
Yvell Endymion |

So the last would be Valtyra choosing
If it was three individually I actually would have chosen our first three applicants. I know Bron is a good player as well but had issues from he Blue team. I am however confused as to why he would not simply join the Blue team again. He would have some sort of senority with them and Im sure they want him back.

Yvell Endymion |

Not directly, but not unlikely either, two characters from this game went over there. Im not fully sure how they have been meshing.

Yvell Endymion |

Congratulations on all who were picked and to Bron for finding a group. I suppose a proper summation/Introduction post is in order. At least for Yvell. Let's have some fun... one small thing Gram... your HP is really high for a 6th level char.. but I don't see anything that made it such?

Yvell Endymion |

I'm aware but 1d12 is only AVG +1 or 2 more. Now Muga And I have rolled but even then he placed all his FC points into HP which I see you did not.
Not The biggest Deal I have you at 12+28+12+6 for 58 base 6 if you place 2 FC into HP.

Grammanar Gun-Runner |

Turns out the tech I could afford doesn't hit any harder than regular guns, and those use easier ammo. If we run into anyone with a laser pistol, I'll try to disarm it and use it myself, but I figure the tech will get cooler in later books one way or another.

Yvell Endymion |

Well, Yes and no.. they hit harder in the sense they do different effects or damage types and cant jam ever. Reloading is also easier and about as expensive. But as you said the ones you could afford.

Juxt Ventalem |

Thanks for the tip. I haven't got a chance to catch up and post yet because my wife ended up going to the hospital today (she's okay) and had to catch up on work that I missed.
I'll catch up in a hour or two and get a post down.
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Grammanar Gun-Runner |

Sure, but... at 8k gp, that's have your wbl and a big investment anyway. (And Furious is usually better than Courageous at lower power levels?) It certainly effects my future plans for this guy, though.
Might eventually get an Invigorating off-hand weapon? That would make Furious Finish decent (but never great).

Yvell Endymion |

Indeed.... if mine were 16 k, point is The change was a change not a clarification and they tried to pass it off as if its fine.. like the crane wing nerf.

Juxt Ventalem |

I pretty strongly disagree with that, it was a fine feat as it was. It was situationally very strong, and other times just a solid option. More feats should have been like Crane Wing, not less.
Just my 2 cents.
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Grammanar Gun-Runner |

Crane Wing they changed because it was confusing... honestly, I don't think its power changed much (especially with Crane Riposte), and even the old version is one of the Combat Styles I'd consider "underpowered" with ACG and Unchained. Because daaang.

Yvell Endymion |

Exactly, the feat in any way shape and form required alot to get and should be where feats are. The main contributor against it was " But noooo, Trex's lose to this feat "
It was one of the easiest feats to get around too.
Unchained was meh.. very meh. The only class that got a buff was Rogue... and its Rogue.

Juxt Ventalem |

Paizo likes to go through phases of insanity where they just arbitrarily change things.
Like how SLAs didn't qualify for feats, then they did, now they don't again. Something I've flat out ignored when GMing because of how pointless that reverted ruling was. Is a rogue or fighter with Arcane Strike really making casters feel inadequate? Is it really?
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Perdix the Scholar |

Crane wing was fairly nasty when you paired it with Serpent Style. However that's a function of Master of Many styles far more than Crane Wing itself.
They often make something that can be broken in certain combinations, then fix the wrong part.

Juxt Ventalem |

Well that's half their problem, anytime they see something they don't like, instead of isolating the interaction and using a surgeon's grace to scalpel out that problem, they instead grab a chainsaw and Paul Bunion their way through half their rule book to not only kill the offending interaction but everyone and thing that interaction loved, and any civilians that got caught in the way.
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Juxt Ventalem |

Everytime I open up a new FAQ I feel like a worshipper of some Greco-Roman capricious God who blesses you one minute and smites the other.
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Grammanar Gun-Runner |

Oh... looks like Crane Wing was errata'd twice, and I'm only reading the second one.
That said, being able to constantly deflect all attacks from half the bestiary at level 5 isn't as much broken as just patently absurd. Like, why can a low-level monk punch away a dinosaur's bite with 100% success? If they did it as opposed attack rolls, or (like Deflect Arrows) put an enemy size limit on it, it would make a lot more sense to me.
Also, the modified Crane Wing appears to be better for a focused grappler build, but otherwise, eh.
Things to keep an eye out for in Unchained:
-Unchained Kirin Strike: Mindchemists, Lore Wardens, and Kensai are now even more deadly than their vanilla classes
-Flying Kick: UMonks can now deal ridiculous amounts of damage to multiple enemies. Elf Monks become actually powerful.
-Signature Skill: Intimidate is ridiculous; Ride changes some combat options; Diplomacy and Sense Motive both drastically change social interactions
-Unchained Quarterstaff Master: Staff Magus can TWF while Spellstriking
-Unchained Step Up: Actually good
-Unchained Combat Expertise: Effectively no attack penalty
-Unchained Agile Maneuvers: Your halfling can now trip a colossal dragon

Juxt Ventalem |

The old crane wing had a lot of counter play to it, especially Vs things with intelligence.
Not to mention if you couldn't fight defensively for some reason, you couldn't wing, which can happen a lot.
Not to mention the most effective creatures it's against are vermin and beasts, who attack the closest things to them that hit the hardest.
If you're crane winging, sure the Trex might lose one attack to you, but as soon as the barbarian hits him, he's going for the barbarian, not you.
Not to mention the Cardinal rule of Pathfinder. Action economy is everything. No matter how strong you put a creature up against a party, a 1v4 is never going to be favorable.
But if you didn't use a Trex but instead two Shambling Mounds, that monk is DED.
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Juxt Ventalem |

The other mound still gets an attack through a round too you know.
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Muga |

The real point of old Crane Wing was making a characters who were hard to hit, and making them nigh invulnerable. Because you got to use it after determining whether you were hit.

Juxt Ventalem |

The point is, in a 1vX it always favors the party. Even if the BBEG is a lich or whatever, besides especially bad luck or a CR+8 or something like that over the party they will always win. Maybe with a death or an unconscious player or two, but it's just the nature of the game.
This is where Crane Wing is strongest, in a situation where the party was already going to win.
But as you add more and more threats the value of crane wing continues to diminish.
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Yvell Endymion |

Yvell has everything Purchased and Changed around.
4000 Amulet of Mighty Fists for Phylla
2350 +1 Chainsaw
3000 +1 Autograpnel
1000 Techno-magic combination of Chainsaw and Elven Curve Blade
750 Uninstall and Remounting of Autograpnals
6000 Add Furious to Newly crafted Chainsawblade
6000 Torc of the Primal Song
400 4 batteries
-1000 Selling the Timeworn Autograpnel T-T
=
22500
Leaving 357.825 left in amount.
Changes to Yvell are Dim Seer to Community Minded
Exotic Weapon Prof Adjusted for New Weapon
Racial Heritage Orc Taken
Amplified Rage Switched out for Distracting Charge
Shake it Off Changed For Outflank

Grammanar Gun-Runner |

Sorry, that was a grammatical uncertainty—I think I meant "if you have taken..."
Cool, though. Too bad you've got no way to grant/share all those teamwork feats, but you could probably coordinate with Juxt on that one.