GM-Foxy's Hell's Rebels (Inactive)

Game Master Foxy Quickpaw

I'm fine with Saul getting the cloak of elvenkind and selling the leather armor. I'm not requesting any of the items.

If no one else wants, Saul could use the cloak of elvenkind.

Foxy, I apologize if you told us this already, how do you want us to determine value of sellable items, and then, is it full price to sell those or half-price?

Saul can unload what he is carrying and give the group a little infusion of cash.

You determine the values of the stuff by using your appraise skill. And you make it to money by finding someone who is willing to pay for that stuff. Like a pawnbroker. Someone with know local will know someone, or with diplomacy can get to one too.

And then you tell what you want to sell and the sleazy guy behind the counter will appraise that stuff and make you an offer.

And no, the silver ravens are no sellable items in this time in Kintargo. Even your shady pawnbroker won't be seen with that in his inventory.

I'll think of some figure an da place to put that shop later.

Mels wouldn't be opposed to the Cloak of Resistance, but it's probably a hot commodity being what it is.

I didn't forget the pawn shop visit. I just need half an hour to sit down and prepare that.

I figured! Dealing with equipment is work.

@Fhingle-- bald guy who always seems upset at something. Ha ha ha! I love it.

@GM Foxy how would we go about seeking a specific magic item? Specifically Salonius would love to get his hands on Sleeves of Many Garments 200gp which might well be useful to the whole party.

Is there some kind of mechanic to determine if we can know about, and/or find a particular magic item?

A question for the party:

How do we want to handle non-sold loot? For example, the magic cloaks are worth something, probably more than our shares are.

This is my second gaming playing a "Small" race, I know that there will be minimal if any loot that drops that will be sized for Fhingle and I am ok with that. His equipment over all will cost less.

@ Meliandri - I think if people take a cloak now they hold off on other loot till everyone is kinda caught up on WBL? Since the cloak is worth 1000 gold which puts you close to 3rd level for WBL.

My suggestion would be to tally up all items at their sale value, half cost price, and then divide into either 5 or 6 shares depending on whether we want a party fund for group utility items like cure wands. Since we need to keep the Silver Ravens, we can probably just take one each and give Rexus one excluding them from calculations.

I think Saul offered to track loot and imagine he was meaning something like that?

A question for the party:

How do we want to handle non-sold loot? For example, the magic cloaks are worth something, probably more than our shares are.

I would suggest to discuss this in game. With Meliandri either demanding to get one, because she's used to get wat she wants. Or instead refusing to take any, as a rat gnawed on cloak is below her as is a cloak making her look unremarkable.

With Fingle not daring to ask for something, much less demand as a former slave. Or demand because he wasn't as a slave. And if someone wants to count beans, then also in game please.

If someone falls behind because of this, just tell me and I might drop a useful item especially fitting te needs of someone left behind because of RP reasons.

1000gp is 2nd level WBL btw.

And this AP seems to be heavy on useful loot.

Have we actually established what the magic items are?

@GM Foxy how would we go about seeking a specific magic item? Specifically Salonius would love to get his hands on Sleeves of Many Garments 200gp which might well be useful to the whole party.

Is there some kind of mechanic to determine if we can know about, and/or find a particular magic item?

Such minor stuff is available. The question is how you get your hands on one, or find someone who is able to craft it. You got disguise self on your spell list? If not it might be a sidequest.

I do, but you cannot take Craft Wondrous Item until 3rd level so making it myself is out, though I could provide the spell - I think it is in my Spell book, though I need to check on herolab.

Wonderful. Now you either have to find someone who has Craft Wondrous items in Kintargo, or find someone who can organize such items. As the first AP is stretching over 7 weeks, we are not in a hurry and can play such things out.

Any response on trying to translate the papers? Waiting on that before I take other actions.

As for magical items - There is no list with magic item names that are recognized throughout Golarion. It more like: This is the legendary sword that Trakhum the Glorious - my great grandfathers - wielded in the great civil war to fight the devils. Instead of that +2 evil outsider bane longsword.

