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I'm glad I'm not the only one to remember that joke. April issues of Dragon Magazine were usually very funny.
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There's a manga series called Dungeon Meshi, it's about a group of DND adventurers in a super dungeon and they have to eat monsters to survive. It goes into great amount of detail about monster meal preparation.
Ninjad by QuidEst.
Hydra's are the snack that keeps on giving.
reminds me of when my players wanted to know if the troll they had polymorphed retained it's regeneration abilities. Because if it did they wanted to keep the goat/troll as an infinite food source....
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The players in my group often try and eat monsters/creatures they have killed. This is not an issue with things such as wild boars or even owlbears, but last session they ran out of rations in the wilderness and chopped up a basilisk they had just killed. Fresh basilisk blood has certain unique properties such as returning a creature from stone to flesh if applied soon after the basilisk's death. Would it be edible? They also have xill eggs? Are xill eggs edible? Or would they get diarrhea? I usually use common sense as a DM but the basilisk steaks got me thinking.
I've actually got a PFS character that specializes in this. Since he's a good guy, he tries not to eat sentient things. Because eating sentient things is generally considered wrong by society...unless it's a dragon I suppose..I dunno.
But any knucklehead can cut stuff up to eat, but a high Survival to be able to cut out and around the bad bits would be useful. Maybe a knowledge [whatever your trying to cut up] to know about said bad bits you probably shouldn't be eating?Just my random thoughts on this.
there is also this not to mention that their blood can be turned into poison that deals 1d4 con damage per aplicationthere is more then just one type of hydra, miasma hydra for example is poisonousYes, and IF we were talking about THAT specific one, you'd have a point. We weren't though. ONE type isn't "most if not all hydras".
That's like saying because the Plagued Beast template exists, no living creature is safe to eat because some might be diseased and point to the template.
So you have something that ISN'T poisonous but can be made so and a single other hydra... So I'm guessing you couldn't back up that "most if not all hydras"?
PS: The only poison I could find in a casual search for hydra was Miasma Hydra and "Hydras in Mythology", a section not reflective of the actual rules. There are some 3rd party things, but I know I'm not looking at/talking about those. You have anything FROM Paizo other than 2 variants?
Kill monsters and eat them. Isn't that the plot of an anime named Toriko.
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Otherwise, you could rule that they have to make a survival check DC 10 + the monster's CR.
This sounds like a good houserule, with a few modifications for creature type (eg animals should be easier, especially if not poisonous; aberrations are probably more difficult to cook). And I'd allow Profession(cook) as well - or a synergy bonus if you have both.
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Even among normal animals and plants there are surprising things that can injure/kill you. European explorers became extremely ill or died from consumption of polarbear liver.
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Some people like to go through pathfinder like a gourmet, which I find amusing, so generally everything living in my games will have a taste. I even encourage people to eat monsters lol...a tazylwyrm in my game tasted of eculyptus.
The undead are all going to taste bad because they're partially decomposed corpses, though. Fiendish creatures taste like sulfur and brimstone and are poisonous because of their origins.
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Lady-J: Why are you surprised that when you talk about an official pathfinder monster, that I expect that you're talking about the official info and not about 3rd party info? It's as pertinent as my saying all creatures are radioactive because my homebrew world it's postnuke pathfinder. I hope people try to post from a common base: the actual official rules for the game: house-rules and 3rd party should be clearly noted as such.
So next time try saying 'in 3rd party books...' and we wouldn't have a debate like this next time. I don't assume 3rd part/homebrew unless the thread is those sections.
Otherwise, you could rule that they have to make a survival check DC 10 + the monster's CR.This sounds like a good houserule, with a few modifications for creature type (eg animals should be easier, especially if not poisonous; aberrations are probably more difficult to cook). And I'd allow Profession(cook) as well - or a synergy bonus if you have both.
Hmmm... I think I'd go Profession(cook) as the main skill. Survival is for "hunting and foraging" and isn't focused on preparing the food. Maybe allow survival at a higher DC?
You can eat the venomous ones, but not the poisonous ones.
How to eat things and not die is a pretty integral skill for survival.
enjoying the experience on the other hand...
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How to eat things and not die is a pretty integral skill for survival.
enjoying the experience on the other hand...
The skill doesn't really cover that though. it allows you to find edible food, not make food edible...
Profession Butcher, cook, or shepherd lets you butcher an animal.
