Iron Gods: Forged into Legends

Game Master polyfrequencies

Sorry, I should've been clear instead of rambling:

The eidolon must be at least the same size as the synthesist.

but the eidolon will be the same size if

...the two are now one creature.

and they both get hit with an Enlarge Person :3

Also, how tall is Keldor?
It's much more fun to narrate a specific height, and I might want to do that soon :3

I never notated it before. I would say...Keldor is about 5'10" or so and Gauntlet is probably about 6'4"?

I don't believe I can be enlarged while wearing Gauntlet. I count as BOTH and Outsider and a Person...to my detriment. Outsiders cannot be Enlarged. It's too broken in my opinion otherwise. I want to play a synthesist within the rules, not break them just to see if I can do it. That's why people HATE synthesists. That ability for them to bend or break the rules is very tempting and a lot of work for GMs. I can learn enlarge myself in a few levels...I'm willing to wait for that.

If the rules say "the two are now one creature" I would assume its possible, but if you would rather not, that is fine with me.

^ This

...buuuut due to Share Spells, you might want Enlarge Person for yourself anyway. It's just a full round action instead of a standard :3

Also, if you really want to feel a downside of having an eidolon (fused or otherwise), let your eidolon take ability damage before we get access to Lesser Restoration Dx

Back on the topic of getting enough reach to slap the airborne monster: Would the Mount spell's mount help at all ? :3

Let's just focus on killing the Ratlings and then we can concentrate on the Gargoyle. The most he can do each round is a single swipe each round with a flyby attack unless he lands. He doesn't have reach. He has to move into range to hit us. Once the others are dead, we can hold our actions until he approaches and attack him then. Gauntlet's fists are magical. I'm pretty sure I can hurt him once I can reach him. Otherwise we can acid splash him to death if he just avoids us, but I can't hold my action or cast spells while being shot with arrows...

Also, as for outsiders cannot be enlarged: not quite correct.

The spell targets a humanoid.
The spell enlarges a humanoid.
It does not work on outsiders because they are neither a valid target for the spell, nor included in the effect.
But they are not specifically excluded - the same reason a Sylvan Sorcerer can cast Enlarge Person on their Animal Companion.
As for the effect: There's the precedent of Dire Collar, for example.

You are a valid target since you are both. It's not you are one of the types, and the more detrimental - you are both.

Say an enemy casts Dominate Person on you. You are affected, since it's more detrimental to be humanoid in that case. An allied wizard, not being able to dispel it, then tries to Dominate you in turn, to have you fight on the side of your friends and allies again. Clearly something that Keldor would want to happen, rather than watch helplessly as he slaughters his friends.
Would the spell then fizzle, because you are not a valid target, being considered an outsider rather than a humanoid?
How, then, would the first spell take hold?
Nope, the second spell works just fine, because you are ALWAYS both types. For the same reason, Enlarge also works out...as for the Gargoyle: Problem being that we only have a limited amount of magical damage output. It may be a logistical challenge to ensure no fly-by targets are uncovered AND we output damage...it may then flee, and return with the next encounter, wielding a reach weapon. Just hulk out if it's offered and smash the guy now :)

(And yeah, it may be among the reasons Synthesist is banned, but unless you turn into a Shoggoth I doubt we're breaking stuff here. A raging two-hander barbarian would be more dangerous than you right now and can be enlarged just fine.

^ I agree, to interpret it any other way would require a change of 'both' to 'either' and would also apparently break some things ;p

You know, there's one other thing we're not considering for this encounter: we have a few consumables :3

We let Basil have the 4 grenades, right? that's what I wrote down and I'm sticking to it until told otherwise...
The soft grenade does 5d6, even if it is nonlethal, and we can probably cook the rat-folk with its 20' radius spread if their hp isn't very high :3

Good point.

All good discussions about the casting of spells and stuff.

I don't see it against the rules, so as long as everyone is happy with it I don't see any issues.

All good discussions...

