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Fair point on #1,1. Every scenario has a table for the gp value per treasure bundle by level in the back
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#1 is why fixing this wasn't at the top of the priority list.
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The current link to Character Options for PF2 that's on the Guidance page currently points to the old blog, and not the new Character Options page hosted on the site.
That is a known issue that is waiting on me or someone on my team* having time to go through and find every instance of that link and fix them all at once.
If anyone wants to compile a list of pages with anchor links for all the places where that link occurs, that will greatly speed up that process.
It is so nice not being the only one able to fix things anymore. You just have no idea...
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I do not see a breakdown of how much Reputation you need for each Tier.
I realize this can be found on archivesofnethys, but figured the chart should also at least be linked in the Guide.
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I do not see a breakdown of how much Reputation you need for each Tier.
I realize this can be found on archivesofnethys, but figured the chart should also at least be linked in the Guide.
PFS actually uses a different chart, not the one on Nethys: Table 6-2: Reputations
It's hard to find because it's hidden under the same structure issue that affects many parts of the guide, where something that looks like a list header is actually important rules information.
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Okay. Search should be more useful now. Apparently the word "Reputation" is a keyword in a backend component. Told the search engine to stop searching that component...
Reputation still turns up too many pages, still working on that. :)
And yes, adding the crosslink as well, but that will probably not show up until the next revision roleout. Also added tooltips to the table headers
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Every time I try to go to the main page after putting a shortcut link on my desktop, I get the "Page Not Found" page with the picture of the ogre sitting with a lap top. Any way to get a link to the proper main page that works?
What URL are you short cutting to?
https://www.organizedplayfoundation.org/Lorespire/pfs2guide should take you to the Guide's homepage. It sounds like your desktop link is not linking to lorespire.
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Not sure if this is the best place, but there is a problem with the Reputation system that I do not recall being reported. If you buy/apply either the Experience Adventurer or Veteran Explorer boon, the starting Reputation is not accounted for in the system. Since many of the boons are gated behind the PC's reputation level, it can significantly delay when you gain access to qualifying boons. Other than reporting more reputation than what was actually awarded during the scenario, I don't see any other way, currently, to correct for it.
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There's a 'level 2/3 start adjustment' scenario you report against for that purpose. it still has some bugs -- its capped at 8 reputation per report. So you can report an 8/4 or 8/8/8 for the level 2/3 PtP boons, or you can wait until they get tech to lift the 8 reputation limit.... The 8 reputation limit also affects APs/Adventures that should award 12 Reputation.
Its been reported and I know Alex is tracking it.
This blog post from late Jan, lists a couple of the major AcP/Reputation bugs they're asking Tech to focus on:
Digitization Update which includes the 8 reputation limit per scenario (which should? fix the 2/3 start adjustment scenario to not need extra reports).
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Every time I try to go to the main page after putting a shortcut link on my desktop, I get the "Page Not Found" page with the picture of the ogre sitting with a lap top. Any way to get a link to the proper main page that works?What URL are you short cutting to?
https://www.organizedplayfoundation.org/Lorespire/pfs2guide should take you to the Guide's homepage. It sounds like your desktop link is not linking to lorespire.
This link does the same thing. Goes straight to "Page not Found" with options to go to the actual page when I click on it.
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This link does the same thing. Goes straight to "Page not Found" with options to go to the actual page when I click on it.Every time I try to go to the main page after putting a shortcut link on my desktop, I get the "Page Not Found" page with the picture of the ogre sitting with a lap top. Any way to get a link to the proper main page that works?What URL are you short cutting to?
https://www.organizedplayfoundation.org/Lorespire/pfs2guide should take you to the Guide's homepage. It sounds like your desktop link is not linking to lorespire.
Can anyone else replicate that? This is the first report I have had of this problem.
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If I get enough feedback on the table of contents asking for it I will probably just lock it back to the top of the page, It seemed convenient for jumping around large pages, but I can as easily add "Back to top" buttons at the bottom of sections if people would prefer.
