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Yeah. If dwilhelmi/Kyras gets back into the swing of it, we'll still have 12 players - though Dargaryen is sliding towards 'mayhem oblivion' too if he continues to not-post.


Male Half Elf Druid (Treesinger) 7 | HP:84/84 | AC: 17; T: 13; FF: 15 | Fort: +8; Ref: +4; Will: +10 (+4 vs Fey, +2 vs Enchant.) | Low-light Vision; Init: +2; Perception: +13 | Cohort: Tai Reen

RE: Druidic

Seems to me like a case-by-case basis is probably best, since unlike some class features, you don't just 'poof' and learn the language; someone needs to teach it to you and that's partially reflected in the increased 'training time' for the class.

In Lyda's case, I think it's probably in the range of neutral-to-acceptable, at least as far as Acaciano is concerned- particularly given her family situation.

If instead she was a total and complete lone wolf who grew up alone, and knew no one, I'd protest more, even if you got past the "where'd you learn this" part. But between her familial relationship (which itself could have led to further interactions with other Druids) and the facts that she a) does a lot of 'Druidic' jobs in her community/region, and b) has been gifted some level of magic by Nature, I think Acaciano is willing to look past it.

That said, he'll probably not use the language to talk to her (at least not right away), and he won't be teaching it to Tai, either.


Hunter 7 | HP 39/63 | AC 20, Touch 15, FF 16 | CMB +6 | CMD 20 | Fort +7, Ref +10, Will +6 | Init +4 | Senses: Darkvision, Perception +13 Defenses: 5/fire/cold/elec | Hunter Spells: 1st 5/5, 2nd 4/4, 3rd 1/2 | Cohort: Deneb Flynvias

I figure that's how things probably went down. In my story, she was well on her way to being one when things were cut short. And the order within Gronzi, while organized, is very slow. Years slow. By the time they heard about it and sent someone to investigate, Lyda had adapted and gone a little sideways. I imagine mostly over the druid restriction on metal. Its too useful in survival to give up. And by then she was mostly autonomous and doing the same duties her father performed, just differently. But Erastil saw fit to grant her some of his power so they left her to her own devices. Call her a druid consultant or contractor.


Oddly enough, I am reminded by this about something occurring in the near future - the oaths. Specifically on the intersection between the oathtaking, divine magic, and how to lose your magic - or, rephrased, how close a tie you have with the divine.

Particularly when it comes to the 'nature' sorts, i.e. druids, hunters, and rangers, one does not need to be empowered by a divine figure in order to receive magic; likewise oracles and shamans. Clerics, paladins, inquisitors, and warpriests are all generally infused with power straight from a specific deity; in some cases (c.f. hellknight) that particular channel's origin is a little obscure, but the situations in which it is broken are as generally clear as that of a paladin.

Therefore, with the specific exception of druids or unless your story is, like Lyda, that you are specifically called by one of the gods, if you're one of the former group you are going to have to swear the full oath without the 'reservation for your god' that the full-divines will be permitted.

If you're wondering exactly how this works, don't worry - I'll provide a general working here in a couple days; I'm putting it together now.


Tomáš Dušek wrote:
GM TWO wrote:

:: The Duel ::

As a point of fact, Tomáš will lose sight of Lazar shortly after he asks one of his swordbrethren (the student that Khavortorov is distracted by) after the location of the Lord Mayor; alas, the crowd is too thick to be able to follow him without being either eight or nine feet tall or in the upper gallery.
Is it possible to be in the upper gallery? If so, Tomas would try to get there and have an 'eagle sight' of the situation.

Just as a reminder, please don't do this; if you want to quote, move it over here, or enclose it in a spoiler tag.

To answer the question, however, no.


Damn, I actually thought I was posting here. Sorry, my fault.


Male Half Elf Druid (Treesinger) 7 | HP:84/84 | AC: 17; T: 13; FF: 15 | Fort: +8; Ref: +4; Will: +10 (+4 vs Fey, +2 vs Enchant.) | Low-light Vision; Init: +2; Perception: +13 | Cohort: Tai Reen

@Deneb

RE: Jem

I had a line a post or two ago describing her physical appearance, I'd assume that includes either her actual race, or enough context to figure it out.

RE: Honor Codes

Probably a lot of room for flexibility and interpretation for individual instances of rule-breaking. Thanks for the feedback.


