And modifiers from large size evolutions or racial traits are still limited by that 24, or are those also wiped out completely like templates?
Edit: Same question with the natural armor: is that limit just to the natural armor bonuses you can specifically buy, or all bonuses from any source?
Yeah, without monk, I'm ending up at 26 (I think that's right).
Plenty of feats to go around.
And with slayer, plus two Int casters, and the extra skill points...oh unholy gods, the skills.
So many.
The large size has yet to be answered.
On the flip side, a small eidolon gets +2 Dex, -4 str, -2 con. I would assume those are also applicable? That would affect my small traveler :)
Edit: oh! I should add in speed of thought and burst into those calculations >:)
I'm very, very interested in this and will see what I can come up with.
For our two legacy items: is there some gp limit to them? Like if I want a +2 suit of armor. Does that come out of my 150,000 gp and also take a legacy item slot?
Okay, so where I'm at right now - I'm currently building up the Mesmerist/Oracle (Lore) sides of my character. Probably gonna add some kind of martial aspect for my third class, simply to make Sariel more enduring. She's definitely a team-player type, helping to buff everyone else up. XD
And modifiers from large size evolutions or racial traits are still limited by that 24, or are those also wiped out completely like templates?
Edit: Same question with the natural armor: is that limit just to the natural armor bonuses you can specifically buy, or all bonuses from any source?
God I hope not. I've seriously contemplated going huge.
I'm building my character up, and from the things that I'm picking that look like fun, it looks like my character will be a mix of grapple and two handed weapons. If everything works out how I expect, it'll be able to grapple and still fight normally without too much trouble.
If your character and mine both get chosen Rednal, you can be the character becomes a bodyguard for! I was going to make mine more of a #2 person than a direct leader and plotter, and his background would have been protection and guarding, so it would be fitting he'd gravitate towards protecting a squishier character even when he falls.
Considering I took the "Cult Leader" archetype of the Mesmerist... that might be fairly fitting, actually. XD
Haha cool, we should talk! Maybe we can set up some nice synergy, and I'm in the early stages of my character anyway.
Okay, so where I'm at right now - I'm currently building up the Mesmerist/Oracle (Lore) sides of my character. Probably gonna add some kind of martial aspect for my third class, simply to make Sariel more enduring. She's definitely a team-player type, helping to buff everyone else up. XD
Warlord actually works out well for that. Lots of support abilities and if you focus mostly on Golden Lion maneuvers some good support stuff as well.
I'll offer my services as general to the new Fallen Cult!
And the eventual undead army I plan to attract to its banner.
I might look into Warlord for that kind of support - depends on whether or not the GM allows that book. XD Either way, martial bonuses are mostly a backup - I'm not even trying to compete with dedicated damage dealers, just make sure my character can take care of herself.
And yes, if the other players would like to truly work as a group/cult - depends on who gets picked, I guess - I'd be happy to help out with that. XD I have quite a few powers that would support our efforts...
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Frankly I could give a f#@~ how powerful my character is at this point.
I'm building a giant technodragon that serves as the embodiment of the singularity.
I couldn't be happier if I was riding a rainbow unicorn dolphin that pissed LSD.
I might look into Warlord for that kind of support - depends on whether or not the GM allows that book. XD Either way, martial bonuses are mostly a backup - I'm not even trying to compete with dedicated damage dealers, just make sure my character can take care of herself.
And yes, if the other players would like to truly work as a group/cult - depends on who gets picked, I guess - I'd be happy to help out with that. XD I have quite a few powers that would support our efforts...
I was under the impression he was allowing everything on the PFSRD. Including the Path of War and Psionics stuff.
You may also use levels from any side of the gestalt to acquire templates, with the calculation of (level=CR-1, mimunim of 1)
Just to make sure I got it right: a CR +1 or +2 template can replace one level on one side of the tristalt?
So level 13//13//12 with the template?
I'll offer my services as general to the new Fallen Cult!
And the eventual undead army I plan to attract to its banner.
