I could probably use some stuff, but would have to check. I am open to suggestions. I'm out for the day and will be back later in the evening.
Daylight should cancel out any darkness. I would like for some of the full casters to have heightened daylight to come out first in any case, but as tink doesn't have the feat, there is only Balthazar left, but he has no 4th level spell slots.
The duration is 70min. But as you say, we don't know what kind of darkness this is. Daylight counters any magical darkness of equal or lower level. If I'd be able to cast it at 4th level it would counter any darkness, but no darkness spell would be able to counter the daylight and I would get guaranteed bright light in the room. So far we don't know and could end up in a still dark room, even with daylight active.
Craft post 1
I am giving myself 8 hours of crafting the previous day.
Bracers of Falcon's Aim 4000GP
Cl 3rd
20 from ranks and skill focus and other. +2 from cooperative crafting, +5 Mythic Crafter Feat, +4 Arcane Builder Discovery.
Crit Success
Reduce cost by 25%
2000GP Per day
Cost=4000-0.25*4000-0.05*4000(spark of creation) = 2800GP
CHALLENGING CONSTRUCTION
One or more elements of your item's design are particularly difficult to execute.
+2 from cooperative crafting, +5 Mythic Crafter Feat, +4 Arcane Builder Discovery
Critical Success Challenge exceeded. –1 day, –10% cost.
Cost=2800-0.1*4000=2400GP
Finish The Item
+2 Co-operative crafting, +5 Mythic Crafter Feat, +4 Arcane Builder Discovery
Critical Success You complete the item with a masterful flourish. Reduce the item's cost by 10%.
Final Cost 2400 - 0.1*4000 = 2000GP
Final Time (2000 Gold per day, doubled to 4000 with crafting mastery, doubled to 8000 with cooperative crafting. But I Craft 25% faster meaning I complete 10 000 GP per 8 hours. So I take 4/10 of 8 hours which is 192 Minutes (3 hours and 12 minutes)
If you let me increase the DCs by 5 to accelerate crafting I instead get it done 1 hour 36 minutes.)
Azrael now at just under 9k.
Craft post 2
I am giving myself 8 hours of crafting the previous day. 96 Minutes gone.
Belt of dex +2 4000GP
Cl 8
20 from ranks and skill focus and other. +2 from cooperative crafting, +5 Mythic Crafter Feat, +4 Arcane Builder Discovery.
Crit Success
Reduce cost by 25%
2000GP Per day
Cost=4000-0.25*4000-0.05*4000(spark of creation) = 2800GP
INTRUSIVE SPIRIT
Your item's creation draws the attention of a wandering spirit with some affinity for the item.
+2 from cooperative crafting, +5 Mythic Crafter Feat, +4 Arcane Builder Discovery
Critical Success Item proceeds as normal but becomes an intelligent item of your alignment, and it likes you.
Cost=2800
Finish The Item
+2 Co-operative crafting, +5 Mythic Crafter Feat, +4 Arcane Builder Discovery
Critical Success You complete the item with a masterful flourish. Reduce the item's cost by 10%.
Final Cost 2800 - 0.1*4000 = 2400GP
Final Time (2000 Gold per day, doubled to 4000 with crafting mastery, doubled to 8000 with cooperative crafting. But I Craft 25% faster meaning I complete 10 000 GP per 8 hours. So I take 4/10 of 8 hours which is 192 Minutes (3 hours and 12 minutes)
If you let me increase the DCs by 5 to accelerate crafting I instead get it done 1 hour 36 minutes.)
Azrael now at ~ 11k. And has a sentient belt of dexterity.
If we don't want to go through the trouble of adding a sentient item, I have added another roll for random challenge below.
It is up to you and Raltus which you want to use.
INGREDIENTS DEVELOP QUASI-SENTIENCE
Somehow, one or more of your item's components have developed a limited intelligence.
+2 from cooperative crafting, +5 Mythic Crafter Feat, +4 Arcane Builder Discovery
Critical Success Spirit's release. –3 days, –5% cost, 1 perk.
Cost=2800-0.05*4000 = 2600GP
Eager: The item always wants to be worn or held by its owner. The owner can draw an eager weapon or handheld item as a swift action, don eager armor in half the time, and don any other eager item as a swift action, though it takes twice as long as normal to remove eager armor and 1 full round to remove or stow any other eager item. The DC to disarm or steal an eager item increases by 5.