Ah, you did.

I wasn't referring to individual instances. I meant in general, and to me, profiting from being wasteful and using undead both seem like greater offenses than teaching someone druidic. I mean if a weird instance pops up where you are forced to decide between teaching someone your language and letting some loggers start chopping down the forest or a necromancer raise the dead, which is really worst?


Sorry for the GM delay - RL mayhem. Will finally post tomorrow.


Male Human Inquisitor 7 | Per: +16 | Init: +8 | Cohort: Milo Orgulas

I think I'm going to go ahead and bow out of this game. I kept thinking I would try to get back into it, but things have been RL crazy lately and this many people in this big of a game overwhelm me every time I try. Sorry everyone! I don't like backing out of games, but I worry I'm only going to continue to be absent, and I don't really like that any better. Wish everyone the best of luck; I loved the concept of this game, but in practice it was just too much for me to keep up with.


Sucks to lose another player... oh well, this sort of game isn't conducive to everybody I suppose.


Male Human Paladin of Apsu 1 | HP: 12/12 | AC 18 TC 11 FF 17 | Fort: +4, Ref: +1, Will: +1 | Init +1| Per +3 SM -1 | 20 ft. speed | +5 CMB | CMD 16| Resist Fire 1 Smite Evil 1/1

Sorry to see you go Kyras. I kind of understand how you feel. I chaving trouble keeping track of everything going on, and I've been active all along.

GM, sorry to hear that.


Hunter 7 | HP 39/63 | AC 20, Touch 15, FF 16 | CMB +6 | CMD 20 | Fort +7, Ref +10, Will +6 | Init +4 | Senses: Darkvision, Perception +13 Defenses: 5/fire/cold/elec | Hunter Spells: 1st 5/5, 2nd 4/4, 3rd 1/2 | Cohort: Deneb Flynvias

At the end of the prologue can we have a one time opportunity to change some things on our character sheets. Nothing major like class, archetype or ability scores. Personally I just want to swap around some skill points and maybe change a feat.


There are significant changes coming, so yes, I'm good with that.

Incidentally, for those of you without archetypes, please do some archetype browsing, just so that you're familiar with what you think might be cool to have. An explanation will wait for the post-mayhem situation, but look at the low-end alterations for something you might like to have.

Lyda - there is food and small cups of various alcohols. There are chairs against the wall on the long sides of the room, fewer on the 'upper' one just because there are a lot of doors there. Basically, any chair is goign to be 15' away from the nearest door, serving table, OR the wall near the end of the dais. The tables that are there are serving tables for light snacks to tide people over until dinner.

:: The Duel ::
Ishana would be a square or two off to one of the sides of the dueling table - basically a few steps behind the judges, who will not be on the table when it comes to the actual duel, but will be on the lowest step, prepared to rush in if it's necessary.

William, two things - one, your opponent has not yet mounted the table, not having been summoned by the judges. Two, understand that your latest words are a very serious insult to the honor of your own second, your opponent, his second, and even your judges, worthy of a duel to the death with each or any of them, for so blatantly implying that they would either not keep to the terms of the duel, or that they would allow the terms of the duel to be violated. It displays a severe lack of trust in all involved.

Darivan, Kaellin, I'll let you react first, as compared to having the NPCs get the drop on you.


Read the standing by the stairs part of your post as going up the stairs for some reason, sorry we can just ignore that bit. However I don't see why insisting that the duel should be proven fair rather than just assumed fair would be insulting. I suppose it has something to do with me not being a fantasy noble haha... William will still say those words though, I don't think he see's it as insulting the judges either. definitely his opponent though.

Ack. what have I done.


Male Human Paladin of Apsu 1 | HP: 12/12 | AC 18 TC 11 FF 17 | Fort: +4, Ref: +1, Will: +1 | Init +1| Per +3 SM -1 | 20 ft. speed | +5 CMB | CMD 16| Resist Fire 1 Smite Evil 1/1

*Reads "get the drop on you"*
*Begins panicking*
So, my understanding is the current crisis is William's unintentional insult, yes? That's what my next gameplay post (hopefully up soon, but if not, don't worry about skipping me too much) will assume.

Regarding archetypes, I think I'm set. Given my current setup, it would be insanely hard to change anything about Darivan and Sylvia without massively altering some core of their character. That being said, I am still hoping to retrain Sylvia into an Air Elementalist come (her) level 8 or so.

