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I'll try to answer but the why (what you asked) and how to deal with it (what might be more useful).

Why:

Often its newer people to the community; they may still have some anxiety about attending a new event and just bail. And then feel too embarrassed to reach out.

People double book by accident and forget to deal with it; either because they don't realized there's a waiting list and its polite to cancel or because they forgot, or they just don't event think about it.

A real life emergency happens.

More for on-line games than in-person: people book the same scenario multiple times at different events/lodges, maybe trying to find a game that runs sooner, and forget to drop their original one/backup one they kept in case something fell through.

A person just forgets about it. Especially if they don't have a semi-regular schedule and only plays sporadically. There are times when you have to book so-far ahead, that if you only play once a month, they time between booking and playing can get quite long.

There's probably more reasons but those are the main ones I've seen.

How to deal with it?

1) If you have any form of broadcast announcements (emails, discord announcement channels, blogs, etc) that your community uses. Just include a reminder about the sign-up etiquette expected. Include this on a join event Warhorn signup page.

2) Try to reach out to last-minute no shows, avoid blaming, avoid too much criticizing, just remind them of the expectation. Let them know its costing other people the chance to play and/or possibly causes the table to fail to fire for everyone. If its online, and these are random drive-by (no-show) attendees, maybe reach out to some of the online VOs to document persistent issues who don't really have a home lodge to build cultural norms.

3) If you're having trouble with tables failing to fire as a result of no-shows, see if you can have any "standby" players. Either a perennial online person, or someone who lives close to the venue who can just come over last-minute to make sure the table fires, to avoid alienating the people who did show up.

The Cold Iron trait from Slag May can be extremely impactful at low levels, before cold-iron weapons are relatively cheap. Build a Slag May Monk, lean into ki-powers (or stances that don't require a specific strike), and just blender all the things if you in a fey or demon themed adventure. Sure 9th level Monk class feature will mostly obsolete it, but in the game I've been playing, its felt totally worth it.

I agree than for trivial/low I'd expect a single 10 minute exploration round, for healing, refocusing, looting, follow-up on investigating the location unless the party is on a known ticking clock, in which case they'd might push their luck. ( Or use consumables/ranked spells)

For a moderate than went a little against them. Three 10- minutes rounds usually can get a party ready to again,but might require spending some resources. Probably 20 minutes for a more average outcome

For anything harder than moderate, probably closer to an hour before the party will feel ready to move on

When trying to design encounters, keeping these time periods in mind can be useful for how to plan ticking clocks. Or planning how much other investigation/identification time makes sense to put in the after combat resolution portion. Give the non healers something to engage with in the room

The one comment I'd give on the OPs original estimate, is, in general, I expect the refocusing and the healing time tracks to run in parallel most of the the time.

In the vast majority of my games, the heavy in-combat focus-spells users have not been the healers (via medicine or focus point healing). So that would cut 1-3 10-minute rests out of your estimates for the different severity fights.

Congrats on the Order of the Wayfinder award, Lucas!

We've had this conversation before regarding fascinate and slapping people out of that. I felt those older threads were generally more OK with slapping people out of fascinate, then they are for slapping out of calm. Is there a difference beyond it seeming like fascinate is more often inflicted on PCs, while calm is more often used by PCs against the enemy?

The way I like to try to thread the needle on these types of party comp/optimization discussions, especially when pulling together a group of strangers is to ask the following two situations:

1) Describe to me how your party could set up your perfect turn for you

2) Describe to me how you can setup your party members for a perfect turn, if your go-to isn't viable in an encounter.

I've been finding that this framing avoids pre-supposing any particular roles/classes, but does highlight the importance of teamwork and of the give-and-take. It also highlights the need to be flexible and not locked in to only one strategy.

I think there was also one tied to Freedom for Wishes? or one of that arc.

Yes its a _good_ thing that the developers of the Foundry modules have a channel to get corrections in a timely manner, as forced by the release schedule. All too often these types of questions just kinda pile up in the GM thread and only sometimes get Paizo developer attention.

Yes, its also bad that they are either not always posted, or not posted in a manner that's consistent with the Guide on what posts can be viewed as official. This means that Foundry-produced scenarios are different from pdf-based scenarios, which isn't a good state.

It feels like all this takes is some process tweak -- whenever Paizo is responding to the foundry dev's with these clarification to cut & paste the Q&A portion of the email into a specific thread -- ie make it easy just have a "Season 5 Correction Thread" not tied to each particular scenario. If keeping it Paizo side is unworkable from some reason, then add one of the Foundry dev's to the list of approved people to post corrections, and probably require an alt "Official Foundry Scenario Correction' voice (like the Guide Voice) for them to post as.

