I'm trying to answer Vosil's Knowledge check about Drelev, but I need to download the next books for that. I'm having trouble with the downloads site. I'll give the best answer I can from memory as I'm at work right now.
I've got some ideas for pushing things forward, but am very busy atm. Will get a post up at lunch.
There. Talk about the prisoner's dilemma.
Also: 3,000 posts! Go us! And great stuff, OGGM!
Yay, 3k posts!
You all alright with offering a deal if he can provide us with more information - like the name of the author of the note?
Banishment for information, or a trial for sedition if no information can be had?
3k! Excellent! Thanks for the kind feedback, as well. Talia, I don't believe that question was for me?
Nope, not for you OGGM, though if you think there's nothing more to be gained here, we could just move onto a trial.
What makes you think he'll keep any promises? I favour the blunt axe and the drunk executioner - pour encourager les autres (as the elves say).
Oh, yeah, there's no guarantee. But, he's failed - I don't think he's going back to Fort Drelev and facing the consequences. I think he goes somewhere far away.
That said, I'm OK with executioner as well. We can move in that direction. Trial/execution.
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Up to you guys. Talia guessed it earlier; this isn't really supposed to be a main event, more like an interesting interlude, intermittently interrupting interior interactions.
(I was suddenly taken with seeing how far I could go with the int- words. I have no explanation.)
Thanks! You set me up beautifully!
As for what's next, what do you all think? I see a couple of options; 1) ride out the rest of the month in Fairhaven, do some kingdom building, or 2) it is early enough in the month that we could do a bit of exploring, and still likely get back in time to meet our governing quota.
It's been several months (real time) since we did any kingdom building, so I vote for the following order of business:
1) execution of Grigory
2) appointment of new Royal Assassin er I mean Enforcer
3) few rounds of kingdom building
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Well folks, it looks like we've got this one pretty much wrapped up, and we'll be back with our trademark analysis and insight very shortly after the bre - but wait, what's this? Oh, that's right folks, it looks like it can only be an 11th-hour intervention from Mr G. Niktosky, the Scoundrel of the Greenbelt himself, and it's... *opens envelope* it's - A PLEA FOR CLEMENCY!!! And the crowd goes absolutely wild, I'm not sure what they were expecting but that has thrown things wide open here. Yes, it's bold, it's audacious, it's unexpected, it's everything we've come to love about the Scoundrel of the Greenbelt; and now, all eyes must surely be on Talia as she makes her fateful decision: will she stick with the prearranged play, or will this move from The Man With The Golden Smile (and folks, remember they've got a history, these two) throw all that into the winds? Only one thing is certain: we said, after Close Encounters Of The Staglord Kind, that they couldn't top that - and they promptly gave us Bury My Heart At Tatzlwyrm Creek; the only certainty here, folks, is that there are no certainties - and that's what keeps you coming back, we know...
So, I saw another way out possibly through all the haranguing and thought I'd open it up. That's all. I understand we've been spinning our wheels here for a bit, but it has produced some really great posts! If you guys want to just go ahead and continue with the decision you already had planned, that's fine with me!
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Maybe discuss this plan with Talia and the others before offering it to him? Even if you're bluffing?
The poor guy's head is probably spinning from fifteen different offers, threats, lies, and invitations, each for something different.
If Gav wants to try and turn him, go for it as far as I'm concerned! I agree with Vosil's general plan of action. Maybe we can start a few rounds?
I'm just getting back to work and have a lot of catch-up to do. Hope to be good to go tomorrow.
It's a nice idea, but if he's only loyal for money then there'll always be someone with more money than us.
If he was a genuine malcontent (rather than a paid agent) I'd be open to Gav's approach - but I just think it's too much of a risk to let him go.
Just back from a 6-hour drive for the holiday weekend here in the USA. Will get back to it shortly.
I'm not opposed to tricking him into thinking he gets to work for us (to get information), but Naralesh would never trust him. I'm completely against allowing him on the council or in a position of trust.
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Seems like we can make Grigori go away forever for free.
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Seems like we can make Grigori go away forever for free.
"Death solves all problems: no more person, no more problem."