Also, GM, might it be possible to research/gain a 0-level magus spell that does electricity damage? Perhaps a 1d3 touch attack? It would be really thematic (and would allow me to do cool things in RP like having electricity crackle along my arm). If I could get that, it would be something I would like to snag during the rework time.


In a matter of honor, one must presume all of those involved are men of honor - one's opponent, the seconds, and especially the judges. Blatantly requesting that someone (someone who isn't one of the two judges) 'make certain' is just as blatantly stating that you don't believe that your opponent, either second, or the judges are honorable and would follow the rules of the duel.

... on the other hand, Ishana's response might just do the trick in saving you a string of challenges. ;)


Female Half-Elf Arcanist (Brown Fur) 4 | HP 32/32 | AC13 T11 FF12 | CMD 16 | F+4 R+4 W+4 (+2 to all saving throws against enchantment) |Init +2 | Perc +2 | Senses: Low Light Vision |Spells 1st - 6/6 2nd - 2/3 | Arcane Reservoir 4/11

Darivan can you actually cast spells?
I was under the impression that this was heavily restricted.


Yeah didn't we have a bracelet or something that disallows spells?


Male Human Paladin of Apsu 1 | HP: 12/12 | AC 18 TC 11 FF 17 | Fort: +4, Ref: +1, Will: +1 | Init +1| Per +3 SM -1 | 20 ft. speed | +5 CMB | CMD 16| Resist Fire 1 Smite Evil 1/1

I think I can cast spells. Detect Magic is a purely V,S spell, so there aren't any mechanical barriers that prevent it. Socially, Darivan partially doesn't care, partially is trying to assure William that the duel will not be magically tampered with.

No, that was reserved for the Druid (Acaciano) who had an active and non-dismissable spell (Ward of the Season) active. I got away with just dismissing all my active spells.
In any case, I would assume that the Magethorn Manacle would have been removed at the same time I got my sword back. They wouldn't one of the moderators/judges impaired in their enforcement of the duel.

That's my understanding, at least. Correct me if I'm wrong, GM.


I am VERY sorry that I've been posting only once a bloody week. I blame Horizon: Zero Dawn and a bit of grit or a stye in/next to my tear duct that basically caused the eye to film up and made it almost impossible to look out of it, not to mention concentrate and think.

I vow to do better!! Especially wot with combat, here now.

Okay, anyhow - no, Acaciano is the only one with the magethorn manacles; it is physically possible to cast any spell you don't need components/items for. (Might not be adviseable while in the Great Hall, though; crossbow bolts are this year's 5th most serious complaint from adventuring mages, don't'cha know.) However, spellcasting outside the Great Hall, well - see the reaction on the gameplay thread.

Ishana, volunteering to be the healer for the duel, is within the bounds of her oath and role to cast healing magics, of course.

Link to dueling rules is now in the Informational header.


Male Half Elf Druid (Treesinger) 7 | HP:84/84 | AC: 17; T: 13; FF: 15 | Fort: +8; Ref: +4; Will: +10 (+4 vs Fey, +2 vs Enchant.) | Low-light Vision; Init: +2; Perception: +13 | Cohort: Tai Reen

Confirming that Jem from Voice of Trees is a halfling. There's a link to her with a very brief description on my page.

Good luck with the eye!


Is this duel rule in action?

Duel rules wrote:
Alternatively, some duels start off with each side facing off, waiting for the other to flinch or break resolve. In such cases, substitute a Bluff, Intimidate, or Sense Motive check in place of the standard initiative check.

If we use it Williams initiative would be 34 while using intimidate to stare down his opponent, trying to get him to flinch.


Hm. I think for that, this would need to be starting at engagement distance, such as with pistols or else next to each other, tip to tip sort of thing. You two are starting 20' away from each other, so any attack is going to require movement. So my ruling is no.


Male Human Paladin of Apsu 1 | HP: 12/12 | AC 18 TC 11 FF 17 | Fort: +4, Ref: +1, Will: +1 | Init +1| Per +3 SM -1 | 20 ft. speed | +5 CMB | CMD 16| Resist Fire 1 Smite Evil 1/1

Darivan is going to ready an action to draw his sword and advance to the duelists if a rule is broken (releasing concentration on detect magic as he does so, but Sylvia and Gwaihir keep concentrating).


