GM Nayr's Carrion Crown AP

Game Master Nayr Trebrot

yeah, wow!

Lol, the build sacrifices a whole lot of flexibility and utility. If I was not going for story motivation I would have chosen a better weapon for this.

well, sometimes you just need someone who can dish out a big can of whoopass

Yep, also draws attention from the squishier targets. Best way to tank, be an actual threat.

Sorry everyone..been in the Netherlands at a conference . Conference is over, and just ppl watching in a Rotterdam cafe now.

wow, I totally misread your comment as "Been at the Neanderthals conference"

That would be an interesting conference! I was at the International Society for Autism Research.

I've been thinking about asking to rebuild Rufus as a Vivisectionist Alchemist. With Gur joining in on the fun, two fighters feels a little redundant. Especially with Gur being such a specialist at 2h damage. Alchemist would add some additional utility, and Rufus's background and persona fit the vivisectionist perfectly. On the other hand, it would be a little jarring transitioning from greatsword-wielding-hulk to sneak-dagger-wielding-surgeon.

I'm not married to this idea but any means, but have been thinking about it for a couple of days and thought I'd get everyone's feedback.

You could always keep the greatsword and go grenadier.

not sure it's a bad thing to have two guys who can deal and take a fair amount of damage

Gur: TH Fighter
Leeoli: Investigator (alchemist/rogue hybrid)
Rufus Current: Fighter with some alchemical bits
Rufus Potential Future: Alchemist

Rufus potential: Alchemist with some rogue bits.

Also, vivisectionist and grenadier stack. So, problems solved. You can have your sneak attack and big honking sword too.

good point about vivisectionist.

Havent looked into it. How would mutation warrior be as a four level dip for alchemist? probably bad I am guessing.

The lack of intelligence is the big issue. Honestly, if he wasn't doing a full rebuild, I would suggest going bloodrager and taking the untouchable archetype so he doesn't have to worry about the lack of charisma. Otherwise his lack of stats makes it nearly impossible to do a good branch out, maybe slayer...

Rufus, I'm definitely fine with a rebuild - part of the fun is seeing your characters evolve throughout the game. This book is a bit different, so you'll definitely have chances to explore other talents. There should be less dungeon crawl in this one and you'll be in a large city.

I like Gurs suggestion to stack vivisectionist with grenadier! I'll work on some crunch today

That sounds really cool and, in the case of the vivisectionist, works well with the flavor of book 2:)

Thanks GM! Here's the preliminary crunch. I chose the dual talent alt racial trait to get +2 Int/Str. I'll still be melee combatant, and so I've taken toughness and power attack as feats, and Preserve Organs and Spontaneous Healing as discoveries. The grenadier archetype grants precise bombs as a bonus feat, but vivisectionist loses them entirely in favor of sneak attack. Otherwise I think it's pretty straightforward. If anyone has any suggestions I'm glad to hear them.

If you can't meet the prerequisites of having bombs, or if you already have the feat normally, you default to just a bonus feat.

Nice Rufus, I definitely like it, and you don't give up a ton in melee. All good to run with it!

If you can't meet the prerequisites of having bombs, or if you already have the feat normally, you default to just a bonus feat.

Nice. GM, what's your ruling on this? I'm finishing up Rufus (using the same 3,100gp that Rufus was originally built with) and that's my last question. If I get a bonus feat, I'll take Extra Discovery (Infusion).

Take the bonus feat

I understand if you want to RP Rufus as a secretive or private sort of alchemist. However the fact that both Rufus and Leeoli use extracts and there is no real limit to the number of formulas that can be recorded in their formulae book, it would be beneficial if Rufus and Leeoli share their formulae lists.

Leeoli's Formulae Book
1. Long Arm
2. Heightened Awareness
3. Shield
4. Reduce Person
5. Detect Undead
6. True Strike
7. Alchemical Spittle
8. Blurred Movement
Derived from spellbook:
8. Comprehend Languages
9. Levitate (2nd Level)
10.False Life (2nd Level)

Fantastic! I hadn't even thought about the fact we can share formulae. My formula book is spoilered in my profile.

Ink costs to scribe: 1st level 10gp/formula; 2nd level 40gp/formula
I scribed 4 1st level formulae (reduce person, detect undead, adhesive spittle, blurred movement, 40gp) and 2 2nd level formulae (false life, levitate, 80gp). I have 35gp left. Plus 500gp from clearing Harrowstone, this brings me to 535gp. I'll be glad to "pay" for Leeoli's scribing by giving him the appropriate value of ink; just let me know how many formulae you scribe.