In the discussion thread! xD

Finally got around to updating my website with info for this game.

Small mini-page with info

It includes pictures of important NPCs as well as any creatures that have good art. I will do my best keeping this updated, but I am not perfect.

I also included a list of all of the items for sale in town.

Still trying to figure out a good way to use this to track item drops or something. Working on something fun too.

Let me know if you have any critiques or suggestions.

Also, regarding the afore-mentioned grenades, yeah, I failed to note them, I guess? But I did take them.

Point with them is: They take one round to explode. So I can throw them, then they can get to safety, THEN they explode.

I would prefer using them in a surprise round where there's a chance to win Init and instantly blow them up.
Or to use them against someone impaired by a spell. Or in enclosed environments. Or high enough level that they lose the full attack by moving to safety.

Considering their cost, it seems wasteful to cause them to move+attack out of the blast area, even if one or 2 may end up provoking an AoO - and at the same time, people risk entering the blast area if not meta-ing, since we know little about these things as of yet.

Ah, I'm up and all out of sensible options.

I have 2 questions...

1.: could we include the loot-sheet either in game information tab, the headerline, or the game info-page?

2.: older loot lists a wand of magic missile(CL 3) for Harg. And a +1 light hammer for Varilien.

The former may be relevantly useful for casters.
The latter a workable option vs. non-magical-damage-resistant iron-clad gargoyles.

Just wondering if we could 'retrieve' loot from those who left.
That said, half my ammunition is gone again already, so I'd rather conserve it than waste it on the individual ratfolks...and I cannot damage the gargoyle.

Gauntlet can possibly hurt the creature if he can reach him, but I was a little afraid of being flanked by the Ratlings while doing it, and those bits of metal attached to him worry me that his DR may be two-fold. Magic / adamantine. Or it could just be considered extra armor(hopefully). Keep the Ratlings off of me and I will try and get to the Gargoyle on my next action...

Added Loot sheet to the top. It was what Harg used for awhile, but since I now GM I haven't been keeping it up as much. Feel free to use it, or convert it. If you end up making your own sheet I can update the link.

Honeslty lost track of loot stuff, but the want is fair game for everyone, and Varilien's light hammer is fair game here too.

Feel free to retrieve anything. The Harg character has been updated for the new game he is in, so his loot list is not accurate. But any old general loot list is fair game.

By the way, I'll be in Las Vegas from the 20th until the 27th, and I'm not sure how much time/opportunity I'll have to post on the boards (especially in combat), so please bot me as needed/desired ^_^

Thawm will mostly be giving out +2 sacred bonuses for now, so it'll be easy xD

Also, I've been trying to figure out the loot on and off, so I'll probably do something with that loot sheet soonish ^_^

No worries. +2 bonuses are easy enough to handle.

As for the loot sheet. I am agnostic to who handles it, as long as its not me. Got enough to deal with :P

speaking of traveling, I will be doing some as well later this week/weekend (Thurs-Sun). I SHOULD still have some access, but will have limited opportunities to post. Please BOT me if needed.

It's not really fixed up nice yet, but I just updated the loot sheet based off of my spreadsheet :3

I know Thawm would like to carry around all the scrolls and other magic goodies, think it'd be fine for her to just whip out the wand of Magic Missiles?

So it looks like Basil has been mia for awhile. All of her Aliases end their posting around the same time (June 12th). Last she said she was getting sick. Just hope she is ok.

We can continue for a bit more before doing anything. She has botting instructions I think and I don't think she would mind.

That's sad, but understood. We can definitely bot her for awhile as needed. I remember she said she was running low on (expensive) ammo, so she was hesitant to keep firing her guns unless there was an enemy she could hurt with them.

and we just got to the battle right before Thawm would probably get mad at Basil for not being magic, too T_T

@Basil: you probably won't see this while you're sick, but get well soon? :3

Heya.