Man paizos glitchy today. Ate my post in gameplay 3 times before posting it.

Any ways, yes that's a reasonable assessment of where that's best applied. Also, does not getting hit when you go off the table mean we're allowed to take the fight off the table?


Darivan should, like Lazar, have his weapon drawn. It's understood that the judges are readying/holding an action to advance and seperate the duelists if necessary.

As for the fight going off the table, no. In some duels, being forced off the table is considered a touch; duels are restricted (very, um, strictly) to the dueling tables basically so that there isn't blood all over the place all the fraggin' time. If you're forced off the table (or if you force them off the table), you withdraw to your end of the table and wait for them to re-mount. You can, if you wish, include that in your IC post, 'above the line' so to speak (indicating something before the combat begins).


Hunter 7 | HP 39/63 | AC 20, Touch 15, FF 16 | CMB +6 | CMD 20 | Fort +7, Ref +10, Will +6 | Init +4 | Senses: Darkvision, Perception +13 Defenses: 5/fire/cold/elec | Hunter Spells: 1st 5/5, 2nd 4/4, 3rd 1/2 | Cohort: Deneb Flynvias

Anyone wandering around that is not in the duel. I have lost track of peoples. And really don't want to sign up for another website.


Male Human Paladin of Apsu 1 | HP: 12/12 | AC 18 TC 11 FF 17 | Fort: +4, Ref: +1, Will: +1 | Init +1| Per +3 SM -1 | 20 ft. speed | +5 CMB | CMD 16| Resist Fire 1 Smite Evil 1/1

Okay. I wasn't sure about that. Darivan will keep his blade resting on his shoulder, then. Same readies action otherwise.


Male Half-Elf Bard 4 | AC 20 | HP 44 | Fort +7, Ref +10, Will +8 | Perception +8, low-light vision | Focus Points 2/2 |
Spells:
1st - 3/3, 2nd - 3/3
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Aramil and Porablum are speaking to a Bleachling gnome amongst the Cenobitic Monks, plus I think Acaciano is wandering around outside the duel. Amavin is watching the drinking contest, plus there might be a cohort of someone involved in the duel wandering about the main dining hall.


Male Human Sorcerer 7 HP 59/59, Init +6, Per +0, AC 18/12/16, Fort +5, Ref +5, Will +6 Cohort: Kliment Yaroslav [L1 8/8, L2 7/8, L3 5/5]

Kliment is watching the drinking contest as well while Bartek watches over the duel


Hunter 7 | HP 39/63 | AC 20, Touch 15, FF 16 | CMB +6 | CMD 20 | Fort +7, Ref +10, Will +6 | Init +4 | Senses: Darkvision, Perception +13 Defenses: 5/fire/cold/elec | Hunter Spells: 1st 5/5, 2nd 4/4, 3rd 1/2 | Cohort: Deneb Flynvias
Amavin Zephyra wrote:
Picking up cues from the crowd, she immediately sits and pours a drink, although feels slightly ill at ease in the situation.

Did Amavin join the drinking game?


Female Human Sorcerer 7
Stats:
Init +6 Perception +8

I think she's going to get destroyed in a drinking game. I assumed it's ok for her to sit and drink though but if I misjudged the mood at the table, I'd probably stand and observe or take a cue from arrogant looking lady (whoever she is)


Hunter 7 | HP 39/63 | AC 20, Touch 15, FF 16 | CMB +6 | CMD 20 | Fort +7, Ref +10, Will +6 | Init +4 | Senses: Darkvision, Perception +13 Defenses: 5/fire/cold/elec | Hunter Spells: 1st 5/5, 2nd 4/4, 3rd 1/2 | Cohort: Deneb Flynvias

To all my games. Going to be on vacation from tomorrow to Sunday. I will have my phone but I hate posting using a touch screen. Phone is new a little sensitive so some words don't come out right.


Ditto


Man my dice hate me lately. Those two moderate rolls might do something though.


Male Half Elf Druid (Treesinger) 7 | HP:84/84 | AC: 17; T: 13; FF: 15 | Fort: +8; Ref: +4; Will: +10 (+4 vs Fey, +2 vs Enchant.) | Low-light Vision; Init: +2; Perception: +13 | Cohort: Tai Reen

Deneb:
How about a Giant Raven?

