|
To begin with, I feel it is important for me to state that I care none at all for any posts other than that of an official ruling. I am aware that there has already been a discussion and consensus on this question. However, in my searching, I did not find an official ruling. Therefore, that is the intention of this thread.
Does DR apply to falling damage?
Edit: If there is a better place for this question please guide me to there.
| 6 people marked this as a favorite. |
Learn to live with the fact that you're not going to get an official ruling.
And don't pester the Rules Question forum with demands for official answers from the devs; that's not what it's for. No, that's not because there's some better place, it's because they don't have time.
| 3 people marked this as a favorite. |
In my experience starting a thread with "I only want an answer from the devs" has a 0% success rate.
Why wouldn't DR protect? It's not a spell, not energy damage, nothing exotic.
Ice storm comes to mind.
| 2 people marked this as a favorite. |
Forgive us, oh master, and thank you for putting we lowly illiterates in our place.
Edit: so perhaps a bit heavy on the snark and venom, but the points being that folks come to this forum to discuss rules, no official clear answer is known, no dev is going to weigh in, and demands to not discuss the topic don't and shouldn' t work.
Which brings us to the odd concllusion that dropping a boulder on someone bypasses DR but chucking that same boulder with a catapault does not.
No dev is going to answer you. They are busy. Also, even if they had the time, your demand they and only they do so means they won't.
Everyone can read what you want. Everyone has told you it won't happen. So the only person lacking comprehension is you.
Not to mention PF1 is old news, and they are focused on PF2.
Perhaps you should try e-mailing customer service or pm'ing someone at Paizo. Starting a thread on an open forum invites responses from the masses. It's just the nature of a message board.
To the OP, I think the answer to your question is that no official ruling exist, and as such no link can be provided. Nor is it likely to get one.
With that out of the way, as a rules discussion, there is some ambiguity with regards to DR, and I can see it from both perspective. If you see DR as the physical equivalent to energy resistances then one could argue that it shouldn't require an attack. If I have fire/10 and I put my hand in a fire would it protect me, sure. So if I have DR and put my hand in a box with knives ... it doesn't because no attack was involved??? Does DR apply when you're damaged by a swarm?
Or you read the words in DR and that says attack, and you say it only works if your hit with a physical damage attack.
| 4 people marked this as a favorite. |
Ice storm, stone call, rolling boulder traps, and many more. Attack rolls and P/B/S damage types have no direct relationship--you can have attack rolls without P/B/S damage and P/B/S damage without attack rolls.
If you want to read it literally, the above three examples are neither weapons nor natural attacks, so damage reduction does not apply. This was patently absurd, and in the first two cases the design team apparently agreed as they issued a FAQ about it stating that P/B/S damage from magical attacks was subject to DR. The idea that it doesn't extend to such damage from nonmagical sources is equally absurd, so I strongly recommend interpreting it as such given that the design team is now too busy with New 'n' Pathy! to address this stuff.
That being said: Falling damage is not P/B/S--the damage dealt is untyped. There are rational arguments for having damage reduction apply or not apply to such damage. Either go with the community majority decision or use your own judgment.
|
| 2 people marked this as a favorite. |
So apparently because you're smacking it and not the other way around someone is unable to shrug off the damage? that doesn't make much sense to me.
You take physical, untyped damage from falling. If you have DR, which applies to physical damage, it should reduce the damage taken. Unless someone wants to claim falling damage is somehow not physical?
Specifically referencing the FAQ blaphers linked, and as it's been stated already, a spell like Ice Storm does not make an attack roll nor is it a weapon or natural attack. So despite the DR entry saying:
A creature with this special quality ignores damage from most weapons and natural attacks.
Based on the FAQ, the source of the physical damage clearly is intended to not be JUST from weapon attacks.
Maybe in Pathfinder, falling damage doesn't really exist. Instead, the ground just attacks you with it's natural attack that deals 1d6 per 10 feet you fell, to a maximum of 200 ft :)
| 4 people marked this as a favorite. |
Each piece of ground readies an action every turn to attack the first thing running into it.
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
Regeneration states that certain attack forms stop regeneration for a round.
So in the same way falling damage is not reduced by DR because it is not an attack, trolls can swim in lava all day long because swimming in lava is not an attack.
The planets (and thus the ground) are quite animated. They move through space; they move internally. They were created by high level casters (deities).
If we're going to go into that silliness, as a non-animated object, the ground gets no actions with which to ready an attack.