I am back.
Had to spend a while at the hospital there.
Been back home for close to two weeks, but only started using computer again a couple days ago.
Finally found the power to at least go through the discussion threads and attempt to avoid getting dropped from games...
I am back, but it will take me a bit to sort through the games, catch up, and get back going.
But I'm still here...

Thanks for the well-wishes and the patience!

And yeah, I wanted to run a tally-up and see about my ammo but I think I am about halfway spent-

glad to have you back Basil!

glad to have you back Basil!

Just in time for Thawm's grumbling on the way back xD

I am glad you are doing ok. I got a tad worried. Sounds like no fun at all.

Take your time, feel better :)

I am GMing a Starfinder Dead Suns game. We lost our captain player and I am looking for a replacement if anyone is interested.

Link to Recruitment

Would prefer to have someone pick up the same character idea of who is leaving, but am not requiring it, if there are some good ideas. Just wanted to see if anyone was interested.

Never played Starfinder...yet. Kinda curious, but no time for it...yet.

I hear yeah. Lots of games. Just wanted to throw it out to all of my other players. Since you sorta know my GMins style, and might be willing to deal with me in yet another game :)1

quick heads up: I will be travelling for the next few days (Thurs-Sun). I may or may not have internet access. Apologies in advance

Understhood.

I will actually be out with no reception Friday though Sunday as well.

Plenty of quiet time to read my new Pathfinder 2E book that came yesterday :-D

Speaking of lewt, is anyone willing to help me sort through the older lewt to figure out what happened to it? :3

edit: after asking for help I realized I can look at the loot sheet's edit history. I think I have all the sources of loot sorted just fine ^_^

That still doesn't answer my question, though: Where do we want the lewt to be? :3

AFAIK, only Basil has taken any of the team lewt. Do we want to keep it pooled so that we can take turns buying nice things instead of all getting tiny hauls? :3

For the most part I would say we haven't divided up the loot much because we never know what half of it is until later then we've forgotten what most of it was in the first place.

So far all I've taken is the Neraplast armor so far. And I would like the Tape and Activator. Also might take a spare 'charged' battery for my Armor if possible.

NOTE: I think the 2x items are nanites for the nanite gun?

I think Dirissa or Basil should take the Veemod Goggles and/or the Proximity Helmet (one for each?...they can decide who gets what).

All the wizardry stuff is your Thawm as far as I'm concerned. But if there is something I can use with my very-limited Summoner spell list, let me know?

The silver-disks just need to be divided up once we have an actual total.

I have no idea who has the Ring oF Protection or the Amulet of Natural Armor.

For now the 'Cards' and Radiation detector should be group treasure. We share them, but somebody needs to carry them. Al medical items (Medlance and Nanite gun) should also be 'Group' Treasure in my opinion too. To be used as needed.

What are your guys opinions?

I cleaned up the lewt sheet a bit, but I'd like DM Nex's confirmation on what the 2x something and 2x Something things are :3

And the murky red liquid, though maybe someone should roll for that? xD

For the sake of ease they are:

2x Nanite Canisters

2 doses of Grade 1 Hemochem

Also thank you so much for taking up that mantle. The items in this game are "messy" and very different sometimes :)

Yay, thanks GM/Khonnir! ;P

Speaking of messy, I finally figured out that timeworn means no recharging ever, and rolling after identification.
Should I just roll now for the timeworn items in the above mentioned post? (in the same order as the post, because science)
Timeworn radiation detector Charges?: 1d10 ⇒ 1

timeworn brown hypogun uses?: 1d10 ⇒ 6

Also I forgot to ask about the medlance from the same spot. Does it just have all 10 still since it wasn't called timeworn in the initial post? xD

and I'm guessing none of our newest lewt is timeworn and is fully charged :D
except the more recently acquired (and timeworn) medlance: uses?: 1d10 ⇒ 9

I have to do one more bout of travelling. This will probably be it for a while though. Looks like Tues thru Sunday. Will do my best to check in as I can, but no guarantees. Apologies in advance

Have a safe trip~

re: wizard prep time- pretty sure that was amended. "He must choose and prepare his spells ahead of time by getting 8 hours of sleep and spending 1 hour studying his spellbook."