The closest thing to auto-miss is the guidance from the gliminals:

Violent Healing:
"There aren't default rules for a creature choosing to be hit (to avoid exploding from a gliminal's healing), but you can allow an ally to improve their outcome by one degree of success against a willing target or allow the target to worsen the result of their saving throw by one step"

So the rough guidance is to still require a roll, but allow the character to worsen the result one step (either on a to-hit, or for a save)

For instance there's an AP that gives you 10 1-hour chunks to research. That's 40 rolls. With a tiny bit of lore added in small chunks. The first complication comes at around 20-24 successes, I don't recall exactly. That's too many rolls without anything of interest happening. I feel you need "something" interesting happens on average every two rounds -- whether that's a complication (fight/hazard), or a new discovery that unlocks different skills, or possibly a higher pay-off/risk-reward investment, etc.

For a campaign long research project, I think you can have a succession of libraries, with increasing DCs as you find the more obscure/yet relevant ones. If you're tracking RP points globally, some of the higher tier libraries probably should give a bonus if you're below some total to help catch up.

One of my campaigns (an AP, but I won't name which one) had the party bring the "Bloody Angel Sack" with them from book 2 to book 6, and it kept getting referenced.

I think the issue of a discount on various digital products, with proof of purchase of a physical product, is something that is always much harder to actually implement that people think.

its either
a) higher exploitable
1) ... via a shared code (which would get published immediately)
2) ... or one-time use codes that have to be inserted in every book at extra processing cost, and requires shrink wrap -- and still exploitable via physical returns after using the code.

b) or only works for physical purchases made on Paizo.com (which is probably a non-starter for keeping LFGS happy), and causes ill-will for people who bought their books elsewhere before learning about this option

c) some "register" your product feature, that's cumbersome for the customer, required more technical implementation, and still vulnerable to the same exploits as a2.

I don't believe the boss gets to actually cast the spell; the spell is simply expended to empower their strikes. But the ability is written very oddly. A once a round quickened spell would be way out of scale for balance.

Only thing I can think of regarding infinite breath weapons

If your players have existing PFS2 characters and want to play those characters, yes, sticking to Scenarios, Quests, and Bounties would make the most sense.

Adventure Mode for sanctioned content (see: Additional Adventures -- Modes of Play) is designed for letting a group play through an AP with a separate set of characters, that can break normal PFS2 rules, while rewarding GM/player chronicles to be applied to normal PFS2 characters. Often allowing access to more limited archetypes/etc to flow into PFS in small quantities.

Sometimes people will make a "clone" of their PFS character to play in the AP, this clone will progress through the levels more quickly than the character receiving the chronicle (10 levels in the AP, versus 3 levels of chronicles). But there is no requirement to have the AP character be tied to the chronicle character. just that some people want to, or use the AP to test drive the character's build at higher levels.

When playing sanctioned adventures/adventure paths like AV, the character playing the adventure is NOT the character receiving credit. The character playing the adventure gains XP at the usual rate (commonly using the built in milestones to the AP), and then after every chunk you award a chronicle that gets applied to a normal society character (who didn't play the adventure).

There's 13 numbered rooms:

Nothing: 7 (Brief description, at most one roll involved)
Brief Role Play/Interaction: 3 (interacting with students, multiple rolls) (+1 from event)
Combat: 3 (+1 from event), many have non-combat quicker/resolutions.

Plus Final Location/combat

PCs are expected to get through all of it. I see most groups doing it in under 4 hours. This does require at least trying to some level of disabling/diplomacy rather than brute forcing everything.

I don't consider it a badly written scenario. It can be a bit more non-linear than some, as most of the investigation is open ended and the party can go on in different directions, along with a bit of different escalations/interactions based on how people resolve things. It also requires a bit more time management, since as you mention the number of quirky rooms can consume a lot of time. Ideally you know how much time to allow, since it can be some of the best role play moments.

However it sounds like the GM was either trying to run in cold (which could be difficult) or decided ahead of time that they didn't like it/want to understand it and just gave up.

I tend to agree that Champion + Bard are the current cornerstones of an optimized party. I'm hoping the final form of Guardian/Commander can help diversify that.

You typically want a damage focused specialist as the front-line companion of the champion -- but basically any martial/magus/warpriest/etc can probably slot in without too much difference. As stated upthread, you probably want them able to trip or grapple, but also able to be one of the main hammers for the party.

