in response to fallen powers.
Yup. I really only need Charisma and Dexterity, but I'm trying to keep all of my other abilities reasonably decent as well. ^^ Given what the GM's implied he'll be throwing at us, having any glaring weaknesses sounds like a bad idea.
Anyone know some good fiendish powers that I could look at involving movement, or better yet, suppression of others movement?Can anyone think of some abilities that I could look at that have to do with eating things?=Forever Gullet
Beauty XD
Love them :)As for AC, the Dread Devourer has an unfortunate +13 increase to NA, so he will be pretty durable...
I'll definitely be posting my build here, on an alias, to see if y'all can find any glaring weaknesses.
So far, I'm not seeing any.
@Gobo- geeze, +13? What do you give up for that?
Edit: Wow, that's a fantastic template. By any chance, are you going for the Herald of Famine, given the "hunger theme"? That'd make us both immune to each others' special attacks.
Actually you CAN make an entirely SAD character with trisalt, think of Oracle/Sorcerer/Paladin for instance.
Movement dude will be mostly int/Dex focused but will need con and cha at least a decent amount.
Hungry dude will mostly be Str/Cha focused but some Dex/sis would be good. He won't be needing much int tho :)
Edit: @bigrig, it is a strong +3 template with the main "limitation" being that it is fueled by constantly eating people , with stronger people eaten lasting longer, as well as having a specific attack needed to absorb them (instead of just any attack).
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That's it! I'm commandeering all this AC ya'll seem to have!
I do get a bonus teamwork feat from Vanguard....
That's it! I'm commandeering all this AC ya'll seem to have!I do get a bonus teamwork feat from Vanguard....
Psh, like I care! Solo tactics; anyone and everyone is getting an axe to the face!
Edit: For example, Sariel would be more likely to show herself to someone outside and have them scan her - one of her abilities lets her appear as any alignment she wants. So they think she's good, and she gets to go into the Palace in public - whereupon she presents herself as their friend and starts with the offerings, all the while dodging the usual defenses of such a place... and by the time they realize what's going on, she's in control. Each bit, though, has to be earned.
I'm going to see if I can work something like this myself, as the "Wise Vizier" sort. Lead the kingdom to prosperity...and then bring it crashing down.
Hmm. Str for melee, Int for casting, Cha for HP/DC's of abilities, and Dex (somewhat) for AC.
In a tristalt game like this, there's really no way (without unbalancing one ability score, like Cha-to-everything oradins) to create a truly SAD character.
Of course, the nature of this game makes it slightly easier to be a little MAD.
I figure it's okay that I'm completely Wis SAD (though I have at least a 14 in everything but Cha) since I don't have any spellcasting.
I use Wis for hit, damage, AC, Initiative, and Reflex saves.
Psh, like I care! Solo tactics; anyone and everyone is getting an axe to the face!That's it! I'm commandeering all this AC ya'll seem to have!I do get a bonus teamwork feat from Vanguard....
Yeah, I used to think those Feats were rad with an Inquuisitor too. Until you rea dthe fine print.
You can only be the BetrayEE, not the BetrayER.
"Characters with class abilities granting allies access to teamwork feats (such as cavaliers or inquisitors) can select these teamwork feats normally, but allies who are granted these feats can use the feats only as initiators, not as abettors. An inquisitor could not grant an ally the Ally Shield feat and then use the ally as a shield, for example, but he could allow that ally to use him as a shield."
Building this has been crazy, feels wrong sometimes. Couldn't bring myself to take immunity to positive for example. Didn't seem like the intent of the 1 energy immunity thing to me.
Fiendish abilities...
Creating blighted terrain wherever I walk that lasts for however many rounds after I pass would be great. Goes well with Siabrae's Blighted Rebirth(Su) in case I ever get destroyed. As long as I'm not destroyed in an AMF then I always keep coming back.