That is a good middle ground.
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Has the Search function ever worked?
Last time I reported that I couldn't find something, it didn't occur to me that the entire feature was just offline.
For example, I just searched for "Vigilant Seal", "Consumable" and "Swords" while trying to link things to my Champion's character sheet.
All of those searches bring up multiple pages, but none of them contain what I was looking for, and in any case you are escorted to the top of the page, rather than directly to what I was hoping to find.
Also, when you hover your mouse over either "Search" or "Go", the popup blocks the entire input box.
Also also, one of the results for Swords was Marcos Farabellus, which I thought might be promising, but that link took me to an adminstrative login =/
Also also also, what is THIS? It looks like it should be Paizo's site, but it isn't.
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Also also also, what is THIS? It looks like it should be Paizo's site, but it isn't.
Broken link that didn't get caught.
Vigilant Seal brings up:
pfs2guide._.Retired Rewards
pfs2guide._.Reputation Boons
pfs2guide._.The World of Golarion
Consumable
pfs2guide._.Player Basics
pfs2guide._.Character Creation
pfs2guide._.Table Variation and Creative Solutions
Swords
pfs2guide._.The World of Golarion
pfs2guide._.Character Creation
pfs2guide._.Glossary
pfs2guide._.Player Basics
Marcos Farabellus
Those seem to all be relevant to the search term?
What were you trying to link to?
And yes, at this time the search takes you to the top of the page. (It is supposed to also highlight the search term, but that function doesn't seem to be working just yet. )
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Also also also, what is THIS? It looks like it should be Paizo's site, but it isn't.
Can you PM the page that had that link to either Eric or Me?
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Also also also, what is THIS? It looks like it should be Paizo's site, but it isn't.Can you PM the page that had that link to either Eric or Me?
It's one of those 3 results for "Vigilant Seal".
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Those seem to all be relevant to the search term?
None of them were.
I don't know if I'm the only person who does this, but I'm hyperlink happy, and I like to link directly to everything from feats to equipment to spells and anything related to my character so I can reference it quickly during a game.
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Those seem to all be relevant to the search term?None of them were.
I don't know if I'm the only person who does this, but I'm hyperlink happy, and I like to link directly to everything from feats to equipment to spells and anything related to my character so I can reference it quickly during a game.
Having seen one of his Roll20 characters, I can attest to the fact that Nefreet needs professional help for his hyperlink addiction.
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Those seem to all be relevant to the search term?None of them were.
I don't know if I'm the only person who does this, but I'm hyperlink happy, and I like to link directly to everything from feats to equipment to spells and anything related to my character so I can reference it quickly during a game.
What were you trying to link to? One of the subsections of the page? Or something that was on a different page (or site) entirely?
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I just searched for "Vigilant Seal", "Consumable" and "Swords" while trying to link things to my Champion's character sheet.I forgot to mention that one of those links also took me to your whitehatgamers site. I think it was one of the links related to Retired Rewards.
I'll check, we were using that for staging and development.
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Those seem to all be relevant to the search term?None of them were.
I don't know if I'm the only person who does this, but I'm hyperlink happy, and I like to link directly to everything from feats to equipment to spells and anything related to my character so I can reference it quickly during a game.
Having seen one of his Roll20 characters, I can attest to the fact that Nefreet needs professional help for his hyperlink addiction.
:)
Honestly, while there are diminishing returns, it's not a bad practice.
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I admit I scan rather than thoroughly read the sanctioning documents for modules, APs, etc., so I just noticed; since when are we pathfindersociety.club? I never heard of that reference before. Firefox returns a security warning so I don't know where it goes, but I assume it redirects to the org play website. Anyone else notice this?
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What's the ETA on the new Guide?
Today I once again GMed for new players who are frustrated about the disorganized layout. I am getting annoyed at having to apologize every week. I tried answering a quick question about what the restrictions were on Boons, and was completely unable to find anything (I still can't now). All I could remember was "No more than 1 Hireling", and since the game was low level, I left it at that, and told them hopefully in the next few months everything would be fixed.
