Avengers Endgame official trailer

[CapeCodRPGer]

Here you go.

Looks good, I'm glad the trailer

Spoiler:

doesn't show anyone gone from the snap.

[Charles Scholz]

Huzzah!

Sorry TOZ, couldn't resist.

[Hama]

A good way to tell us nothing and yet hype us up. Trailer 2 is where all the meat is gonna be.

[KahnyaGnorc]

Really good trailer.

Spoiler:

Well, Shuri was on the display with Spidey and Lang, so she's likely dusted. Clint's family is also probably dusted, which Renner was able to display which just a look. Lang got out of the Quantum Realm without the Avengers' help. Did I miss him, or was Rocket missing from the trailer?

[TOZ]

Charles Scholz wrote:

Huzzah!

Sorry TOZ, couldn't resist.

GET HYPE

[Thomas Seitz]

I think someone needs to fix this title for the thread...Endgane?

Also I was expecting more time travel. But it's still a great trailer.

Also I appreciate that Thanos enjoys using his armor as a scarecrow.

[Bjørn Røyrvik]

Pretty meh, TBH. I can understand them wanting to not show much of anything at this date, but they showed so little that this alone wouldn't entice me to see the movie. In a way, they showed too much: I never cared for Hawkeye so seeing him is one big shrug of mild distaste. Then you have Scott, whom I find the second most annoying lead of a Marvel movie.

[Dragon78]

"Avengers: The Search For More Money":)

[Thomas Seitz]

Dragon,

That only happens when they cross over into Star Wars...

[CapeCodRPGer]

Thomas Seitz wrote:

I think someone needs to fix this title for the thread...Endgane?

I mistyped. My fault, love for a mod to fix it.

[Freehold DM]

Dragon78 wrote:

"Avengers: The Search For More Money":)

if they stopped making movies, you'd be pissed too.

[Thomas Seitz]

I'm just waiting to see if they get around to trying out Secret Invasion...or maybe Galactic Storm. I mean that would get the X-men involved right? The other option might be Maximum Security...though I might be the only one that liked that one...

[DeathQuaker]

Looks good. Actually it wasn't what I expected at all... it was much better. More... grounded. Hard to explain what I mean. Which we saw a flash of Captain Marvel, but it's too early for that.

Liked it focused mainly on Tony, Cap, and Black Widow.

I wonder...

Spoiler:

why Tony was all alone, and how he got into space to begin with? IIRC he was on Titan with Nebula. I was expecting they'd work together to reconnoiter with others who can help. While I can see both characters insisting on going their own way in many circumstances, desperate times... I get that that will be explained and all, but IDK I find that's where my brain is going.

[DeathQuaker]

Thoughts on my spoiler above, sort of...

DQ's wild speculation on a scene in the trailer:

Oooh, ooh, what if Carol rescues Tony as she's flying to Earth?

[Thomas Seitz]

DQ,

Distinct possibility with your speculation.

[Greylurker]

I just love than Ant-man brings the hope.
The whole thing is doom and gloom and then Ant-man shows up

[Vidmaster7]

Patton Oswalts idea for the crossover avengers movie spectacular is getting terribly close to fruition.

Also NASA save Tony!

[Trolling At The Movies]

I'm pretty sure NASA was absorbed by Stark Enterprises.

[Cole Deschain]

I've got a genre-bet that Scott Lang was SUPPOSED to go poof, but being in the Quantum Realm shielded him somehow, thereby making Thanos' fingersnap somehow incorrect and making a fix possible...

[Dragon78]

What exactly was Patton Oswalts idea?

[Freehold DM]

ANT MAN!

[Thomas Seitz]

Dragon,

That we get a cross over with all the Marvel Universe with the Star Wars universe. Which, in retrospect, would be better than Last Jedi..

[Vidmaster7]

Dragon78 wrote:

What exactly was Patton Oswalts idea?

Patton Oswalt filibuster .

[Hama]

Super Bowl TV spot

Not us

[Thomas Seitz]

No, definitely not the Avenger.

[MMCJawa]

KahnyaGnorc wrote:

Really good trailer.

** spoiler omitted **

Alternatively, said character is currently in hiding given that the likely new leader of Wakanda, as established in Black Panther, is not exactly her biggest fan.

[DeathQuaker]

...? If you're referring to Killmonger, he died. Then T'Challa reclaimed the throne.

As for the new trailer, looks like the Avengers are getting ready to Avenge some stuff. I was weirdly stoked to see Rocket in the lineup with the other survivors.

[thejeff]

DeathQuaker wrote:

...? If you're referring to Killmonger, he died. Then T'Challa reclaimed the throne.

As for the new trailer, looks like the Avengers are getting ready to Avenge some stuff. I was weirdly stoked to see Rocket in the lineup with the other survivors.

Looks like Cap has his real shield back too.

[KahnyaGnorc]

DeathQuaker wrote:

...? If you're referring to Killmonger, he died. Then T'Challa reclaimed the throne.

