Any help with this feat chain would be much appreciate. :)
It says that you can make an attack of opportunity while using this style. I'm taking that as you're using up an attack of opportunity when you attack vs only being able to use this style when someone provokes an AO.
Correct? If not then this feat chain is very lackluster.
If yes, what happens when someone actually provokes an AO?
Also, it should be able to be used multiple times per round regardless if I'm correct on the above not not. Yes?
Don't think there is anything confusing here.
Okay I'm almost positive that this only applies when the target provokes an AO. Yes/no?
Thanks. :)
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it seem like it give you a special way to use an aoo that some1 provokes. not giving you an extra aoo or something. normaly an aoo can be an attack you can make, without this feat you can't b@&!@-slap someone into a staggared condition if he provoke an aoo.
you should have enough aoo as is since combet refexs is a requirment.
as for lacklust, some builds are set on getting aoo, and having a staggared enemy is allways good (especialy if your a monk who has medusas wrath feat).
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As far as a I can tell it just let you make a "humiliating swat" as an AoO instead of just a normal unarmed strike as an Attack of Opportunity.
The effect of the humiliating swat being dealing non-lethal damage and potentially causing staggered.
By itself it's not great, but if you have additional ways of generating AoO you could potentially CC an single target into only having a move or standard, which is pretty devastating in a boss fight.
Thanks.
Seems pretty rare it would come up unless you're fighting dumb enemies or ones that are running away.
Seems like enlarge would make this feat chain much more useful as it would be hard to see many AO's per turn otherwise as this has to be used with unarmed strike not a reach weapon.
Sorta ninja'd by Claxon.
Okay it's as I feared. Thanks. :)
I'm not sure it's as clear as it seems at first. It doesn't give a specific trigger like "Bodyguard" or "Step Up and Strike", and it doesn't explicitly replace the normal AoO like "Stand Still".
I'm not sure you can use this at all honestly, you can't spend AoO's without a trigger or a feat that lets you use them in some new situation and this feat provides neither.
There are a number of threads on these forums about forcing opponents to provoke attacks of opportunity. Check those and see if you can make it work.
I'm not sure it's as clear as it seems at first. It doesn't give a specific trigger like "Bodyguard" or "Step Up and Strike", and it doesn't explicitly replace the normal AoO like "Stand Still".
I'm not sure you can use this at all honestly, you can't spend AoO's without a trigger or a feat that lets you use them in some new situation and this feat provides neither.
Unless you are deliberately trying to interpret in a way that makes it not work, it's pretty obvious it "triggers" when you could make an AoO with your unarmed strike as normal. The wording "you can make an attack of opportunity with an unarmed strike to deliver a humiliating swat to the target" just indicates you can't use it with with any other weapon.
The only ambiguity I see is whether this replaces the normal damage of the AoO, or whether it's an added effect. I assume the humiliating swat overwrites normal AoO damage and "you inflict 1 point of nonlethal damage" regardless of other modifiers but it doesn't explicitly say so. It could benefit from the word "instead" inserted somewhere.
You enter the style as a swift action as normal, and while in the style gain the ability, when you make an AoO with an unarmed strike, to either deal damage as normal or deliver a humiliating swat.
It's somewhat limited (particularly as the Charisma-based DC makes Scaled Fist a near-necessity for monks), but synergizes well with Medusa's Wrath. If you stagger them when they provoke during their turn, they're still staggered when your turn rolls around. Otherwise you can use flurry of blows and replace one of your attacks a trip attempt with Greater Trip and/or Vicious Stomp to make them provoke an AoO.
Seems like this style would pair nicely with Greater Trip and a Fortuitous Amulet of Mighty Fists.
Can that go on an amulet? It says can only go on melee weapons. Amulet can only do ones that can be applied to unarmed attacks.
*mind blown*
I've been allowing this for years because I never made that differentiation. I've always considered fists, knees, elbows, and kicks melee attacks.
Although, I've seen other people who talk about AoMF enchanted with Fortuitous and pairing it with Vicious Stomp/Greater Trip for lots of AoO goodness. So... who's correct?
stuff to make the enemy frightened or panicked & 10+ reach would not only get you that aoo when they bolt to run but also make it easier to catch up when they fail the slap's dc as they only get one action to run with.this can get into a lockdown combo.
(the feat for using two styles at once and the style that make enemies shaken when hit should work fine if you hit them 2+ times in your turn.)
don't think you can get vital strike on aoo. aoo is an 'attack' vital is an 'attack action' which is a sub type of standard action. difrent things. as you can't take standard action out of turn u cant vital stirke normaly out of turn.
look up the faq for more clerification.
The diabolic Judgement feat permits the use of vital strike feats with your first AoO in a round. This leads me more toward thinking that the 1 subdual is meant to be applied ontop of the normal AoO as vital strike wouldn't do much for an ability with no dice.
or that this style is built on utilizing aoo. so you need to pick if you gona slap them or do double weapon damage.
like snake style and the thing about not being able to use all it's abiities at once but deciding if to et higher defense or another aoo.
Seems poorly worded. :(
So if you can AO a Barbarian you can b&&*%slap them out of rage. Heheh. :)
The advance benefit of Way of the Patient Strikes, the Vital Punishment Vigilante talent, and Diabolic Judgment (does not require evil alignment).
With these 3 things you can get Vital Strike 4 times a round. And get Wis instead if Dex added to the # of AoO per round.
by my count you're only getting vital stike 3 times since the extra vital strikes only occur on an AoO which you can't normally apply vital strike to but, would this actually do anything?
The way the vital strike feats are worded they alter how your attack roll is made rather then adding or multiplying your damage. I don't think applying it multiple times accomplishes anything, any more then having an ability that changes your damage to fire and trying to apply it multiple times.
Roll the weapon's damage dice for the attack twice and add the results together before adding bonuses from Strength, weapon abilities (such as flaming), precision based damage, and other damage bonuses. These extra weapon damage dice are not multiplied on a critical hit, but are added to the total.
Even if this does work, how does the math work?
A warhammer does 1d8 dmgvital strike with it would be 2d8
vital strikex3 would be what?
A: 4d8 [WD+WD+WD+WD]
B: 6d8 [(WDx2)+(WDx2)+(WDx2)]
C: 8d8 [(((WDx2)x2)x2)]
D: 14d8 [(WDx2)+((WDx2)x2)+(((WDx2)x2)x2)]
Where WD = Weapon Damage
Though to be fair, doing the above combo you have imp. vital strike, so it would actually be imp. vital strikex3. I just did vital strikex3 to keep the math easier to follow.