Final Cost = 2200GP.
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So you can either have an inteligent belt for 2400, or an eager belt for 2200.
I would go for the intelligent one. It has a lot more room to add some fun RP into the game.
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96 Minutes gone again.
Craft post 3
I am giving myself 8 hours of crafting the previous day. 192 minutes gone.
Efficient Quiver 1800GP
Cl 3rd
20 from ranks and skill focus and other. +2 from cooperative crafting, +5 Mythic Crafter Feat, +4 Arcane Builder Discovery.
Crit Success
Reduce cost by 25%
2000GP Per day
Cost=1800-0.25*1800-0.05*1800(spark of creation) = 1260GP
MAGICAL RESONANCE
The magical auras of several components thrum with a strange resonance whenever they are near each other.
+2 from cooperative crafting, +5 Mythic Crafter Feat, +4 Arcane Builder Discovery
Critical Success Resonant power revealed. –1 day, 1 perk.
Cost=1260GP
Draconic: Determine a random type of chromatic or metallic dragon. The item has a sheen in the color of that dragon's scales, and grants its bearer 3 points of energy resistance against the damage type that dragon's breath weapon deals.
I will suggest we use the same type of dragon the chimera was.
Finish The Item
+2 Co-operative crafting, +5 Mythic Crafter Feat, +4 Arcane Builder Discovery
Critical Success You complete the item with a masterful flourish. Reduce the item's cost by 10%.
Final Cost 1260 - 0.1*1800 = 1080GP
Final Time (2000 Gold per day, doubled to 4000 with crafting mastery, doubled to 8000 with cooperative crafting. But I Craft 25% faster meaning I complete 10 000 GP per 8 hours. So I take 1.8/10 of 8 hours which is 86.4 Minutes
If you let me increase the DCs by 5 to accelerate crafting I instead get it done 43.2 minutes.)
Azrael now at ~ 12k.
Summary so Far:
235.2 Minutes. Call it 4 hours.
And then 2 options:
1:
Bracers of Falcons aim, at 2000gp
Belt of incredible dex, intelligent, at 2400gp
Efficient Quiver, draconic, at 1080gp
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2:
Bracers of Falcons aim, at 2000gp
Belt of incredible dex, eager, at 2200gp
Efficient Quiver, draconic, at 1080gp
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I think option 1 is the more fun and interesting option.
Drumroll...
Now it get serious.
I will do an update tonight, I have to think about this
So you would be basically starting at the Entrance to the Curtain wall around the Citadel.
I would say it would take you 5 minutes to walk to the bridge, From there I assume Tink is going to work his magic as he wants to be close to where he thinks he is going.
SO if you are doing minute per lvl buffs I would wait till you get to the bridge and Tink is about to move you all.
Lynn your Day light spell is CL 4? Or based on your level?
I am glad my character concept is starting to come together too.
His whole schtick is to make everyone else as powerful as they can be.
My crafting might be slightly more expensive than 50% on this cheaper items, but once they get more expensive, and we start adding more challenges into the construction the likelyhood of the prices coming down, and them getting more perks and interesting abilities goes up dramatically.
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I am going to throw a post together this evening to get myself a ring of sustenance to give myself an extra 6 hours a day to churn out items.
I am also going to get a lesser rod of extend and widen spell. Heighten doesn't seem to get a rod.
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This is why I was asking people for fun items to craft.
Even if it isn't something quite within the rules, Raltus has been cool with making items parallel to the rules so far, like my rag of prestidigitation for Lynn.
I want to make Azrael some boots of speed so you can haste yourself. It has been difficult on one or two occasions to get a haste on everyone as we spread out to fight,
I am also going to look at adding some other fun abilities onto the items we have.
Like Bracers of the Merciful Knight perhaps.
Look at items that you always thought sounded cool but that couldn't compete with the big 6.
This goes for everyone. If you guys maintain active wishlists I can work towards getting them for you.
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Also Azrael, don't forget your draconic quiver :P. You need to confirm with Raltus which dragon it is.
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Also, Azrael, might I suggest activating your Divine Bond as well?