Technically speaking, I believe I'm the one with the banner.
I plan my cult to be basically Inquisitors and law enforcement for our city.
As long as she can slate her thirst for battle and slaughter, Azrielan will gladly work with just about anyone.
Oh, a city? That means barracks.
I would be interested in that.
depends on whether or not the GM allows that bookI was under the impression he was allowing everything on the PFSRD. Including the Path of War and Psionics stuff.
Can we get an official statement on this? The original statement was anything on the "SRD"... is that referring to the official PRD or to the unofficial PFSRD? It makes a huge difference as the latter includes all the splat books and tons of 3pp stuff and the official site doesn't...
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That would be why I'm waiting and holding off on adding Warlord stuff. XD
In other news, I just taught Sariel Plane Shift and Planar Adaptation - very helpful if we ever decide we want to raid a hostile environment. ^^
Ok, so fully caught up on this, lol. Going to be a lot of fun.
Ten, if you're still interested in being the Bartelby to my Loki, I shall PM you, and we can work on some shared backstory/abilities.
Definitely going Inquisitor/SLR(If allowed)/Slayer.
Well, Azrielan will be immune to fire, acid, electricity, cold, have resist sonic 10, will have a bunch of stuff to do about positive energy users, and won't have to breathe/eat/sleep, so that'll be a target you can give to someone else.
I'm planning on having her be damn-near indestructible, and to have enough hit points to survive anything that manages to get through her massive defenses.
Hehe you guys are so incredibly powerful! I just hope I can design something fun, that can survive, and yet buff everybody *good* with some good ole barding :)
It's actually "Legendary Items", and here:
I'm in the process of building my Fallen of Mind! I've spent all his EP on getting blindsight, plus a few skill bonuses, but his RP got him some much cooler stuff. He will have SR 11+Level, DR 10/Good, constantly active Detect Magic, and my favorite part, the ability to initiate a psychic duel at will.
As for classes, I've picked out everything for full progression as a kineticist, using aether as his element, of course, and one of his other classes will be a Lore Psychic. I haven't decided on the third class, though, and I haven't even looked at templates.
If anyone has any suggestions, I'd be happy to hear them!
What I have down so far for the Fallen of War is an Antipaladin/Bard (Arcane Duelist)/Oracle of Battle with a quadrupedal Eidolon form and arms to make them more of a centaur kind of thing. Between natural attacks, their weapon, and Pounce, the emphasis on attacking will be to have someone highly mobile, tanky, and capable of unleashing a lot of hard-hitting attacks at once, while backing it all up with assorted support spells and abilities. I currently have them fluff-wise as the steed-but-also-a-warrior to the standard bearer of Iomedae (or her non-union Mexican equivalent) who went kind of rogue on the matter of meddling in mortal wars and was cast down for it.
Nidoran, we might have too much in common, although two tables may help.
I'm going for Fallen of Destruction, with Slayer/Fighter, Magus, Conjurer Wizard, and four different templates (unholy creature, negative-energy infused, graveknight, and Herald of War).
Just in case you care.
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On the bright side, we have two tables. So if two characters might be too similar if they were together...
I don't see that much in common; your classes look like something much more directly gish-ey with Magus, whereas my magic is oriented much more on support and buffs/debuffs to continue the idea of someone riding into war who has a big impact on the others around them. And then thematically, I don't know where the destruction is going for you, but with for my character, war is a lot more on the glory and dogmatic "conquer and achieve through bloodshed" side than necessarily seeking to destroy everything. The differences ought to become pretty clear once our fluffs come out because I definitely don't see the links you're seeing, but if nothing else then yeah, two tables ought to do it.
Ah, I'm just looking to kill stuff.
Not very many non-self buffs, just a lot of destructive power, so I guess I just saw "Fallen of War", and that's what my reaction came from.
My bad, carry on!
Very excited about this concept! Also very impressed by the backstories I read so far. Hope I can make something just as awesome!
