
Phillip Hargreaves |

Here tis - you probably did choose Malkith... I likely just lost it with an ill aimed misclick in the early morning.

Braddon Hurst |

Gristav |

That's awesome. We don't look like a team. It's seems not only is the fortune teller poking about, but there's ALSO this stumbling fool...
And in a humorous light, Gristav's stumbling can happen at the comedic instant of 'how is coming to me going to tell you anything?', or some similar.
It's grand. :)

Joana |

Indeed. We wouldn't want you spending your weekend on yourself, now, would we? ;-)
Pssh. You know DMs: Give them a weekend, and they take a month. Got to keep the nose to that grindstone. ;)
Campaign Info tab is now up to date so you guys at Weatherby's office can see where you are in relation to everything else.

Gristav |

Gris went NW along the road, looping down toward the South, as though headed for the ferry. He might shop on the way back to the Goblin, perhaps for palm fronds? :)

Gristav |

I'm hoping to attain simultaneous open war with every PC at once. :)
I figure that way, I'm more sympathetic to and with the NPCs.
Great plan, right? :)
More seriously, Gris won't linger at the shopping, he has to report on the scouting and grifting, and freshen up for the Publican lunch. Maybe if Mal is at the Goblin, we can mend some fences then.

Joana |

Meh, we knew who you meant. Just thought you might appreciate a chance to edit before the edit window closed. It bugs me no end when I catch a mistake too late to fix it.
I don't know how you keep up with as many games as you're in, anyway.
Will update in an hour or two. Bath- and bedtime for the kids.

Joana |

Apologies for the delay, gentlemen. I've had a busy couple of days. I actually started the post in the Bazaar of the Seafaring Peddlar some 27 hours ago, was just too exhausted to finish it, and didn't have a chance to get back to it until now, and it's just past 2:30 AM in my time zone. :P
Fortunately, the holiday weekend is almost here; looking forward to having Monday off. :)

Joana |

Could you remind me where Cas' workshop is with respect to the map?
Oh, you found a location I forgot when I was updating the city map. It's on there now: number 31, about halfway between the Gold Goblin and the harbormaster's tower.

Malkith Deraythen |

I've taken the week off from work. I'm not actually going anywhere special, just some mental health days :) so if I forget to post this week, I haven't left y'all - I'm just totally out of my normal routine. There's nothing specific I need Malkith to be doing, so I'm good with relaxing at the Goblin.

Gristav |

Malkith Deraythen wrote:Malkith reaches up to touch Sam's cheek...
Stepping back, he stifles a yawn.Ah, if only Braddon could have arrived in that moment.
Let's see what we can salvage anyway. :-)
LOL. I haven't read Gameplay yet, but yes, let's have Gris and Brad go out binging when they 'deduce' Malkith has the heart of the lovely Samaritha. In the best sitcom misunderstanding tradition. :)

Gristav |

We've a closer chronal concordance conundrum, with Phil and Gris about to arrive well before Braddon, yet having not been there...
I think I can steer Gris at least, away.

Phillip Hargreaves |

As an OOC addendum to that, while Gristav could likely attempt a Knowledge Local (with Joana's buy in) to have already known where the shipwrights is... I'd ask for some degree of thought given here.
Essentially the story thread with Cas can be written thus:
1) Phillip started a thread of RP and conversation
2) Phillip offered Gristav a part in that conversation
3) Gristav found the terms of that offering not to his liking
4) Phillip has stated that he can continue the thread without Gristav's help
5) Gristav is now stating that he doesn't care what Phillip thinks, the thread is now his to do with as he wishes.
I'll make particular note here that I'm pretty sure that Phillip has not once actually outright lied within the PbP to date, and when he states that he'll leave L+G unblemished by his furtherance of the discussion thread with Cas - he means it, and has given no-one any reason to doubt that.
While you're alltogether entitled to act however you wish Gristav... at the moment, the way that it currently reads to me is that you're riding completely roughshod over Phillip entirely in this instance. Which as a player I find somewhat annoying and Phillip in thread would not see in a very good light at all.
By all means make plans to go and see the shipwright... but Mark the player would ask for a little discretion and that you do it after Phillip the character has a chance to say his piece first.
Just something to keep in mind.