My suggestion -- if you're not already doing this, which is how I found the Giant Raven -- is to search Archives of Nethys for the following term: "Fly "+"medium"+"animal".
The responses aren't perfect, but you definitely narrow down your search to a reasonable field.

Best of Luck!


I use the pfsrd. No giant raven there. Though that brings up the question, can you add templates to animals? Like adding the giant template (increase size by one step) to an eagle (small size). Because of the limitations on Beast Shape, I don't think it would mean gaining a lot.


Male Half Elf Druid (Treesinger) 7 | HP:84/84 | AC: 17; T: 13; FF: 15 | Fort: +8; Ref: +4; Will: +10 (+4 vs Fey, +2 vs Enchant.) | Low-light Vision; Init: +2; Perception: +13 | Cohort: Tai Reen

Not to be that guy, but they are, they're just presented on the pfsrd only as an animal companion option, which has all the same info just super compressed as compared to the full entry; Nethys gives the full bestiary entry as presented in Hell's Rebels.

I'm usually a pfsrd user myself (and Patreon supporter for that matter) but as I've been researching plant shape forms for Acaciano, I've found Nethys to be more help.


Yea pfsrd I find to be more helpful for character building just because its the first thing that usually comes up in a google search. While Nethys is pretty good for general information on the system and world.


Male Human Paladin of Apsu 1 | HP: 12/12 | AC 18 TC 11 FF 17 | Fort: +4, Ref: +1, Will: +1 | Init +1| Per +3 SM -1 | 20 ft. speed | +5 CMB | CMD 16| Resist Fire 1 Smite Evil 1/1

According to the polymorph rules, you can't assume the shape of a templates creature.
Personally, I prefer Archives, as it's labeled pretty clearly where everything comes from, whereas with PFSRD you have 3rd party mixed in with everything.


Male Half-Elf Bard 4 | AC 20 | HP 44 | Fort +7, Ref +10, Will +8 | Perception +8, low-light vision | Focus Points 2/2 |
Spells:
1st - 3/3, 2nd - 3/3
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Hey, so I've been undotted from all of my games. It's possible that people aren't seeing notifications regarding updates, so patience may be needed.


I've not been able to access my campaigns tab for the last two days. I have to get here through Williams "posts" tab.


Male Human Paladin of Apsu 1 | HP: 12/12 | AC 18 TC 11 FF 17 | Fort: +4, Ref: +1, Will: +1 | Init +1| Per +3 SM -1 | 20 ft. speed | +5 CMB | CMD 16| Resist Fire 1 Smite Evil 1/1

Yeah, I've noticed that too. My dots still show up, but I'm not being notified about new posts. I've resorted to manually clicking through all my campaigns to check for updates.


Hunter 7 | HP 39/63 | AC 20, Touch 15, FF 16 | CMB +6 | CMD 20 | Fort +7, Ref +10, Will +6 | Init +4 | Senses: Darkvision, Perception +13 Defenses: 5/fire/cold/elec | Hunter Spells: 1st 5/5, 2nd 4/4, 3rd 1/2 | Cohort: Deneb Flynvias

Really? My Campaigns tab works it just isn't notifying me of updates. But that is forum wide and looks like it should be fixed soon. I hope things pick up cause it's put a halt on most of my games.


Male Half Elf Druid (Treesinger) 7 | HP:84/84 | AC: 17; T: 13; FF: 15 | Fort: +8; Ref: +4; Will: +10 (+4 vs Fey, +2 vs Enchant.) | Low-light Vision; Init: +2; Perception: +13 | Cohort: Tai Reen

Mmm yeah, same as Lyda here. Still dotted, but not seeing updates.


I wounder if this has already killed any PBP's?


Male Human Paladin of Apsu 1 | HP: 12/12 | AC 18 TC 11 FF 17 | Fort: +4, Ref: +1, Will: +1 | Init +1| Per +3 SM -1 | 20 ft. speed | +5 CMB | CMD 16| Resist Fire 1 Smite Evil 1/1

Not sure. It's fixed now, though.


Female Human Sorcerer 7
Stats:
Init +6 Perception +8

GM just a heads up, but I think a lot of us are waiting for the next stage of the duel, since its slowing other people down from posting. Ishana for instance, cannot do much other than watch the fight and be prepared to heal. We might want to speed run the duel - the rest of us not bound by the duel can continue to post among ourselves with little downside.


I'm quite curious about the outcome of the duel.

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