"To prepare his daily spells, a wizard must first sleep for 8 hours. The wizard does not have to slumber for every minute of the time, but he must refrain from movement, combat, spellcasting, skill use, conversation, or any other fairly demanding physical or mental task during the rest period. If his rest is interrupted, each interruption adds 1 hour to the total amount of time he has to rest in order to clear his mind, and he must have at least 1 hour of uninterrupted rest immediately prior to preparing his spells. If the character does not need to sleep for some reason, he still must have 8 hours of restful calm before preparing any spells." Wizards are complicated dammit

Thanks for that xD

Also, I moved some stuff around the loot sheet. On page 2 there are items listed under each name. If no one objects for a couple days or so, then please make sure you've got those items on your character sheet and then remove them from our under your name so that I don't feel the need to worry about those items anymore :3

(I'm 90% sure we've already agreed to all those allocations except for the 3 silver disks Thawm would need to copy the scrolls into her spellbook. And a couple things Thawm might want to carry around that I doubt anyone else wants like the Masterwork Dagger, Masterwork Thief's tools, and Everburning Torch.)

Let me know if there's any time before the first watch for Thawm to sit quietly and work. She has six 1 hour tasks pending and a 2 hour task she could attempt. All in one day if we weren't busy xD

Yeah, I posted that there was 4 hours before rests began you could use up with stuff, if you didn't want to sit and talk to Khonnir. Up to you to decide how friendly you where being :P

Oh, I missed that part of that sentence somehow xD

Thawm barely has a single rank in diplomacy ;p

If nobody else wants it, Keldor would love the Ring of Protection I think. The Deflection bonus it gives should work with Gauntlet. Also wouldn't mind a spare charged batter for the Neraplast armor.

I vote Keldor and Dirissa get all the best permanant AC boosting things and Basil and Thawm get second hand goodies. Maybe in those orders.

Also, in case it wasn't obvious in the gameplay thread, Thawm needs her beauty sleep ;p

So heads up to everyone. I am going on a vacation this week for a few weeks. I will have my computer, and likely a lot of time to post. But things might get a bit slow here and there.

Again, sorry for all the delays lately. Life is just full of stuff. But I am not going anywhere. Expect a post or two from me soon.

Can anyone give Basil or Keldor a light source so that they can see where they're running? I think light as bright as a torch would work... right?
@GM Nex: It'd be +1 light level 40' away and a horse's speed is only 35' under medium encumbrance.
@Basil and/or Keldor: do both of you guys weigh more than 230 lbs with equipment? 'cause if one of you can weigh less than a light horse's light encumbrance, you could move 250' per round for 17 rounds on horseback without the horse even making a con check >:3
...while making ranged attacks, now that I think about it. Basil? Are you too fat? ;p
Or can you got 4/5ths of a mile in 108 seconds on horseback? >:D
@GM Nex again: Running 175' per round isn't that f ast when the horse can see 80' away, right?

...If the rider has low-light vision too (and a torch equivalent), they'd see 80' too :3

I found it too late to avoid a double post (shouldn't have cleaned up before finding it maybe...), but now I'm curious if Basil is above average or below average weight for an android :3

Androids are roughly the same size as humans; on average, they are 6 feet tall and weigh 200 pounds.

To run it would all need to be a straight line, don't forget. This is a semi busy town, with lots of buildings.

There's a character picture in the profile.
Does she look fat?
She's also described as 'slender' in her description.

Furthermore, as mentioned, she does not depend on light, but can make use of low-light. The point is: While using light slightly expands the visible radius, staying in the dark does not give away her position, so often, using Darkvision may be preferable.
Probably not for the horse though.

@Keldor: I did want to communicate what she saw on her next turn(that is, now), but I can't very well shout back towards you and not expect them to notice me :)