Sleeves of many garments is pretty close to a mundane description. But I assume it's nothing everyone and his uncle has seen and knows. Please keep that in mind when searching for magical items. And also for descriptions to your companions, once you identify the magical goods.

As for the sleeve of many garments, that ship has sailed. But for reference I'd imagine, you'd search for a way to have your disguise self ready as a item you can command, instead of preparing this spell everyday. And then go to find something that does this.

Because catalogue of items ready at hand is Shadowrun, not Pathfinder, at least in my imagination.

My suggestion would be to tally up all items at their sale value, half cost price, and then divide into either 5 or 6 shares depending on whether we want a party fund for group utility items like cure wands. Since we need to keep the Silver Ravens, we can probably just take one each and give Rexus one excluding them from calculations.

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I think Saul offered to track loot and imagine he was meaning something like that?

That's is way overcomplicated. How about whoever can best use the item, that person gets it. And if it is an item that everyone can use, we roll on it or people just let someone have it, and we do our best make sure everyone is getting something.

I want to treat this like we are playing at a table together and are friends, not like we are all just trying to maximize ourselves. The group is what matters.

I do like the idea of dividing up money into six parts and starting a "party fund" to buy items like wands. Let's just start doing that from here on out.

For our current magic items:
Salonius gets all the scrolls

Saul takes the cloak of elvenkind

Jhen, Fhingle, and Mels can roll off (d100) on the cloak of resistance.

Magic Leather Armor: Does anyone want it? We can sell otherwise.

MW Silver Morningstar: We should use it. Saul can wield it,
but maybe Jhen or Mels want it. Just claim it and it is yours.

I was waiting for Salonius to officially identify everything before saying something in game. If you did, I missed it.

Salonius can't ID anything because he doesn't have the spells today. Gotta wait until tomorrow.

@Saul that is what we do in all the group I have played in and it really is not that complicated I would be happy to do the book keeping, there are even apps setup to do it so you just plug in. I would happily chuck up a Google spreadsheet everyone can view.

I appreciate everyone might not want that way, but I think it is much fairer so it is my preferred option. For example Fhingle would not get the short straw for being small, and people would not get pigeon holed, stuck with stuff that fits "the wizard" but not their character, etc.

If there is no cost I would rather have The Cloak of Elvenkind, Salonius, is the most stealthy character by a fair margin and has and will use the skill in combat and out. But as a first level wizard scrolls and the money to craft them are a priority.

Isn't ID'ing just a spellcraft check?

Ok, Salonius, I have no problem handing reins of the items over to you. Happy to trust you.

Though I would roll against you for that cloak. The only reason Saul isn't stealthy yet is lack of skillpoints. I will take stealth next level. Seems like something a PI should be able to.

No, it is a spellcraft check in conjunction with Detect Magic.

Is the rest of the group happy with that? Maybe we see how it works out and if it proves too complex we switch to a less structured method?

Loot is my least favorite part of Pathfinder, so any system we have works for me.

Same here.

Current Loot

As long as I'm not keeping track of it I'm happy.

So you'll have to explain it to me a bit, Salonius. Are you giving me the cloak of elvenkind, then, so that puts me in the hole, so to speak, vs. everyone else. Do I still get the cash?

Also- we just split up 1500 and a little bit, not 575 in actual coin, so I am not sure where that number came from.

Also- if you are selling the leather armor, where is that money going.

Actually all of those questions can be cleared up with a post in game by Salonius... as long as you understand the system and can tell us who gets what clearly, then I am good.

Its not like you are really in the hole as it were it is just like a method to ensure everybody keeps more or less even. Its just a way of tracking how things balance out rather than relying upon the flow of treasure to favor everyone equally.