Profession cook let you detect poison in food
Profession brewer let you detect poison in beverage
Survival and Fisherman or trapper let you FIND food.
Lady-J: #1 It doesn't matter if there is NO common ground. I had NO reason to assume you were stepping outside of official rules. As such, house-rules, homebrew or 3rd party are all the same. Without you saying 'i'm talking about 3rd party', the assumption is that we're talking about actual official pathfinder. I'm also taking the OP as asking about actual pathfinder monsters as we aren't in the section about 3rd party.
#2 There is a section for advice in using 3rd party material. THERE it's assumed you are actually talking about 3rd party material.
3rd party advice & rules
Almost everything is edible. Most things are only edible once.
Undead can eat, so just because it kills you doesn't mean you can't eat it again. ;)
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The skill doesn't really cover that though. it allows you to find edible food, not make food edible...
So you starve to death because you found cattail but can't figure out how to boil it in water and stir it with a stick? You've caught fish but don't know how to gut them?
No. That is pedantic, ridiculous, absurd, and negates the players investment and makes the skill not do exactly what the skill says it does, let you survive and find food in the wild. If you can't eat it then it's not food. Your absurd levels of pedanticism is not the rules.
With a high enough Con, everything is likely edible... But that doesn't mean you might not end up regretting it upon the first time you stop and use an outhouse or can't get out of your full plate fast enough.
From a world standpoint, I think race would play into it. Full Orcs and Gnolls probably could manage just about anything, with little or no real cooking effort. Half Orcs and Kitsune might fair pretty well if its cooked enough to kill parasites and germs. Dwarfs might need to be careful, but likely not as much as Humans and Elves or any race with a Con penalty.
The skill doesn't really cover that though. it allows you to find edible food, not make food edible...
So you starve to death because you found cattail but can't figure out how to boil it in water and stir it with a stick? You've caught fish but don't know how to gut them?
No. That is pedantic, ridiculous, absurd, and negates the players investment and makes the skill not do exactly what the skill says it does, let you survive and find food in the wild. If you can't eat it then it's not food. Your absurd levels of pedanticism is not the rules.
You aren't reading me right. The survival skill finds things THAT ARE ALREADY EDIBLE. You can chew on a fish without gutting/cooking it or peeled a cattail and eat the heart raw. NONE of that requires processing the food found.
So you have survival, and you find already edible berries, nuts, small game ect. It might not be palatable but it's edible and you aren't going to starve.
That is different than having a naturally dangerous/inedible item and making it edible food.
So with survival, you might catch a trout and eat it. Profession cook would let you take a fish you'd normally throw back, like a puffer fish, and make it safe to eat. Different ways to get to the same place.
the terasque isn't edible, probably shouldn't eat fafnire either
#1 What makes a Tarrasque inedible? If you could remove a limb or chunk of flesh, I don't see why you couldn't eat it. Or, for example, if you had a bit powerful enough to damage one, I think you could eat what you bait out.
#2 don't know what fafnire are. Doesn't come up in a search, either pathfinder or a generic goggle one.
I don't know if it has been mentioned yet but planar creatures may not be edible. Drawing inspiration from the Mass Effect series, most species develop as a levo-amino acid based lifeform. But creatures form other planes may develop based on other amino acid configurations. If a creature were to eat something of a different configuration the "food" would at best pass through them with no nutritional value or at worse, cause severe allergic shock.
#2 don't know what fafnire are. Doesn't come up in a search, either pathfinder or a generic goggle one.
It is a 100 ton mech in Mechwarrior, though I think the spelling is different.
And I can't remember, but it was either a really big wolf/dog of Norse mythology or the name of Odin's six legged horse... or it was the name of the horse that Loki had after turning into a female horse and being raped by the six legged horse.
#2 don't know what fafnire are. Doesn't come up in a search, either pathfinder or a generic goggle one.
Fafnheir is a unique linnorm. Can be found on d20PFSRD under Father of All Linnorms. And I'm need seeing anything that would made him unedible. The death curse only affects the person who actually kills him, and you would need to be careful as he has a poison bite, but nothing that would rule out eating him.
the terasque isn't edible, probably shouldn't eat fafnire either
Crunchy ray reflecting outer shell with a soft gooey center
Isn't there a whole setting that revolves around eating the terrasque?