As for the new trailer, looks like the Avengers are getting ready to Avenge some stuff. I was weirdly stoked to see Rocket in the lineup with the other survivors.

I think he means M'Baku, aka Man-Ape

[DeathQuaker]

I'm not sure why Shuri would be in hiding from M'Baku.

[Rysky]

He called her a child when him and T'challa first dueled but other than that they seemed to get along just fine.

[Psiphyre]

Plus, he was willing to offer her & her mother asylum once Killmonger took over Wakanda, so...

Carry on.

--C.

[KahnyaGnorc]

I don't agree that she would be in hiding and the others not aware of her. They were fighting JUST outside the city and would have returned there right after the battle. It would likely be Okoye, who saw T'Challa get dusted, who would have told Shuri, had she survived. And Okoye would have likely returned to the city alongside the remaining Avengers. So, they would know.

[thejeff]

KahnyaGnorc wrote:

DeathQuaker wrote:

...? If you're referring to Killmonger, he died. Then T'Challa reclaimed the throne.

As for the new trailer, looks like the Avengers are getting ready to Avenge some stuff. I was weirdly stoked to see Rocket in the lineup with the other survivors.

I think he means M'Baku, aka Man-Ape

Have I forgotten something? (Or mixed in too much comics lore into my movieverse memories)

Why would M'Baku take over instead of Shuri?

[Thomas Seitz]

Right now I'm just wondering how stable the world is with about 2.5 billion left on it. (Assuming that the MCU has nearly the same statistical birth rates and such...)

[mildly annoyed Vidmaster7]

Thomas Seitz wrote:

Right now I'm just wondering how stable the world is with about 2.5 billion left on it. (Assuming that the MCU has nearly the same statistical birth rates and such...)

The lines for Disney land SOMEHOW are still too long....

[TriOmegaZero]

Naturally, they’re at half staff.

[Vidmaster7]

The thing I wondered is if he considered (or cared about) all the deaths that would be caused by half the people up and dusting. air plane pilots surgeons etc. My guess is no so probably quite a bit more then half the population died on earth alone.

[Set]

Vidmaster7 wrote:

The thing I wondered is if he considered (or cared about) all the deaths that would be caused by half the people up and dusting. air plane pilots surgeons etc. My guess is no so probably quite a bit more then half the population died on earth alone.

Yeah, the end of Avengers, with helicopters falling out of the sky and car crashes aplenty 'In case of snapture, this car will be unmanned...' made it clear that somewhat more than 50% of people would die in the mass dusting.

It's interesting to imagine how this is going to resolve. Will it be undone in such a way that the people of earth / the universe don't remember the months / years they spent after the Snap, mourning the lost? It's a pretty huge culture shift, and the comics didn't really have much 'time' to flesh out what a world post-snap would be like, months later.

[thejeff]

In reality the world gets really bad, really fast.

The economy collapses, since it's geared to make twice as much as is needed, but that's okay because business who've just lost half their critical staff can't actually fulfill contracts and orders anyway.

Everyone and I mean literally everyone on the planet is a state of shock and depressive grief, while trying to cope with everything breaking down around them.

I really don't know where the bottom is. There's no reference here. Nothing to compare it to.

[Black Dougal]

It would be financial chaos. How to get life insurance payments when you can't prove someone has died? They are just gone. Policies don't cover Thano's related incidents.

It would be a nightmare situation, and the sudden destablization would provide opportunities for wars etc.

It would be an interesting grim dark comic to explore, but personally would prefer Antman go back in time and stop it from happening.

[thejeff]

Black Dougal wrote:

It would be financial chaos. How to get life insurance payments when you can't prove someone has died? They are just gone. Policies don't cover Thano's related incidents.

And if they did, the insurance companies would go broke paying out. There isn't the money to cover half their policies all at once.

The financial system collapses

Everything ripples through everything else.

[Charles Scholz]

You are forgetting the power of the Gauntlet and what the Avengers could do.
1) Reset time so that Thanos was defeated before the Snap.
2) Restore everyone so that they reappear just after the Snap.
3) Restore everyone at whatever time they defeat Thanos, be it days or months later and make everyone forget the Snap.
4) Restore the universe so it forgets the Snap, thus no stock market crash, etc.

[DeathQuaker]

I think the question is what world are we going to see at the beginning of Endgame, regardless of how it ends up.

And indeed, the problem with the scenario if they solve the problem any other way other then pressing a massive reset button so the repercussions we see were never felt at all, the stakes of the worldbuild, the characterization, etc. lower considerably. It may be the only feasible way to carry on, but "press the Giant Red Reset Button" is a pretty cheap story in the end. But it almost has to be that (especially since Spider-Man Far from Home looks like little in the world has changed.)

Mind you, I'm intrigued to see where this all goes and I'm looking forward to the movie, but for me it is definitely about seeing the journey and not the destination, and I will be further irritated that the journey itself will be forgotten entirely by the characters by dint of it never having happened once the Reset Button is pressed.