Gristav |

So many things to respond to...
Regarding your numbered points, suffice it to say I see them differently.
Sure, go ahead and get to Cas before Gris. But it's not a foregone that Gris, who _has_ been to this town before, and has 2 more steps of KN:Local, is less informed than Philip. And it's hardly collusion if the GM rules (or rolls) either way.
I'll welcome whatever ends well. I have to wonder how it ends well, though.
Gris' plan: Present himself to Cas, explain how he came to be in Phillip's mind associated with the Cloud, express that Gris nevertheless thinks he has the good grace of the Cloud's captain, and offer an introduction, where Gris can vouch for the good work he's seen. (...will have seen).
I can see a scene where Cas takes it well. I can see the opposite. I believe it would have gone better with Phillip on board. Gris has tried to pitch it. Phillip has twice chosen not to discuss this. Gris thinks Phil cannot abide being caught out, and that's why Phil leaves the conversation at that point. Gris plans to defuse the falsehood.
Phil stated he no longer cares about Larur's intent. Gristav does not expect Phillip to be on his way, and Gristav is easily distracted. Get there first if you like. Lure Cas away before Gris gets there, if that suits you better.
Perhaps the most rewarding scenario is where each might prove their value to the other, Phil and Gris I mean. Can we produce such? Could Gris set Cas straight, and when Phil gets there, Cas expresses his understanding? Or is it better that Phil spends his own coin to make up the loss of Gristav's value as a trade token, and then Gris explains?
What was the original intent? I suppose that ship has sailed.
Here's the wheel. Set a course.

Joana |

Let's make sure we're actually in disagreement here and not just talking past one another. While Gristav-in-character is expressing displeasure with Phillip's using him as a bargaining piece in negotiations, he still seems to be offering the same explanation of affairs for the carpenter's benefit that he expressed here and that Mark found generally acceptable at the time.
Mark, is the problem that Gristav's proposed story doesn't meet Phil's purposes, or is the mutual antagonism of the PCs getting in the way?

Phillip Hargreaves |

The essence of the story is fine, but the details are part of what Phillip would take some umbrage at. But the details aren't at the crux of the issue that Phillip has.
Gristav talks too much, too freely and without filter. He's also being far too much a Sith for Phillip's liking and talking in absolutes such as:
You may trust me on this: neither I nor Larur wish it so. So, it will not be.
Because you won't convince me
You were mistaken, confused.
I intend to explain
I predict the truth to be more flattering, to us all
Phillip looks at that and some of the ways in which Gristav's spoken earlier and knows that he has no ability to control the narrative if Gristav is there when he talks to Cas - so he doesn't want him there at all, so he can control the narrative himself. He won't necessarily be saying much different... but he will know that he can say it without interruptance or utterance from Gristav during before or after.
Second issue is that while Gristav may not know all the details... Larur has hardly been good to Phillip recently (in Phillip's eyes), but by Gristav's own words he's as much as stated by assumption that he considers Phillip a subordinate of Larur: We're both in earnest, working toward Larur's interest. Phillip has been quite pointedly specific to Larur that it was not the dwarf that hired him, it was Saul. And Phillip is working entirely to his own interests... it just happens that at present they would not seem to be at odds with Saul's.
If Gristav takes the action to ignore a clear statement to stay out of his territory and chooses to ride in roughshod... he's going to quickly rise up Phil's list from 'annoying lackey of Larur', to 'person who is actively working against my interests'.

Gristav |

Yes, let's not have that.
I notice that while I speak of scenarios where they become allies, you speak of scenarios where they become enemies. I wish you would refocus your imaginings.
We're going to have enough enemies.
Find a way for them to be friends.
When I was first applying to this campaign, a condition of the application was that a character (paraphrasing) 'have a reason to help the underdog Saul'. I regret my careless use of that memory in my maths in understanding the situation. It seemed a thread I might follow, that tied the party together. I was quite unprepared for any PC literally out for himself.
I can see how such a man needs detailed control. Hopefully Gristav has proved himself too wibbly for Phil to make the same mistake again.
I'll acknowledge (and arrange for) Phil's need for privacy with Cas. With the roof-screech, it's easy. I'll try to have Gristav forget the whole matter, depending on what distractions arise.

Joana |

Saul and Larur are actually in a similarly uneasy fellowship at the moment. Gristav missed the introduction of the pair which spelled out a little more clearly Larur's qualms about his business partner's moral fiber or lack thereof, as well as Saul's feeling that Larur is a good man who needs some help to grasp the bigger picture than his workaday philosophy. They're unlikely comrades allied against a common foe in Cleg Zincher.
At the moment, Phil is clearly Saul's man while Gris is clearly Larur's. At this point, they don't have an overt common foe, but I'm hopeful that they can find that their interests align at least some of the time in the success of the Gold Goblin. Even if at the moment the PCs must write each other off as morally duplicitous and self-righteously foolish, can we avoid an outright cold war in favor of an uncomfortable detente?