The fourth is probably going to be dictated a bit by the sub-class/build choices of the other three. What skills are you missing as a party? Is the Bard going to know Soothe or not; has someone gone battle medicine? A ranged martial, a divine/primal caster, an investigator/rogue all feel like they could be the fourth piece very easily.

To me that does sound like a completely bogus and careless ruling. Despite the chain of best-effort evidence you say the GM did, I have to think some details were left out along the way. There should be no gotchas, no "oops you had a permanent condition you didn't know about, sorry your character is dead".

Something doesn't add up.

No, the shield is not lowered after blocking -- unless the shield is broken/destroyed by the damage.

I think there was on iteration during the PF2 Playtest where the shield was lowered (or misinterpreted as lowered) back before launch that might be sticking in some people's minds.

Its a feature to hide events that you no longer plan to report new sessions to. Ie if you were hosting a convention, after all sessions have been reported, and a couple weeks have gone by for any quickly noticed errors, you can hide it so you don't get confused/report against it by accident for next year's version of the event.

Same if you have one event per venue you run at; or if you cycle event codes every year for larger lodges.

A lot of time if your running a single event "So and So's Home Games" you might never need to use that feature. Its purely a QoL feature for managing the default list of events you see.

On the Organized Play FAQ page, on the Achievement Points and Boons tab.

And similarly, if you're writing an adventure, campaign, etc try to avoid AoO/RS on enemies in your first couple of encounters.

After telling people it's not universal, so many intro type things put an AoO on an early opponent and make players think they can't trust that advice or that the GM was playing gotcha.

It keeps the manipulate trait. Nothing says it loses it.

Its part of the trade off for getting the increased damage -- either you already know the creature doesn't have reactive strike, or you've had someone else soak it for you, or you're risking it.

They don't easily show up in quick navigation in the store, but if you do a search for Foundry, you should end up with on option being the list of all Paizo's Foundry products.

If you already have the PDF, you sometimes want to click over to the "unavailable" tab, since you can get the [CODE only] version. Normal Paizo-store/inconsistent log-in state issues I think is why it forgets you qualify for the CODE version.

Once you purchase one there's typically three steps to using it:
1) go to your Digital Content page (under My Account, here on Paizo) and copy the key for the product you purchased.
2) go to your account on Foundryvtt under Purchased Content, activate that key.
3) if you're using the Forge for hosting, wait 10-15 minutes and it should show up in the bazaar to install. If you're hosting yourself, you can grab the manifest URL to use from the Package Link page for the module on Foundryvtt after activating the key.

Personally I'm most interested in them taking one of the "neutral"-ish deities out. But that starts out as considering it the "compromise" solution

killing an evil god is safe -- less impactful to as many player characters (probably), but more boring from an author/creative side in a lot of ways.

Flip those pros/cons around for the Good side of things.

Gorum, Gozreh, Irori, Nethys sit in the middle and probably impact fewer characters than the Good deities, but still more than the evil ones. I feel they've been a little less developed over the years, so there's not as much for fans to latch onto. Which feels like it could be a great opportunity to shake things up. Gorum, Gozreh, and Nethys in particular feel like their death could open up a vacuum/space for something interesting to explore/replace. Irori feels more insular, so less impactful. While I would have considered Pharasma in this clump, I always figured she'd be safe just due to her role in the cosmology.

Basically what I've learned from lots of PFS2 is that you need to be particularly careful when you have characters on opposite sides of the level 4 boundary -- but the same is true even in a non-mixed level party when you're designing fights. The jump from martials w/ and w/o striking runes is extremely noticeable. Monsters for above that tier have more HP as a result. So if the party is punching up, across that tier before they get their striking runes, the fights go longer than expected (and are already tough fights). if you have a mixed level party, the one-two combo of lower to hit, and 1/2 damage when you do hit, can be extremely disheartening. And the PFS level bump system doesn't help a lot -- but runic weapon can be a huge help -- especially if you're a 3rd/4th level caster whose 1st rank slots are less useful -- using that to help the lower level people catch up is extremely useful.

Most of the other damage increases (property runes, weapon specialization static boosts, bonus precision damage) phase in in ways that don't feel like an almost pure doubling and the jump in opponent HP feels more "diluted" as a result.

Off of HMM's list, I would be cautious with 1-11/1-12/1-13 if you know your group likes to go off on tangents with extra RP, those can go a bit longer with those types of tables.

Intro 1/Intro 2, along with all of the "Year of X" intros tend to be on the faster side as well.