Just occured to me.
You instantly transfer yourself from your current location to any other spot within range. You always arrive at exactly the spot desired – whether by simply visualizing the area or by stating direction. After using this spell, you can’t take any other actions until your next turn. You can bring along objects as long as their weight doesn’t exceed your maximum load. You may also bring one additional willing Medium or smaller creature (carrying gear or objects up to its maximum load) or its equivalent per three caster levels. A Large creature counts as two Medium creatures, a Huge creature counts as two Large creatures, and so forth. All creatures to be transported must be in contact with one another, and at least one of those creatures must be in contact with you.
You didn't see anything so you will need to be very descriptive in how you plan to end up where you want.
Also the second bolded Point.
1.Azrael
2.Lynn
3.Balthazar
4. SteelGate????
You cannot bring him since you cannot get to 12th level to bring him with you. I am not poo pooing your plan just thinking about it from the GM perspective
SteelGate is staying behind and watching Blue.
I will reply to the first point shortly.
The not being able to act limits only the caster, as I understand it.
The thing with visualizing it is simply having the picture in your mind. And the magic sorts it out where that place is. There is nothing stated about gettign chances, if you visualize one specific of three identical privies to show up in the wrong one. That's the charm with the spell.
The Quiver would be from a White Dragon so 3 points of Cold
I like the idea of an intelligent belt, I will figure that out tonight as well.
Lynn basically beat me to it.
Dim Door says I need to be able to visualise.
Akashic communion gives me glimpses of what I would have seen had I gone to the akashic records.
I have had a vision of the room, from the spell, which lets me visualise the room for dim door.
I know I wasn't going to make you roll just wanted to see what you said for a description and where in the Room you "planned" to go
For description I was going to go along the lines of:
"Visualising the dark space that he saw from the last flash of vision Tink casts a spell."
In terms of where in the room, it would be wherever he experienced the vision from in the room.
I'd like anything that boosts Charisma :)
I am doing some test rolling to see how making a more expensive item would go. I am not actually making the item, just seeing how it would go.
We are going to see what it would cost me, and how long it would take to upgrade Lynn's glaive to a +5 weapon (50 000gp - 2 000gp = 48 000GP Base cost.
"The process includes one additional challenge per 5,000 gp in the item's market price (minimum 1)"
So that's 10 Challenges
We are looking at a CL 9 here, for a +2 Impact Evil Outsider Bane weapon.
93–100 Class-specific challenge
OTHERWORLDLY AID
29–32 Enticing offer
33–36 Fragile components
53–56 Intrusive spirit
33–36 Fragile components
17–20 Distracting visitor
45–48 Infested ingredients
61–64 Magical resonance
81–84 Sesquipedalian elucidation
17–20 Distracting visitor
Crit Success
Reduce cost by 25%
2000GP Per day
Success Effective Aid. –3 days, –5% cost, 1 quirk.
Critical Success It actually worked! –1 day, –5% cost, 1 quirk.
Success Undamaged components. No adjustment.
Success No adjustment for exorcising the spirit
Failure Damaged components. +1 day, +5% cost.
Critical Success Unexpected helpfulness. –1 day, –5% cost.
Critical Success Seller's market. –5% cost.
Critical Success Resonant power revealed. –1 day, 1 perk.
Critical Success Master of erudition. –3 days, –5% cost.
Failure Distracted. +1 day, 1 quirk.
Success You have completed the item.
Total Results:
Cost: -5% (trait) -25% -5% -5% -0 -0 +5% -5% -5% -0 -5% -0 -0 = 50%
Time = 48 000/8000 = 6 Days -0 -3 -1 -0 -0 +1 -1 -0 -1 -3 +1 +0 = 1 Day
Quirks: 3
Perks: 1
If I get arcane builder (weapons) I get no failures, which removes both +1 days, and the +5%. It also makes me crit succeed on finishing.
So my cost comes down to 35% and I lose a quirk.
If I know I am going to be crafting for a day, and nothing else, I will prepare spells to assist with my crafing challenges, like fox's cunning, crafters fortune, and burn mythic power on surges.
In fact if I include surges, and bonuses to my rolls as I can get, I crit succeed at everything at the cost of daily resources. I could also spend some of my gold giving me items to boost rolls that might need it.