When we sell something the money goes into a group purse, kept wherever, by whoever - a bank might not be a bad shout if they are reliable? This money can then be withdrawn and taken from the share of those who withdraw it. So if Salonius takes 125gp so he can scribe ten scrolls his share goes down accordingly.

I have not included the coin from the mundane items you just sold, I certainly can if you would like? It is nice to have easily accessible records of wealth in case you get confused or forget, etc.

Generally it is more about keeping things even than anyone being in actual debt. So it is just a sort of points score letting us all know where we stand.

The 575gp is from the sale of the +1 Leather Armor and the Scroll of Pass Without Trace, which I felt were safe sale assumptions - I should probably have waited until we actually sold them in game.

If someone wants to cash out their share in coin we have to take that from actual coin, or sell more items to get actual coin. So generally any items nobody claims will be sold, or taken as party items. I feel there may be a case for some of the scrolls being party items so I have yet to mark them as sold. I am considering taking Whispering Wind for Salonius, but it seems like a scriber rather than a scroller...

Part of the idea behind the system - which to be clear I certainly did not invent everyone seemed to use it at the game store I started playing at when I lived in the U.S - is that it encourages players to keep items picked up as loot because they get them at half price. So in theory you are better off keeping as many items as possible.

I should probably just add in the 1500gp if there are no objections?

I will make a proposal in game after we deal with the cellar, and try to be clearer :) I will likely just have Salonius keep a ledger in the back of his spell book which is the same as the spreadsheet.

The concept is still not 100% in my mind, but that is ok. So if you want to record the 1500 gold, do I need to erase the 300ish gold in my inventory?

Salonius concept has no consequences in game as it just documents what is for ooc comparison of wealth.

You can take the coins, put them under your pillow and it is Salonius problem to properly note that down on the sheet.

The sheet sums the 50% sell value of all items and divides them by the number of players. Which is 677.9 gold.

This share is listed in the second row as the share under every players name. And when someone gets an item then the 50%sell value gets subtracted from that character's share listed under his name.

Meliandri got the cloak of resistance assigned. So she has a balance of 677.9 - 500 = 177.9 on her account.

Saul got 677.9 - 1250 = -572.1 for getting the elven cloak.

If the 1500 gold get included, this raises the share of everyone to 977.9, but in your case it wouldn't change your balance, as you got them in your pouch leading to
977.9 -1250 -300 = -572.1

This only has some consequence in game when you find the next stuff, or you need extra money from the group money you will have once the stuff is sold and Meliandri points out, that it is her turn to buy some new clothes, because she has nothing to wear to the opera and you have to wait and can't get more money as you got more than your share already.

If no one cares and you need that special holy devil bane spear that noone else can use to kill the endboss, you'll get it even though you got the largest share already.

Like every system, this one has some flaws too. If you for example find the unique +2 defending goblin bane sword (you know that legendary sword that this cousin on your mothers side...) that lists for 32.000 that costs 4 times what it is worth for the average player saving his or her coin.

Because who in his right mind would take defending and goblin bane sword if it puts your balance into the negatives, so you don't get anything for the next three levels.

Ran into that problem already in other games. It is no problem, as long as the group is reasonable in correcting the value in share to the wroth it actually has for the player.

Salonius, please put up the map of the Longroad Coffeesop. All three floors please.

So I have that 300 old on hand? And everyone else does too?

You shared them in game, so yes. As long as no one collects it again to put it to the bank.

Okay map is up, caught me at just the wrong time I am afraid. If you have the map image Foxy all you need to do is click on the prvious map hit delete and then paste the new one in in its place, well also right click go to order and select move to back. I certainly do not mind doing it, but in case I do not respond for a bit, etc.

Do you prefer the map tagless with grid like I have it? I did not want to read the tags so I just switched them straight off, but if there is a permutation from the PDF portfolio you prefer just let me know. Was not sure where the basement entrance was so placement is probably off.

I left one of each badguy we have encountered off to the side feel free to delete if you do not need them.