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This is why my human barbarian is boosting Profession: Cook with heart of the fields. See also
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And I can't remember, but it was either a really big wolf/dog of Norse mythology or the name of Odin's six legged horse... or it was the name of the horse that Loki had.
There's a few large wolves, but you're probably thinking of Fenrir. Both those horses are the same horse; Sleipnir.
Fafnir was a dwarf cursed to become a dragon, and was slain by his nephew Sigurd, who later cooked and ate his heart. Drinking Fafnir's blood granted the ability to speak with birds, including Odin's own ravens.
well fafnire is a linorm that comes back to life so you eat him you die as he bursts out from your body, and the terasque will regenerate inside your stomak so you will eventually have a terasque bursting out of youthe terasque isn't edible, probably shouldn't eat fafnire either#1 What makes a Tarrasque inedible? If you could remove a limb or chunk of flesh, I don't see why you couldn't eat it. Or, for example, if you had a bit powerful enough to damage one, I think you could eat what you bait out.
#2 don't know what fafnire are. Doesn't come up in a search, either pathfinder or a generic goggle one.
Ah... neither of those are true... You know that right? Or does cutting trolls create multiple infinite trolls in your world? All a troll has to do it cut his finger every round to create an endless army of trolls?
Secondly, Fafnheir shows up WHERE THE CURSED PERSON THAT KILLED HIM is, and only when they die. Nothing about that affects anyone else, so everyone else can have a feast... [and even the killer is fine if they make the save]
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And I can't remember, but it was either a really big wolf/dog of Norse mythology
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That would be Fenrir.
In Norse mythology, Fáfnir (Old Norse and Icelandic) or Frænir is a son of the dwarf king Hreidmar and brother of Regin, Ótr, Lyngheiðr and Lofnheiðr.[1] After being affected by the curse of Andvari's ring and gold, Fafnir became a dragon and was slain by Sigurd. (wiki)
or the name of Odin's six legged horse... or it was the name of the horse that Loki had after turning into a female horse and being raped by the six legged horse.
You know if you turn into a female horse in an effort to distract a male horse so that your Giant contractor doesn't deliver the pizza in 30 minutes or less so it's free i really don't think it's the horses fault...
regeneration states it regrows everything if you cut a leg off of something with regeneration it grows back that thing, the thing it lost also grows back what it lost
Regenerating creatures can regrow lost portions of their bodies and can reattach severed limbs or body parts if they are brought together within 1 hour of severing. Severed parts that are not reattached wither and die normally.
Lady-J/Renata Maclean: We're talking normal pathfinder using the actual rules. The rules don't allow for "cutting trolls up creates infinite trolls". From regeneration, bestiary: universal monster rules "Severed parts that are not reattached wither and die normally." Removed parts are DEAD unless you "reattach severed limbs or body parts" "within 1 hour of severing". So it's a total/complete houserule that regenerating monsters will claw out of your stomach...
EDIT: ninja'd by LeMoineNoir ;)
regeneration states it regrows everything if you cut a leg off of something with regeneration it grows back that thing, the thing it lost also grows back what it lost
That isn't how regeneration has worked for about 18 years now (since 3.0 D&D).
regeneration states it regrows everything if you cut a leg off of something with regeneration it grows back that thing, the thing it lost also grows back what it lostThat isn't how regeneration has worked for about 18 years now (since 3.0 D&D).
LOL That reminds me of a 3.0 game I played where we HAD to eat the trolls to kill them because the only acid/fire we had was in our bellies. Good times. :)
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If that's so then how often does bat guano explode? Spell components have a thematic link, not a magic one.
I don't know of any examples stemming from bat guano in particular, but I have heard of sewer explosions, although admittedly a lot of these probably stemmed from inclusion of industrial waste and/or volatile flammable liquids that leaked into the sewers.
Being eaten would deal acid damage
Trolls back on the menu
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Yet another reason Kobolds are the only race worth playing.
Kobolds are omnivorous, and because of their powerful jaws, sharp teeth, and tough gizzards, they eat anything they can chew. Furthermore, they have a slow, highly efficient metabolism. As such, they require relatively little food and water, a key factor of their remarkable work ethic-they aren't distracted by hunger or thirst and their ability to survive underground.
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Yes. All monsters are edible. Now, can I interest you in tonight's special, which is flambeed otyugh ribs, sprinkled with ghoul dust, and infused with banshee essence, with sauce made from animated cups, on a bed of stone golem gravel.