Then, if I had, if not THE Gauntlet, the MCU control Gauntlet, I'd reset the MCU itself to never develop toward this particular plotline to begin with. ;) (Of course, if I had the MCU Control Gauntlet, it would just become an endless 24/7 series about Dottie Underwood, so it's probably best not to give me cosmic power, even if only over the MCU.)

[thejeff]

DeathQuaker wrote:

I think the question is what world are we going to see at the beginning of Endgame, regardless of how it ends up.

And indeed, the problem with the scenario if they solve the problem any other way other then pressing a massive reset button so the repercussions we see were never felt at all, the stakes of the worldbuild, the characterization, etc. lower considerably. It may be the only feasible way to carry on, but "press the Giant Red Reset Button" is a pretty cheap story in the end. But it almost has to be that (especially since Spider-Man Far from Home looks like little in the world has changed.)

Mind you, I'm intrigued to see where this all goes and I'm looking forward to the movie, but for me it is definitely about seeing the journey and not the destination, and I will be further irritated that the journey itself will be forgotten entirely by the characters by dint of it never having happened once the Reset Button is pressed.

Then, if I had, if not THE Gauntlet, the MCU control Gauntlet, I'd reset the MCU itself to never develop toward this particular plotline to begin with. ;) (Of course, if I had the MCU Control Gauntlet, it would just become an endless 24/7 series about Dottie Underwood, so it's probably best not to give me cosmic power, even if only over the MCU.)

I'd guess, based on past comics history, that the heroes will remember, but the world in general won't. At least those heroes who were part of/present for the pressing of the Reset Button.

Even the presentation at the beginning of Endgame, from the bits in the trailers looks like they're downplaying the consequences. You could devote an entire SF series to just exploring the consequences of the sudden death/disappearance of half the worlds population. They're not going to do much in the set up for a superhero action flick. And that's probably for the best. That's not their genre. Focus on the personal consequences for the main characters and get on with fixing it.

[DeathQuaker]

thejeff, you're just basically saying in different words most of why I'd rather not see them do this storyline at all. Because it's NOT their genre. There's other stories they'd tell better.

I will wait to be proven wrong--it's not like I ain't seeing this thing because I am SO there. :) But my interest again is more about the journey rather than the destination. The minute the Snap happened I knew it would have no lasting interesting repercussions, so it's more about how they get there.

As an aside, about 10 years ago there was a documentary series called "Life After People" which was a fascinating look at what would happen to the earth if ALL humanity (and only humanity) just disappeared at once. Not the same if only *half*, very different sort of scenario indeed. But still very interesting. I recommend it to interested folks if they can find it.

Sadly, the Earth would do well to have half of humanity, specifically, eradicated. We are vastly overpopulated and indeed a tremendous burden on resources. But not necessarily randomly, and not all life. And seeking out that result actively and instantly, would still be a pretty evil thing to do, for indeed all the other consequences it would have.

[thejeff]

It is their genre. Big cosmic adventures that somehow wind up with no lasting consequences to the world is pretty much the basic comic book trope.

Exploring what effects all that super hero craziness would have on the mundane world is not. I mean, you could do entire novels exploring the consequences of random super-hero gadgets - but they don't change the super heroes world away from ours. (See: Reed Richards is Useless)
The MCU is already a world that should be facing huge psychological consequences. It's seen a confirmed alien invasion, super powered beings, super tech, mythical gods. It's been run from behind the scenes by a Nazi terror organization - which seems to have led to no discernible differences from the real world - outside of the super-agent realm.

That doesn't mean the story itself can't be a cool super-hero story, it's just not one interesting in exploring realistic consequences.

[DeathQuaker]

thejeff wrote:

That's not their genre.

thejeff wrote:

It is their genre.

Okay then. I was actually trying to agree with you, or at least identify/relate to the bits you said that struck true to me, even if from a slightly different perspective, but if you want to have a disagreement with yourself, please allow me to get out of your way.

I think for my own sanity, I'll leave aside my narrative concerns for now and be over here looking forward to explody bits and Black Widow looking cranky and shooting things.

[thejeff]

Quoted out of context:

The storyline itself is their genre. Exploring what the realistic consequences of what happens in the storyline would be isn't their genre.

I'm not sure whether we agree or don't. I'm perfectly happy with seeing them do this kind of story. And it's certainly all about the journey - but then it almost always is in action-adventure stories. It's not like we actually think any of the big bads are really going to win, right? We know how the story plays out in broad strokes. It's how the hero saves the day that's the cool part.

And the explosions and cool character bits.

[Phillip Gastone]

Charles Scholz wrote:

You are forgetting the power of the Gauntlet and what the Avengers could do.

1) Reset time so that Thanos was defeated before the Snap.
2) Restore everyone so that they reappear just after the Snap.
3) Restore everyone at whatever time they defeat Thanos, be it days or months later and make everyone forget the Snap.
4) Restore the universe so it forgets the Snap, thus no stock market crash, etc.

Change it so Thanos gets the axe in the face or his arm chopped off. If they really want to adhere to the 'No killing' rule(Baddies die due to their own actions instead) an armless Thanos allows him to get away