-- Josef Stalin
I'm headed out of the country until Monday, and I'm not sure how easy it will be to check in. Please bot if needed.
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We're agreed on killing Grigori then? Edric is deliberately staying away from the whole situation but OOC I'm fine with it. As far as I can see Vosil and Gav are in favour.
So:
Death: 2 (3 with talia?)
Against:
Abstaining: 1
Unknown - Nara.
Sorry if i missed anyones opinions, haven't reviewed the thread so this is on memory.
Naralesh will remain relatively silent on the issue unless pressed for a vote, in which case he will support execution. Primarily he trusts Talia to make the call, but if asked, he believes a permanent end to the man is the surest option.
Ok, so; time to drag the kingdom-building thread back into play?
Ok, The give me a post on how it plays out (Vosil? Talia?). I don't want to do a whole trial, so make a Loyalty check. Feel free to add +2 for various skill checks you feel may apply to the trial. The check is DC 30. Any spells cast at the trial will add a -2 per spell as the people will see that as an unfair manipulation of the process. It doesn't matter what your explanation is, or the spell is, they will not like it.
Let's have Talia roll the Loyalty check. Vote of confidence and all that.
We still have not heard from Dregan, I take it? Anyone have him in another game?
Kingdom thread re-activated. I will keep it to just building activities, as promised.
Just got back into town. Will get a post up shortly.
Have not heard from Dregan, but I'm not in another game with him.
I wouldn't be opposed to keeping his character as an NPC much like we've done before, at least for a time to see if he comes back. Unfortunately, that limits the group when exploring/adventuring. We can try and bot him, or we can get someone else, your call.
EDIT: or we can include another of the NPCs, notably Asha or Kesten.
Apologies for not getting a post up in time. I've been having a tough week and the depressing nature of the execution was a bit of an emotional blow, heh. Great narrative though. I'd read the heck out of this adventure if it were a book.
OGGM, the reward for the elven quest is a +1 "cloak of protection" which I don't think exists? Do you want to give us a cloak of resistance or a ring of protection?
resistance
Congratulations! See you on the other side...
Nice! Congrats, Edric! Enjoy the wedding/Italy!
Congratulations! Enjoy yourself, we'll see you when you get back!
Congrats, Edric!
Based on some interesting conversation I've had with some players. (Meaning: Vosil had a good idea so I'm going to try it.) Let's work with the WBL as posted in the CRB for each character. Rather than try to distribute loot and track who has what (a tedious process that takes forever in pbp to get sorted), I'm just going to issue the WBL at each level.
What this means is that you should figure where you are right now at 5th. When you hit 6th, I will just give the difference, and you can get what you want.
One caveat: you are restricted to getting what you can build yourselves in Fairhaven. Right now the max in Concord is 1500, and Hart's Rest 1000. Consider you are beyond the point where you can just order stuff from Restov through Oleg.
Thoughts?
Sounds interesting, but I am a little confused. What happens to loot from battles, quests, etc.? Do we just assume that we sell that and at every level up get a blanket sum of money (or goods, if we're interested in things that fall within our gp max)?
It will give an incentive to build +gp threshold buildings in at least one of our settlements, which I'm not sure I like, for verisimilitude reasons.
I do like it because I it makes more sense to upgrade Talia's items, like her sword, rather than play the magic item upgrade game. I like it because Talia is going to spend a lot of her money on stuff like jewelry, houses, public works, etc.
Ok, so this is my fault so let me chip in here to try and clarify a bit.
Sounds interesting, but I am a little confused. What happens to loot from battles, quests, etc.? Do we just assume that we sell that and at every level up get a blanket sum of money (or goods, if we're interested in things that fall within our gp max)?
Basically, yes. The average WBL for 5th level PCs is 10,500 gp.
I'm not convinced that we have that much even collectively, and certainly not each - with the possible exception of Edric and his Earthbreaker of Awesomesauce. What with all the arrivals, departures, semi-departures and so on, the loot list can't really keep up. This is my suggestion for just ditching it and moving to a new system.
The WBL for 6th level is 16,000 so at 6th level we'd effectively each be given another 5,500 gp (10,500+5,500=16,000).