But it's something I'm coming to dread every time I GM.
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I do not understand this question
" I tried answering a quick question about what the restrictions were on Boons, and was completely unable to find anything (I still can't now). All I could remember was "No more than 1 Hireling", and since the game was low level, I left it at that, and told them hopefully in the next few months everything would be fixed."
Boons
Boons are rewards that can be applied to a character. Common types of boons include Achievemnet Points (AcP), Chronicle, or Faction. Boons often have traits that describe how the boon applies. There are some boon traits that deserve specific mention:Advanced: A boon with the Advanced trait is typically more powerful than other boons. Characters may only benefit from one advanced boon during an adventure.
Ally: A boon with the Ally trait sometimes places a Pawn. This does not allow players to bypass the limits on the number of Pawns they can play.
Promotional: These boons reward players for promoting the society, or for exceptional contributions to the campaign. Characters may only benefit from one promotional boon during an adventure.Unless a boon states otherwise, you can only apply one of any given boon to a character.
That is the entirety of the limits on boons.
Some boons allow you to purchase themselves more than once, but (like feats that you can take more than once) any mechanics for that would be would be in the boon itself.
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You seem to think this information should have been somewhere else. Where would you expect to find it?
You keep saying the Guide is disorganized, but without explaining how you would organize it differently, it is really not possible to address this feedback.
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Searching for "Boons" brings up (in order)
pfs2guide._.Retired Rewards (Relevance: 5.071)
The following rewards are no longer available, but are preserved here for characters who earned them prior to their expiration.
pfs2guide._.Player Rewards (Relevance: 2.731)
Boons Boons are rewards that can be applied to a character.
pfs2guide._.Factions and Reputation (Relevance: 1.951)
All agents, provided they have been confirmed by having gone on at least 2 missions, are awarded a free wayfinder. In addition, any agent of the pathfinder society can purchase the following boons from the “boons” tab of My Organized Play
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The first page tells you in the snippet that it is about boons that no longer can be bought, the second page has the rules for how boons work, and contains the text quoted above. And the third page has the various factions boons.
What is the desired result that you would prefer?
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You seem to think this information should have been somewhere else. Where would you expect to find it?
"Player Rewards" is, admittedly, not somewhere I expected to find the information I was looking for. I was looking for something titled... "Boons".
And that is just one example. I play and GM multiple times a week, and the collective frustration from new players and old alike is that it's very hard to find the information you're looking for. The quote from a new player yesterday was, "Organized Play seems very disorganized". And I was forced to agree and apologize.
But that's the link to the old "organizedplayfoundation" site. I deleted those links. Isn't org-play-2e-guide the new site? The table of contents laid out on the left is an improvement over the older design, but it still feels "unfinished" to me.
Sidenote: you mean after all that drama about "no more than one Hireling boon" and "players who utilized more than one aren't allowed to rebuild", you ended up dropping the limit after all? Wait. Don't answer that. I'll just quietly dig my -2001 out of his early retirement and go back to playing him again.
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You keep saying the Guide is disorganized, but without explaining how you would organize it differently, it is really not possible to address this feedback.
I'm not Nefreet but I'll chime in anyway.
I want a single document (pdf preferred but not required) that I can search.
Having the information in several different documents makes it difficult to find things, regardless of how they are organized.
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You keep saying the Guide is disorganized, but without explaining how you would organize it differently, it is really not possible to address this feedback
We don't know how to cure cancer either but it doesn't mean we cannot be dissatisfied with the current condition. We can not like something without knowing exactly how to fix it. Just saying.
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You keep saying the Guide is disorganized, but without explaining how you would organize it differently, it is really not possible to address this feedbackWe don't know how to cure cancer either but it doesn't mean we cannot be dissatisfied with the current condition. We can not like something without knowing exactly how to fix it. Just saying.
The difference is that we do *ask questions* to try to fix cancer. People keep saying "the information is not where I expected to find it."