The chime, the chime! All hail the chime!

I've noticed the rune problem in Kingmaker and QofFF. I haven't noticed it in AoA, EC, AV, SoT, or GW.

I have heard of cases of GMs not letting people take the runes off bosses/enemies if it wasn't explicitly listed in the treasure section of the encounter, I'm positive that's a GM just not understanding things. In those cases, yup you will be behind on runes. Often the bosses are the source of the "early" runes -- ie getting one a level early.

Tomppa wrote:

Unless I missed something, there's like 7 or 8 scenarios at 7-10, so you can hit level 11 with only a single character. There's just two scenarios at level 9-12, which means that it's not currently even possible to hit level 13+ by playing scenarios.

Seems unlikely that we'd get higher level scenarios when there aren't enough scenarios to hit those higher levels yet.

The first 9-12 was published after just two 7-10 scenarios (although a third 7-10 was published during the same year), but the first 7-10 scenario was published only after we already had seven 5-8 scenarios, so... Maybe we'll get a 11-14 after we get 0-5 more 9-12 scenarios?

Thank you for that information. What level can one get to with AP's or modules?

20 with AP/Adventure credits, since they aren't level locked. (6 AoA, 6 EC, 1 FoP, 1 Slither, 3 AV, 3 QofFF ....) But there's not much point from leveling using AP/Adventure credit to go past the level range that scenarios exist for.

In general, if the party has indicated a desire to keep people alive/save them, while combat is still ongoing, I will use death/dying rules. I won't spend too much time figuring out exactly how many rounds its been, and would just guesstimate a dying value for people. Ie, everything uses Death and Dying rules by default, but we can hand wave it most of the time and do so.

However, if they've indicated they want to take people alive (even if somewhat retroactively), I also expect them to at least start considering non-lethal options, or at least show they they acknowledge their actions are at odds with their intentions. I'd expect to see stabilize used, or other approaches once someone reaches dying rather than just hoping they stabilize on their own, or the combat ends in time to save them.

If they get in the habit of beating people to near-death (ie using lethal force), but then saving them while dying/taking them prisoner, that's the type of reputation that will get around. Brutal thugs, merciless bounty hunters, etc this might be what they want, this might not.

And if none of those work, you should be able to reach out to your region's VC for further help.

When using milestone leveling, it doesn't come up too often (outside of things like Abomination Vaults). But when using exp leveling, or in the rare milestone leveling situations, yes I'll level the characters when they've earned it, regardless of if its back in town/safe/overnight, etc.

My usual approach is to give them everything new while not affecting any spent resources. Ie they get their new HP, without healing any current damage, they get new spell slots (and can prepare into those slots only), etc. If a fighter has gotten to one of hte new daily flexible feats, they get that, etc. They don't get to refill used spell slots -- its not a full heal like in some video games.

Now there might be occasions, where I do just say its a full heal/free overnight rest/daily prep instead, but typically that would be something more tied to a deities blessing, artifact, or something like a 1e mythic ascension. This is most common in a scripted situation where the level-up is designed to happen after the penultimate encounter for a major arc for instance and you want the party going in at full strength to an extreme/sever encounter without a long delay in in-game time.

In my experience with 2e APs, 3-5 sessions per level. Where sessions are generally in the 3.5-4.5 hour range has been consistent with multiple GMs/groups across 5 APs, also matchers experience with stand alone adventures.

Heavily RP focused groups will be a the slower end of that estimate, heavily min/max combated focus groups at the shorter end.

None of the problematic ones came from that thread, or I would have commented when it came up.

You don't need to split a split level chronicle into multiples sheets. Just annotate something like
10 TB at Level 2, 20 TB at Level 3 = XXX in the notes section
8 days downtime at level 2, 16 days downtime at level 3, etc

You can't split reputation on an AP chronicle in the first place so that's not an issue.

Your choice on ordering in some cases doesn't make a lot of sense -- the Genie arc for instance has the highest level one last (which I understand why you do it), but it introduces characters and boons that are used in the lower level ones. There's narrative issues with your Arcadia list as well.

Publication order probably trumps level, outside of particular circumstances -- ie publication order should be first, and require a note explaining why you've changed it.

The more distinguishable something is, and the more recent in time, the more likely I am, as the GM to say something like "you see <bleh> you've fought them before and remember x,y,z" -- especially if it was a memorable fight for whatever reason. Or if you're traversing a complex and many rooms, have the same looking creatures, I won't require new rolls each time. (I'll allow new rolls for classes that want them though)

The Skeleton versus Druagr versus Bone Golem, etc, can be a good example of why a check is needed every time, just to tell which of a very similar appearance creature you're dealing with.