What happens if we give the ground the agile mythic template? Does it get an initiative, but only one turn every round?
| 3 people marked this as a favorite. |
Turns out the secret to flight really is throwing yourself at the ground and missing. Props, Adams!
| 2 people marked this as a favorite. |
Falling onto spikes specifically requires an attack roll, so is an attack, and deals damage as daggers in addition to the falling damage. The kinetic blast is a corner case, where we really do need an answer, it would probably be good to have an updated definition of damage reduction, perhaps that it affects piercing, slashing, or bludgeoning damage. The issue is that Energy Resistance tells you what it protects against, Damage Reduction tells you what it doesn't protect against.
On the PRD at least ( http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/coreRulebook/glossary.html#energy-resist ance ), Energy Resistance protects against energy damage suffered from an attack. So, you might be immune to being injured from a fireball, but not from a candle.
Oh, Pathfinder. (◞థ‿థ)ᴖ
Makes me wish the rulebook would define which attack you take less damage from. My characters tend to suffer through "an attack" nearly every round, but they're all different.
...What?
Provide examples of where DR is effective against rummaging through items, please. It specifically calls out that it's effective against attacks, so if it doesn't involve an attack roll, I wouldn't allow DR to count, unless you provide an examples. It's part of the description, so it is not a moot point.Well given that it works against traps, swarms and spells that can all do physical dmg with out making an attack roll, yes they do work against all physical damage.
DR CRB: The numerical part of a creature’s damage reduction (or DR) is the amount of damage the creature ignores from normal attacks.
DR Bestiary: A creature with this special quality ignores damage from most weapons and natural attacks.
Swarm Attack: creatures with the swarm subtype don’t make standard melee attacks. Instead, they deal automatic damage to any creature whose space they occupy at the end of their move, with no attack roll needed. Swarm attacks are not subject to a miss chance for concealment or cover. A swarm’s stat block has “swarm” in the Melee entries, with no attack bonus given.
The amount of damage a swarm deals is based on its Hit Dice, as shown on Table: Swarm Damage by Size.
A swarm’s attacks are nonmagical, unless the swarm’s description states otherwise. Damage reduction sufficient to reduce a swarm attack’s damage to 0, being incorporeal, or other Special Abilities usually give a creature immunity (or at least resistance) to damage from a swarm. Some swarms also have acid, blood drain, poison, or other special attacks in addition to normal damage.
Swarms do not threaten creatures, and do not make attacks of opportunity with their swarm attack. However, they distract foes whose squares they occupy, as described below.
Swarms do have an attack. They just don't have an attack roll. Thus DR works against swarms.
/cevah
so.. people talked about the ice storm rule in above posts, and i can't understand why that is not enough for the OP.
after all ice storm isn't an attack (no to hit roll) and the dr is specificly being used in the zombie example.
or is the offical paizo Faq not good enough?
That and falling doesn't deal typed damage....I'm fine with it if you have enough to really matter for falling damage more power to ya.
But what if you walked into an ongoing icestorm?
Edit: or for that matter, a naturally occurring hailstorm?
definition of a weapon :
weap·on
ˈwepən/Submit
noun
a thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage.
"nuclear weapons"
Some magic creatures have the supernatural ability to instantly heal damage from ***weapons*** or ignore blows altogether as though they were invulnerable.
The numerical part of a creature’s damage reduction (or DR) is the amount of damage the creature ignores from normal attacks. Usually, a certain type of ***weapon*** can overcome this reduction (see Overcoming DR). This information is separated from the damage reduction number by a slash. For example, DR 5/magic means that a creature takes 5 less points of damage from all weapons that are not magic. If a dash follows the slash, then the damage reduction is effective against any attack that does not ignore damage reduction.
Whenever damage reduction completely negates the damage from an attack, it also negates most special effects that accompany the attack, such as injury poison, a monk’s stunning, and injury-based disease.***Damage Reduction does not negate touch attacks, energy damage dealt along with an attack, or energy drains. Nor does it affect poisons or diseases delivered by inhalation, ingestion, or contact.***
Attacks that deal no damage because of the target’s damage reduction do not disrupt spells.
Spells, spell-like abilities, and energy attacks (even non-magical fire) ignore damage reduction.
Seems fairly clear to me. Weapon definition includes that of a trap, or even a possibly long fall, provided it was intended to harm. Furthermore, DR specifically calls out what it does NOT apply to. Falling damage is not listed.