Lepidstadt map added above

Yeah I'm pretty jazzed!

Good point about the ink costs. I will scribe all I can afford (or take the charity).
I am unsure if Leeoli can actually scribe 2nd level extracts yet, or if he has to wait until next level..the cost of taking a 1 level dip in Swash buckler for my Swashigator.

I will scribe:
bull's strength
cure light wounds
enlarge person
expeditious retreat
identify

although bulls strength and enlarge person generally don't buff Leeoli that well for his build

they may not buff you to the greatest extent, Leeoli, but once you have extracts that can affect others, toss one down Gur's throat and watch him split bad guys in two

Oh thats right there is some feat or discovery that makes osme of these shareable.

Gur enlarged is scary..I'm not even sure if he is in the medium build now? :)

Perhaps Leeoli and Rufus can, at some point, craft some alchemical items.

Discovery: Infusion

As long as GM doesn't consider it too meta games, we can also coordinate extracts as we level. This could make for some fun mad scientist rp. I plan on taking up alchemical allocation next level, for example.

Yeah I'm pretty jazzed!

Good point about the ink costs. I will scribe all I can afford (or take the charity).
I am unsure if Leeoli can actually scribe 2nd level extracts yet, or if he has to wait until next level..the cost of taking a 1 level dip in Swash buckler for my Swashigator.

I will scribe:
bull's strength
cure light wounds
enlarge person
expeditious retreat
identify

although bulls strength and enlarge person generally don't buff Leeoli that well for his build

Subject to GM approval, I'll deduct the requisite 80gp from my inventory to represent the consumed ink (that's some really expensive ink), and this should be no cost to you.

@GM: (1) is crafting allowed? (2) if so, do you prefer core or unchained crafting rules?

Alchemical Allocation. Such an awesome spell.
I think its not even meta for them to coordinate. Two smart guys would not needlessly duplicate their research efforts.

Cat's Grace will definitely be his first 2nd level formulae. He'll get a new 1st level also, which will probably be monkey fish.

Rufus, I'm quite cool with all of this, I'm enjoying the interaction. I'm okay with crafting, certainly, and should be with unchained as well, but need to research it a bit more. Can you tell me what you're looking into doing with said unchained crafting - a rough idea is fine.

Great!

I honestly don't know. The unchained crafting rules are supposedly simpler. Probably creating alchemical items for reduced cost. Beyond that, I'd have to research it myself.

Bandoliers of alchemical fire for the flavor

Leeoli I forgot that Vivsectionist also grants deathwatch to my formula book at 2nd level. If you want to scribe that also just say so.

Unchained it is:)

Rufus..wow that seems better than detect undead. Unfortunately, that is not part of the alchemist spell list, so looks like it is special to Vivsectionist..

Dura did it. Now all I can read is 'sausage effigy'

Ha!

The loot is really a mess now with all the changing of characters in the first chapter, treasure unliquidfied and unsure of how to split.

I'd like to do like Rufus and go with a clean slate: starting wealth guidelines + couple items/events acquired since level 4 began. In terms of artifacts we could either drop them, or if relevant to the story, keep.

I'd also propose that we periodically liquidate our unwanted loot at 50% name value (if story allows) to keep things clean going forward. The chapters take too long to do it once per chapter, so maybe every month or so real life time.

am okay with however loot is handled. I'm flexible like that

I hope Im not being a pain but I think it would be nice to kind of get everyone on the same page again.

I am assuming that Gur and Rufus went by the 6000 gp guidelines for a 4th level character.

For simplicity we can divide everything up evenly between all four of us from that point on since there isn't much.

Significant loot since leveling:

500 gp clearing the prison
1000 gp delivering tome
+1 Keen Longsword 8320 gp
+1Dagger 2310 gp
+1 ring protection 2000 gp
Bane Dagger +1 8320 gp

If we liquidated those * 50% = 1040 gp each

Budget then is: 8540gp = 6000+1040+1000+500

Now if this is being to pushy GM Nayr let me know..Just trying to kind of sort things out equably.

I went with 3100gp starting wealth, plus 500gp from clearing the prison. But I'm all for bringing everyone up to the same level.

Bringing up is just fine Rufus and Gur both.

I'm perfectly fine with that Leeoli...and as long as you're not stuck in a situation which wouldn't allow, you can liquidate periodically as needed.

I'm just glad you're keeping track of it; I hate games where its given out and then just dissappears

I'm gonna suggest hanging on to the bane dagger (the third module in the AP is a werewolf one). And does no one want the ring of protection? I'll take it if no one else wants it