So the question is "where did you expect to find it?"
In the case of Boons, they are under Player Rewards. They are also mentioned in the first paragraph of Player Basics, with a link to the full section.
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You keep saying the Guide is disorganized, but without explaining how you would organize it differently, it is really not possible to address this feedback.
I'm not Nefreet but I'll chime in anyway.
I want a single document (pdf preferred but not required) that I can search.
Having the information in several different documents makes it difficult to find things, regardless of how they are organized.
I would be very much surprised if that is faster.
I am currently working on the Starfinder Org Play Guide. It is a single document.
It is 52 pages.
The word *boon* appears over 150 times, on 32 of those pages.
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But that's the link to the old "organizedplayfoundation" site. I deleted those links. Isn't org-play-2e-guide the new site? The table of contents laid out on the left is an improvement over the older design, but it still feels "unfinished" to me.
Wait, you are complaining, because you can't find information on the *fan made* port of the site, which offers you a PDF version of the entire document? Basically, exactly what you have been asking for the last year?
No.
That is not the new site. That is not a site that *anyone* on the guide team has *anything* to do with. It is a site created to mirror the guide for people who want the entire guide in a single document. I.E. exactly what you said would make searching it easier.
The current (and only official) guide is located at:
https://www.organizedplayfoundation.org/Lorespire/pfs2guide
Which is not in *any* way a criticism of Doug Hahn's site. It was a lot of work, and he was trying to meet a need that people were asking for. But if you have questions about it, you need to ask Doug Hahn not the guide team.
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But with that Guide, I know where to look. And not because I'm used to it, but because it's laid out like any other rules booklet for any other game system. And I can easily direct a new player where to look, too.
Table of contents => Chapter X on Page Y => see the breakdown of Boons by Tier => Ctrl+F to find "Scoured Flora" or just look alphabetically.
The SFS Guide, and the PFS1 Guide, are the product of over a decade of editing, fine-tuning, suggestions and feedback. Not to mention that they look "official". It probably actually *could* be improved online, with a clickable table of contents akin to the Guide link I shared earlier, and a functional Search engine, but the current version of the PFS Guide is nowhere near that Level.
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...which offers you a PDF version of the entire document? Basically, exactly what you have been asking for the last year?
It is a site created to mirror the guide for people who want the entire guide in a single document. I.E. exactly what you said would make searching it easier.
You must be confusing me with every other player.
I have never actually asked for a PDF of the PFS2 Guide.
Although I do recognize it would be useful.
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...which offers you a PDF version of the entire document? Basically, exactly what you have been asking for the last year?It is a site created to mirror the guide for people who want the entire guide in a single document. I.E. exactly what you said would make searching it easier.You must be confusing me with every other player.
I have never actually asked for a PDF of the PFS2 Guide.
Although I do recognize it would be useful.
You are asking for it all in a single document, correct? Also what would meet your definition for "functional search engine?"
How would that look different from what you have now.
For example, you look for topic X. Which pages should it turn up? Which pages does it turn up currently?
"It doesn't work" is not an actionable feedback.
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Jared, I think we all appreciate the hard work that you have put in to keeping the Guide available for all of us, just as we appreciate Dough Hahn's fan-made version. I think that many people (including myself) are hoping to someday have an official PDF version that has been put out by Paizo, but for now... I want to thank you for everything you have done to help us have a guide in the first place.
I would not mind having a section named 'boons' instead of one called Player Rewards, but I eventually found the boons under Player Rewards.
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You are asking for it all in a single document, correct?
Same basic answer as my last post.
Also what would meet your definition for "functional search engine?"
Anything better than THIS (which is the same problem I brought up a while back).
A functional search engine should show you relevant results. None of those three results have anything to do with Vigilant Seal. What search engine returns results with names like that? People who are going to be searching this document are comparing it to the search function of Paizo.com or Archivesofnethys.
It's in people's nature to compare what's available and comment on what's best, worst and needs improvement. Of those three search engines, this one needs the most improvement.