I'm waiting for news on class options before I keep going. At the moment, though, Sariel's becoming a true leader type - lots of ways to support allies, possess mortals and objects, sneak into places even when they're warded... XD And, of course, offer all the temptations.
So... moderately useful in combat, and extremely useful outside of it.
Thankfully robo dragon is still workable even without 3pp. It does suck if I don't get to play with machinesmith or eldritch godling stuff. Being a very real deus ex machina is rather appealing.
Well you could always just Limbjack it. Or flavor it as construct in appearance—a LOT of outsiders look like constructs but technically aren't.
Sadly the thing you posted is 3pp. :P
Getting the construct dragon part is actually easy with a bit of reflavoring.
Honestly what's been hard is making him quadruped while having the DR I want.
Also, While I'm getting the Haunted Construct template I'm voluntarily adjusting the SLA's to not be absolutely bonkers for this level.
Inevitables, most prominently.
@Benighted Regent: The Aztec god of death was really fantastically chaotically evil. But it sounds like you're inspired by Tezcatlipoca rather than Mictlantecuhtli, who... mostly just tries to trick the other gods into letting him eat literally the entire world. I don't know where i'm going with this, but man those guys were brutal.
I thought Huitzilpoctli was the one with the mirror?
@GM: I grabbed Blindsense with my Racial points. Does that mean I can waive the restriction for needing the Blindsense Evolution for Blindsight?
Oh, wow, I missed it. The d20pfsrd doesn't put the 3pp box on templates, I guess.
Some of the GM's previous comments implied that the Advanced Bestiary is a legal source (specifically, Instrument of the Gods was banned first for flavor, then for power, and not because of the book it's in).
Not having psionics will make me need to completely rebuild from scratch.
...not that I haven't rebuilt almost every part at least once so far.
Come, child, and I will tell you the tale of Zathiel, the Preserver.
He was a trusted servant of the gods, tasked with preserving the knowledge of the ages. It is said that, by the intervention of Zathiel, the Grand Library stood proud and alone after the fall of Korrikos. All written word was sacred to him, and those who sought to destroy it would be punished as blasphemers.
But Zathiel was proud, and refused to allow others to assist him in his duty. Even when the barbarous hordes conquered the city of scholars, it was his stubborn belief that he alone could save the wisdom held therein. Yet, all too soon, he was proven wrong.
Every man, woman and child in the city fell that day. It is said, that, in the carnage, Zathiel became lost, twisted, perhaps even wicked. He consumed every written record he could find, believing that no knowledge would be safe again unless it was contained within his mind, and nowhere else. Even the name of that once-great city was lost to us, kept only within the winding halls of Zathiel's vast memory.
However, before he could continue his rampage, and take every store of knowledge in the world for himself, the gods intervened, and Zathiel was cast down. He was stripped of his title, and deemed Zathiel the Fallen.
...I wrote a backstory!
Another question. I went with Wyrwood so I could get the Construct type. Does the Outsider temmplate completely override these or could we keep them?
Reason I ask is because I picked that purposely so I could get the construct type for robo dragon.
I don't know if we can choose another race, TarkXT. You said you chose Wyrwood, but we're not allowed to choose anything other than what we build using our Race and Eidolon Points.
Ah, I see. That was written confusingly. But it does answer the question.
I'll just have to buy it or template it.
Yeah, this is certainly a complex system, but it'll be worth it.
Oh, found a way to make Azrielan immune to sonic, as well. That makes 5 energy types.
Can I trade a Path of War Discipline a class has access to for the Black Seraph Discipline?
I'll likely be taking Stalker as 1/3 of the tristalt, and wanted to trade Solar Wind for that. It's generally only available to members of the Black Thorn Knights (who ally with Hell to fight chaos), but they likely don't exist, here.
I believe the DM said no matter what we do, we start out as an Outsider, though? So you might be out of luck on that construct bit. Maybe the half-construct race ability is appropriate?
I thought Huitzilpoctli was the one with the mirror?
Nah. Huitzilopochtli was the pretty Hummingbird god... of WAR.
...darned Aztecs...