Basically, we'd be abstracting the loot collection system, the quest rewards, etc. After all, we're going to attempt the quests anyway, right? (If only for the XP!)
It will give an incentive to build +gp threshold buildings in at least one of our settlements, which I'm not sure I like, for verisimilitude reasons.
Not sure I understand this - I think it creates interesting tension: e.g. do we build a cathedral (benefits the populace) or a magic shop that increases the gp threshold (so we can get cooler gear). Also, you can't just buy a 16,000 gp magic item - you have to build an economy (i.e. gp threshold) that supports it. I think that creates verisimilitude, but I may have misunderstood your point, in which case apologies.
Hope that helps!
It does affect the suspension of disbelief a bit - suddenly money just appears out of nowhere - unless you think of it as money you are 'taking out of the kingdom' at certain intervals in your development.
The items found in the AP will still be presented as written, giving anyone a chance to grab something they really may want. And this is critical, because there as a very important (and specific) item to come! The ones you don't take can be considered to be 'traded' or 'shipped to Restov' (maybe these are the same thing).
One thing I will need is to know where everyone is at right now: WBL for each player.
Does it help to think of it just as "automating" the loot process?
As in, we kill the monsters, take their stuff, and then - rather than track every.single.item - we just say at regular intervals that we've sold it or hung onto it and we consequently have x gp worth of things each, once the loot's been divided equally.
Also, more optimistically, if Dregan or Kaalib return it'll be easy to fit them in: welcome back, we're level X so you have Y gp amount of stuff.
The only problem I see with this is that unless we throw all of our resources into building the kingdom's economy and magical item crafters, we'll have a ton of money and no way to spend it.
And when we pick up the loot from the AP, will that deduct out of the WBL that we'd be getting on level up?
I'm fine with the break in immersion of money just showing up. I'd just say it us actually getting paid for the government jobs we do.
I confess that I hadn't realised quite how many BP it would take to get our base value up to higher levels. My bad.
The only problem I see with this is that unless we throw all of our resources into building the kingdom's economy and magical item crafters, we'll have a ton of money and no way to spend it.
And when we pick up the loot from the AP, will that deduct out of the WBL that we'd be getting on level up?
I'm fine with the break in immersion of money just showing up. I'd just say it us actually getting paid for the government jobs we do.
Whatever your WBL is, regardless of source, is what we are going to use. If you happen to find a great weapon worth 10k that you keep, then that will add to your WBL. If you don't keep it, then it won't count. You could just sell it, and that cash will add to your WBL as well. So when you hit 6th, your current WBL will factor how much 'extra' cash you get.
As far as the infrastructure, no, it will not be easy. It shouldn't be. IMHO, that adds to the verisimilitude. In order to get the really cool stuff, you'll have to build the appropriate buildings. From magic shop all the way up to Academies and such. This can be a place to use those crafting feats if you want - that would reduce costs. I'm also open to other ideas.
I think it will work, you guys just need to decide if you want to do it.
I think it sounds interesting. Let's go for it.
Work is pretty demanding at the moment. I hope to get caught up on my games tomorrow/Friday.
Yeah, let's go for it.
As 5th level characters, our WBL should be 10,500.
Unfortunately, I can't see from the spreadsheet what it actually is for each of us - the numbers on one sheet radically differ from those on the other (Edric's is even negative on one of them!).
Maybe someone with better skills than I can take a look?
I'm not sure how Dregan was doing what he was doing, and I'm no mathlete, so I don't think I'll be much help.
I just hand-tallied Talia's wealth. I've included things like buying the statue and the kobold bribe:
Item GP
bandolier 0.5
sling 0
bullets (10) 0.1
mw studded leather 175
whip 1
mw scorpion whip 305
bard's kit 41
Noleski, light horse 75
Apple, light horse, combat trained 110
dagger 2
Worgslayer, +1 cold iron longsword 4339
buckler 5
explorer's outfit 10
Wand of CLW (group purchase) 125
expensive traveler's outfits (2) 100
noble outfit 75
royal outfit 200
alchemist fire (2) 40
trail rations (30) 15
GP, Gems, Jewlery 795.14
Horse gear 18
kobold bribe 300
statue of elven woman 900
traveler's outfit 0
Total 7150.14