In pre-remaster I'm pretty sure it was possible. Haven't looked deep into the remaster rules yet to know if that changed.

But given than the +1 run is about half the price of the striking rune, it tends to never come up.

For a single anecdote about an encounter using this more lethal interpretation of the rules:

Last night we had an encounter, that knocked my character to dying 2 in the first round. The party healed me, I retrieved my weapon, stood up, and stepped away. (Under the old rules I probably would have struck). I had a reach weapon so with the step I could still attack next round, while forcing the opponent to spend an action to come to me (or more, likely, attack my closer allies since it appeared to be mindless.

Next round it put a lot of damage on an ally, but didn't drop anyone and we got some healing out. I missed with a spellstrike, used a hero point (had one remaining after this), still missed.

Next round it dropped our second frontliner (only dying 1).

Our primary healer was now out of spells, our secondary in-combat healer was down. We knew were in trouble. We also knew the enemy was getting low and had a weakness I could trigger.

Next round, I tried another spellstrike, missed, committed to winning the fight or dying, used my last hero point (lower). Second front-liner made the recovery check, so safe, but unconscious. Boss knocked out a third character.

We tried kiting the boss, stole two of its actions for one of ours each, but it still crit me, so dying 3. At which point the bard managed to finish it off. But we have no stabilize, no healing, no consumables (miscommunication about what we could purchase in the first place/lack of loot), no one up who was trained in medicine.

So we had one dying 3, one dying 1, and one unconscious. The dying 1 stabilized on her own. I passed my first recovery roll (dying 2), before we had any ability to help. By the next round we were debating having the bard try to administer first aid, untrained (spent the previous round getting the healer's tools off one of the downed combatants). (So my DC 12 flat check, versus her DC 17 @ +2, IIRC) We decided on my flat check. I made it -- dying 1. Next round same idea, but I failed --- Dying 3. Next round we decided to risk her DC 18 check. Since I would need three passes in a row and if either of the first two failed it was death. Felt roughly equal odds and wouldn't drag things out. She succeeded.

It definitely felt higher stakes. It still felt fair (and I'm someone who didn't like the new interpretation ahead of time). it highlights some lack of healing redundancy in the party, which I think was the greater problem than this version of the rules.

Historically, PFS1->PFS2 did not unlock any additional options in PFS1. T

Races were more locked down in PFS1 -- mostly only available via GM boons or convention rewards. ACP was an designed to help make ancestries a bit more available for people who couldn't attend conventions as a reaction to that system.

We've only had one edition change in Paizo's organized play campaign to compare to, so its hard to make any concrete predictions.

But for PFS1 - PFS2 ->
-- no new scenarios, with a deadlier final multi-table special to encourage heroic send-offs.
-- PFS1 older scenarios can still be run/reported
-- conventions can still get PFS1 boons (since PFS1 never had ACP and it wasn't retrofitted to it)
-- Some minor unlockable backgrounds for use in PFS2 based on playing enough scenarios for different PFS1 seasons.
-- A number of season 10 scenarios had hinted at hooks/ (legacy) boons that might have some effect in PFS2. Not all of these have been followed-up on, or had as much impact as people maybe expected though.
-- The Season 10 PFS1 guide was the final version, not updated going forward.

If we had 3-4 edition changes it would be easier to see what patterns have emerged, but with only one edition change, we can't really tell. There's also been a fair bit of staff turnover at Organized Play at Paizo so there may be a lot of new/different opinions on what they want to try when its time for SFS2.

That already exists on the Boons page, with all the normal ACP boons:

"Pathfinder Society (second edition) Replay Gain 1 replay, usable on any Pathfinder Society (second edition) scenario by any character.
40.00
Achievement Points - PFS(2ed)"

Where can the curated list for the avid collectors be found ?

Q

In the Pathfinder Society FAQ. I linked to the CRB list, but there are other expandable sections there for other books.

...
Obviously my case is different than what some other boons may be, but the boon is "Deviant Awakening". There's not really any reason my guy couldn't have had an awakening of strange powers at level 4 rather than having them from the start.

While thematically that can make sense, I suspect they'll continue the trend of practically all charity boons being Background based, in order to avoid having to deal with forecasting if any two arbitrary different charity boons break the game if stacked. As long as the unlock is tied to the singular background of the character, they don't need to worry about that.

I believe immediately, means upon street date of the books dropping, not today.

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