Circlet of Persuasion for UMD and Diplo, +3
Custom Skill Bonus item for craft skills: Bonus squared x 100 gp. A +5 Item would be 2500gp.
For the cost of the circlet I could get a +5 to diplo, and a +5 to UMD.
These are all competence bonuses so do not stack.
If I spend the remaining 4 hours after crafting for Azrael to get some competence boost items, I will be able to pass almost all checks, even on a 1. The UMD checks to finish the item are possibly my most difficult with only a +14 bonus, and dc =15+Item CL. I can get that to +19 though.
Important Question for Raltus how do you rule the spell Crafter's Fortune as effecting something like the umd check while finishing the item?
TLDR: Currently I do not have enough bonuses to be certain of not failing. But I can get a lot.
If I had the +5 Items, and burned my spells to boost checks, I could crit succeed at everything.
That would mean:
Cost = -5-25-10-5-10-5-10-5-5-0-5-5-10=90% Discount. But I can't drop it below 25%. So 25%.
That would cost me (assuming 50% cost on my competence items of which I need 4) 5000GP, plus a Use-activated or continuous crafter's fortune item (Spell level x caster level x 2,000 gp) = 2000GP (If a continuous item has an effect based on a spell with a duration measured in rounds, multiply the cost by 4. If the duration of the spell is 1 minute/level, multiply the cost by 2, and if the duration is 10 minutes/level, multiply the cost by 1.5. If the spell has a 24-hour duration or greater, divide the cost in half.) =1000GP
So 6000GP to get my crafting up to scratch.
Once Raltus answers the question in my previous post on Crafter's fortune I will start crafting my items.
If I put them all on the same item and make it slotless:
2500Gp market cost for each competence bonus.
1000Gp for the continuous crafters fortune
So it would be 2*2500 + 2*2500*0.75 +2*2500*0.5 +2*2500*0.5 +2*1000*0.5 = 14750
Cost to craft is then 7375. And this floats around me as an ioun stone. Or otherwise does not take up a slot.
Do you mean this spell? I would say as written it doesn't help you out at all, since you are not making craft rolls you are doing it all via spellcraft right?
In the case that you are using a craft skill then it will only affect YOUR NEXT as in only 1 then the spell expires as per the wording in the spell.
Azrael belt intelligence.
Link to the page
Belt Cost is 2400 so +1 to ego
Int 10
Wis 10
Cha 10
Can See/Hear within 30’
Speaks Common
Thats cool.
I interpret it as only effecting skill checks like craft (weapons).
I have seen some GM's say it effects all skill checks made while crafting.
If I make a use activated, continuous crafter's fortune item, every time it expires due to use it is effectively re-cast.
That's fine. I will just need to possibly cast some other spells to help with the diplo and UMD. Or just make a bigger and better competence bonus on those skills.
You could probably make a x/day use item like a rod that allows you to use it 3 times a day
Are you saying I can't make a continuous version because the spell expires when you get the benefit?
If that is what you are saying I can understand that.
Otherwise I am confused as to why you are suggesting a version with charges over a version that is continuous.
If it is for balance reason I could understand that too.
I would say if it is continous then it has to be attuned to only 1 craft skill.
If you make an X/Use per day you can use it on any.
To me that makes the most sense and balances it
That's perfect. I will do a 5 charges per day then, if that's fine by you?
Sure, what are you thinking pricing wise?
The standard is just over 5k, makes sense since you are "extending" a skill?
If I put them all on the same item and make it slotless:
2500Gp market cost for each competence bonus.
1000Gp for the continuous crafters fortuneSo it would be 2*2500 + 2*2500*0.75 +2*2500*0.5 +2*2500*0.5 +2*1000*0.5 = 14750
Cost to craft is then 7375. And this floats around me as an ioun stone. Or otherwise does not take up a slot.
Pricing as per the table slightly below here.
Skill bonus (competence) Bonus squared x 100 gp Cloak of elvenkind
That is the cost for each of the +5 competence bonuses I want to build.
+5 to diplo, +5 umd are the important ones for now.
The cost for each is 5^2 = 25 *100 = 2500
For the crafters fortune bit:
Use-activated or continuous Spell level x caster level x 2,000 gp2 Lantern of revealing
It is a level 1 spell, with caster level 1, so base of 2000GP.