Teleport/Greater Teleport or something like an at will tree stride but instead going through only solid rock or stone. I have earth glide so taking it one step further.
Wisdom bonus to AC like a monk. Easy, druid that doesn't like relying on items and I have an aversion to seeing uneven levels on my character sheet if I can help it 'druid12/bloodrager12/inquisitor11/monk1' <--
Constant Freedom of movement.
Still looking for other awesome abilities that might interact with rage somehow...
ATM I think my AC can be high 30's.
Yeah, I wasn't aiming at anyone, it was just a statement on the nature of tristalt.
This is looking pretty interesting!
I'm working on Iaidionnel, Fallen of Unlife. Will be an Oracle(Life)/Unchained Monk/Magus with a couple templates (hopefully Dread Wraith Sovereign and Negative-Energy Charged). Front-line healer and touch-attack-o-doom specialist. Have the crunch mostly done, although haven't gotten much of it in the profile yet.
Gonna go dig through the rest of the thread, really interested in reading through everyone's submissions!
Just reposting:
Edit: @bigrig, it is a strong +3 template with the main "limitation" being that it is fueled by constantly eating people , with stronger people eaten lasting longer, as well as having a specific attack needed to absorb them (instead of just any attack).
Also, no, I'm not going for famine (aka everyone else starves) but rather gluttony (aka I'm starving). I did look at the herald template, but it really isn't what I'm looking for :)
@Rynjin:
Firstly, it boggles the mind why paizo insists on making everything useless.
Secondly, I'm not granting anyone "access" to the feat per se. They're just assumed to have it for the purposes of my ability to use the feat. They can't use it themselves. So, for the purpose of Solo Tacits RAW, I think Ally Shield functions fine.
Looks like there will be a few grapple and swallow people, or is your guy only for dead and dying creatures, Gobbo?
@Rynjin:
Firstly, it boggles the mind why paizo insists on making everything useless.
Secondly, I'm not granting anyone "access" to the feat per se. They're just assumed to have it for the purposes of my ability to use the feat. They can't use it themselves. So, for the purpose of Solo Tacits RAW, I think Ally Shield functions fine.
Well, except for the part where it explicitly says that's not how it works in that bit I bolded, sure that's RAW. *scratches head*
That's half the reason I didn't go Inquisitor, in fact.
@Rynjin: Or go all Cheliax. Why take a kingdom when you can take a kingdom for generations and get so many more souls? Sariel understands efficiency. XD
@Rynjin:
Firstly, it boggles the mind why paizo insists on making everything useless.
Secondly, I'm not granting anyone "access" to the feat per se. They're just assumed to have it for the purposes of my ability to use the feat. They can't use it themselves. So, for the purpose of Solo Tacits RAW, I think Ally Shield functions fine.
Well, except for the part where it explicitly says that's not how it works in that bit I bolded, sure that's RAW. *scratches head*
That's half the reason I didn't go Inquisitor, in fact.
Nothing in solo tactics grants allies access to the feat. The line you bolded doesn't apply.
Assuming the teammate has the feat =/= giving the teammate access to the feat. That is, solo tactics does not, in any way, give others the ability to use my teamwork feats.
Souls are so much more fun when they're harvested en masse!
We'll have to outsource the collecting teams, as we just won't have enough time!
@Johnny: I don't know, it specifically mentions inquisitors and Ally Shield...
@Johnny: I don't know, it specifically mentions inquisitors and Ally Shield...
I'm aware, but in the context of granting someone else the feat. I can't even be the shield using solo tactics, because no one else can use Ally Shield.
So the ultimate conclusion is that ally shield can't be used at all (betrayer or betrayee) with just solo tactics.
Frankly, that's not something I want to accept.
Souls are so much more fun when they're harvested en masse!