Ok, I tried it out to replace the background map. As the one you used lacked the basement room Saul and Mel stood in. Didn't think I could simply paste it. But this way I can really do it myself, with no delay do to /sleep/work/real life in general.

Great :) Do you want permission to edit the loot list BTW? I have not opened it up at the moment because its fairly easy to make mistakes, so if it goes wrong with just me able to edit I know who to blame...

Also just posted a Giantslayer Recruitment, hopefully GMing being a pedantic rules lawyer SOB is less of a bug, and more of a feature ;)

I was a bit disappointed, that I can't see the formulas behind the characters accounts, but I definitely don't want to edit that.

Great :) Do you want permission to edit the loot list BTW? I have not opened it up at the moment because its fairly easy to make mistakes, so if it goes wrong with just me able to edit I know who to blame...

Also just posted a Giantslayer Recruitment, hopefully GMing being a pedantic rules lawyer SOB is less of a bug, and more of a feature ;)

Very interesting.... so tell me, S, what is your favorite class. Just curious...

edit: Ah, realistically I don't dare apply. I am running my own recruitment right now, if anyone is interested: http://paizo.com/campaigns/KingmakerAPWithGMMustache/recruiting&page=2# 87

LOL, I love a Swashbuckler just got to do a swaggering introduction where I introduced my team one by one and got to use the immortal line, "more charismatic than a chocolate cheerleader." Its in a sort of modern setting where dungeon crawling is a sport, called XCrawl.

I had thought about applying for yours, but with my own recruitment it would likely be a stretch, and Kingmaker has broken my heart too many times *sob* ;)

I was a bit disappointed, that I can't see the formulas behind the characters accounts, but I definitely don't want to edit that.

I've not actually set up formulas for everything yet, I suspect that might get quite complex though it is likely doable. As a high tech individual I have a calculator on my desk ;p

Also just posted a Giantslayer Recruitment, hopefully GMing being a pedantic rules lawyer SOB is less of a bug, and more of a feature ;)

Just read your application rules. Not sure if I would even 'need to apply' :D

Also I'm already playing in a Giant Slayer game.

LOL, its more a shoot for the stars kinda thing... In practice I find the first few weeks are much better than average, and then when things inevitably slip back a bit I have an excuse to nag. Overall I think the game is better for everyone, and it really is only a tiny bit more work.

Most everyone in this recruitment thread have said they have already been in 1-3 failed Kingmakers... It does make me think. It requires people who are very willing to RP and be independent. Kinda like the first few weeks of this game, I think.

True, that said it is consistently ranked as one of the best APs. I would find the longest running couple of Kingmaker games on the boards and see what they are doing right, maybe see if you can find a few wound up ones and see if you can identify the problems that caused them to shut down? The individual AP forums usually have some pretty good advice and resources to, if you have not checked them out.

I suspect a big part of that is a lot of PBPs fizzle out and Kingmaker is an older AP so there have simply been more fizzles.

Most everyone in this recruitment thread have said they have already been in 1-3 failed Kingmakers... It does make me think. It requires people who are very willing to RP and be independent. Kinda like the first few weeks of this game, I think.

Interesting would be to find out were they failed. I really disliked the kingdom mini game that starts with book 2. To me it felt like having to do taxes instead of adventuring.

I'm currently in a pbp Kingmaker campaign and and I agree the kingdom mini game can be a grind. Also, the campaign, at times, does not give a clear direction on where to head or what to do and players can feel lost.

The random encounters in book 1 really bog down play. In our pbp the GM cut out most of the random encounters and described/summarized the exploration of Hexes. Hope this helps/makes sense.

I'm going to be away for a couple days. Bot me as needed.

Can I just clarify whether firing into melee has a 50% chance of hitting either grappler? There is no such text in PF, but some reasonable GMs rule that as an accidental omission and go with the 3.5 rule - I fall into the it is intentionally omitted camp since in PF grapples are adjacent rather than sharing space, etc.