Charges per day Divide by (5 divided by charges per day)
2000 / (5/5) = 2000GP
If a continuous item has an effect based on a spell with a duration measured in rounds, multiply the cost by 4. If the duration of the spell is 1 minute/level, multiply the cost by 2, and if the duration is 10 minutes/level, multiply the cost by 1.5. If the spell has a 24-hour duration or greater, divide the cost in half.
The duration is 24 hours. Therefore we divide that by 2.
1000GP. I can see the argument that it doesn't really have a duration as the spell only really does anything on a single check. So it would stay 2000GP.
Multiple Similar Abilities: For items with multiple similar abilities that don’t take up space on a character’s body, use the following formula: Calculate the price of the single most costly ability, then add 75% of the value of the next most costly ability, plus 1/2 the value of any other abilities.
An item that does not take up one of the spaces on a body costs double.
2*2500 + 2*2500*0.75 + 2*2000*0.5 = 10750 or 9750 depending on if the cost is halved for the duration of the spell.
That is for a slotless item with all of the abilities to help me while I craft.
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If we think that the use activated item (2000) for crafter's fortune is too cheap, I can make a wand for 750 instead.
I think it might be too cheap. A circlet of persuasion gives a +3 competence bonus on all charisma checks and costs 4500. Now that does have some major impact.
All crafters fortune does is boost craft. All craft does is let me craft. So it is worth less than a bonus on ALL charisma based checks. But I think it might be worth more than 2000GP.
I can only use each daily use to effect 1 craft check, so each charge is effectively a single +5 bonus to a single skill for a single use.
This is very close in what it does to the +5 competence bonus from a basic item.
That is costed at 2500GP. So maybe, due to the extra versatility of having it be able to effect multiple checks, but also with the restriction of it being 1 check per charge, we cost it at 3000GP?
Your reasoning is sound, I was just comparing it to a rod since that is what I could see it being crafted into.
3000gp is good for me, since as you say it is only good for 1 thing as the spell is so limited to what it can do and it is non combat
Coolio.
I will set about crafting that in bits and pieces in a short while.
I think I will start with the UMD check bonus, then the diplo bonus, and end with the craft bonus.
Daylight counters deeper darkness.
I checked the spoiler.
That's why I hinted at the active daylight spell.
only if the spell level is higher
Daylight counters or dispels any darkness spell of equal or lower level, such as darkness.
that is why I asked, Lynns spell level is 3, the casters level is much higher than that
Does it have it as an SLA? Because it goes of of spell level, not caster level.
It was not cast by the present creature, the one in the room can do it yes but right now the spell in the room is much higher in level
I am curious as to how long ago it was cast?
Just before the Mass Horde of Demons left, about a week.
Just as a FYI not every spell or interaction I am doing is to screw people over. This spell was made permanent despite not being on the official lists, at the bottom it says that the GM can add other spells. This is one that was in the book
Thats cool. I just like knowing what is going on from a meta perspective.
You could always burn to get Greater Dispel Magic, then do the Area :)
I could do that.
Is that the perception you want us to beat with stealth?
Is that to pinpoint or to know we are in the room?
Lynn is currently at a +40 to know her location
I am +60
To know we are in the room it is +20 and +40 respectively.
That is his perception once seeing the rift open and yes he can see in this darkness.
why +40 from not moving and inside the sphere?
I wonder, what the summons say to deeper darkness :P
Wouldn't be the first time an AP screwed things up.
Someone else joining the search?
From Invisibility the spell
"Of course, the subject is not magically silenced, and certain other conditions can render the recipient detectable (such as swimming in water or stepping in a puddle). If a check is required, a stationary invisible creature has a +40 bonus on its Stealth checks. This bonus is reduced to +20 if the creature is moving."
From the invisibility special ability
"It’s practically impossible (+20 DC) to pinpoint an invisible creature’s location with a Perception check."
So +20 to pinpoint, +20 for moving while invisible.
There is a table here under the invisibility section that stipulates some of the dc modifiers that apply to pinpointing an invisible creature.
Base DC to pinpoint is +20, if using stealth is +20 + stealth in addition, if stationary is another +20.