We'll have to outsource the collecting teams, as we just won't have enough time!
that'll be what my prisons are for! at least for my souls. nyeh heh heh heh
Oh man, so many choices to make. Whenever I feel like Zathiel is almost ready, I check again and I realize just how much more work there is before I finish it. I've got to pick my Occultist implements and spells, all my feats, my innate items, my legendary items...
Do we get the natural armor bonus from our eidolon base form?
And does that stack with what we buy through the race builder?
I've been treating the base form and racial buys as stacking, but also being combined for the natural armor limit. But I do not know if that is correct.
Looks like there will be a few grapple and swallow people, or is your guy only for dead and dying creatures, Gobbo?
I would eat just about anything I could, and thats most everything :)
Actually, I should give him a burrow speed, have him eat the earth on his eternal quest to sate the hunger XDDifferent note, If I end up having a cult following, their general practices would be to gorge themselves at feasts and offer up souls/prisoners/sacrifices to their patron.
later on, it would devolve into cannibalism, self mutilation and other debased deeds in an attempt to feed the hunger.
Actually, I just remembered! Any of you read animorphs? Remember the Taxxons? They are giant slug /centipede like creatures that are driven by a never-ending hunger, and most likely the sub-conscious origins of my idea XD
Do we get the natural armor bonus from our eidolon base form?
And does that stack with what we buy through the race builder?
Eidolon Form Stuff: You do not get ANYTHING from the Eidolon block other than what is listed, that being the base form (NOT the stats, just the movement, body shape, and free evolutions).
So no, I would infer that you do not :)
That's fine.
I did miss that sentence.
@fnord- I should have been more clear; perhaps "stack" was not the right word. What I meant by that was different types of bonuses, that do add up. Natural, armor, shield, profane, dodge, Dex, and deflection is what I meant by "stacking".
As for the base natural armor, he said that you get what is listed, and not the stats. I'm just not sure if the natural armor bonus is "stats" or not.
Edit: until we get word from GM, I'll treat it like we don't get it, just to make things easier.
As a general note, don't forget that "You each start with a baseline score of 12 in each of the six stats. From there, you may spend 30 points on ability scores. Each point spent raises the stat by one."
So I don't think you take the abilities of any Eidolon form you choose (I didn't take one at all).
Yeah, no, that was clearly stated by him, as seen in Gobo's quote.
As a general note, don't forget that "You each start with a baseline score of 12 in each of the six stats. From there, you may spend 30 points on ability scores. Each point spent raises the stat by one."
So I don't think you take the abilities of any Eidolon form you choose (I didn't take one at all).
Why not? Biped is just "Normal dude + claws". That's what I took.
Ah, yes. ^^ You are correct!
@Rynjin: Because it's even MORE complicated, and I don't need/want any natural attacks or anything. XD Doesn't fit how Sariel does things.
Zaphkiel was pretty SAD, but I changed him up to be DAD. From INT/INT/INT to INT/WIS/INT.
Regarding form, he said you get the free evolutions. So biped does get the claw.
On another note, maybe some of those more well versed in monster abilities and/or farther ahead in the character creations could help me out. I got my weapon up to Gargantuan (I myself am Medium still), dealing Colossal damage, so now i must turn my eyes to abilities to spend fiendish points on. I can also use help with itemization, though a lot of my money will go to stat items just to keep my MAD character competitive.
I already need to grab the oversized arms from Tiefling, and Powerful Build. I'd like to grab abilities along the following lines:
- Crazy Sense Motive, Intimidate, Diplomacy, Bluff.
- Evidence gathering, keeping in consideration that we are in Hell, so i might have to Plane Shift/Teleport to get evidence. As a Cleric I can speak with dead, but i gotta find that corpse. Something to locate evidence would be good.
- Teleporting someone else, like to a prison cell
- something to disregard antimagic fields?
- true seeing
- detecting lies, especially if the ability can circumvent things that circumvent zone of truth
EDIT:
or i could summon the evidence to me? even better if possible
also i havent used my legendary item abilities yet, so maybe there is something there.