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People can take advantage of the resale of items now, it's the avoiding the updates for another month or so before CC/AR updates (such as original lucky flavor jingasa in Jade Regent book) that ppl can still technically enjoy for the upcoming weekend.I'm thinking that if were going to be at all possible for them to have the update up for the weekend, then it would already be done. Maybe it'll be up by next week. It'll be too late to take advantage of the new update for this weekend's gaming, unfortunately.Oh, and I know that we're a little behind on the Campaign Clarifications/Additional Resources process, but I want to be clear that we're going to note the change to these items in previous printings. If you pass on these sell-back/retraining considerations in order to enjoy a luck bonus to AC for another month or so, you're doing so at your own risk.Do you think it's possible to see an update this week, or are we for sure needing to wait till next week? this is regarding the update you said was soon
My comment is on the update to the Additional Resources page that will contain new content from recently released material, which I'm guessing is what Thomas was asking about. I'm not talking about the errata, which went live and affected PFS as soon as it was released.
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Oh, and I know that we're a little behind on the Campaign Clarifications/Additional Resources process, but I want to be clear that we're going to note the change to these items in previous printings. If you pass on these sell-back/retraining considerations in order to enjoy a luck bonus to AC for another month or so, you're doing so at your own risk.Do you think it's possible to see an update this week, or are we for sure needing to wait till next week? this is regarding the update you said was soon
Given that they are at PaizoCon until Monday, I doubt you'll see an update this week.
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I’ll need to wait until next week to change the original post, but I can inform folks of the following considerations.
Amulet of Mighty Fists: You might have purchased brawling armor and foregone an amulet of mighty fists—perhaps even purchased a different neck-slot item. If you had brawling armor, you may also sell back a neck-slot item you have at full price so long as the intention is to purchase an amulet of mighty fists or similar unarmed-strike-augmenting item. You may also sell back your character’s most recent purchases, but only enough to afford an amulet of mighty fists +1.
Fate’s Favored: Characters with this trait may replace it with another valid trait. If you acquired the trait by means of the Additional Traits feat, you may instead retrain that feat.
Master of Trade (vanity): If you sold back an item whose price you augmented with this vanity or another discount ability, you gain a single additional use of that ability that you must use before the end of your next adventure; if you do not use it by then, the additional use is lost. The maximum discount you can receive on this purchase is equal to the amount you saved on the original item's market price (e.g. 3,000 for a staff of the master).
See many of you at PaizoCon!
Dare I ask what is happening to Fates Favored?
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I believe wand use still counts as casting a spell. Even though it does not provoke.Wands can't be used to place spells in a spell-storing items. It's one of the differences between spell completion and spell activation items.
What does that have anything to do with Spell Storing? Nothing in the ability says it differentiates between the two, or even calls out a source of the spell. Just that it be cast into it.
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I believe wand use still counts as casting a spell. Even though it does not provoke.Wands can't be used to place spells in a spell-storing items. It's one of the differences between spell completion and spell activation items.
Wands use the spell trigger activation method, so casting a spell from a wand is usually a standard action that doesn't provoke attacks of opportunity.
You are still casting a spell. Do you have a citation that proves your statement?
You are still casting a spell. Do you have a citation that proves your statement?According to this FAQ you don't actually cast spells from items. Since spell-storing specifically allows scrolls it means spells originating from other items can't be used.
That's not what it says.
No. Unless they specifically state otherwise, feats and abilities that modify spells you cast only affect actual spellcasting, not using magic items that emulate spellcasting or work like spellcasting.
It says that abilities that affect spells only affect a character's spell-casting, not "spells" that they get from items. This is very different from "Activating a Wand doesn't count as casting a spell" or something to that effect, which is what you actually need.
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I’ll need to wait until next week to change the original post, but I can inform folks of the following considerations.
Amulet of Mighty Fists: You might have purchased brawling armor and foregone an amulet of mighty fists—perhaps even purchased a different neck-slot item. If you had brawling armor, you may also sell back a neck-slot item you have at full price so long as the intention is to purchase an amulet of mighty fists or similar unarmed-strike-augmenting item. You may also sell back your character’s most recent purchases, but only enough to afford an amulet of mighty fists +1.
Fate’s Favored: Characters with this trait may replace it with another valid trait. If you acquired the trait by means of the Additional Traits feat, you may instead retrain that feat.
Master of Trade (vanity): If you sold back an item whose price you augmented with this vanity or another discount ability, you gain a single additional use of that ability that you must use before the end of your next adventure; if you do not use it by then, the additional use is lost. The maximum discount you can receive on this purchase is equal to the amount you saved on the original item's market price (e.g. 3,000 for a staff of the master).
See many of you at PaizoCon!
Great, just what I was hoping for.
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I think scrolls are able to be cast in spell-storing armor due to the fact that scrolls are actually spell completion magic items and activating them actually involves going through the motions of finishing casting a spell. Spell Trigger items, like wands and staves, don't involve casting a spell and don't qualify for putting spells into things, since the Spell-Storing property as well as Rings of Spell Storing and Vibrant Purple Prism Ioun Stones all require a spell being cast into it.
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These nerfed items are now right in line with the uninspiring, useless items that come out in monthly Player Companions and Campaign Settings.
Actually the items in the Companion and Campaign Settings stuff tends to be drastically more powerful than anything Ultimate Equipment ever hoped to have. Its just that generally speaking those items are banned in PFS though even then they aren't entirely consistent about that.
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These nerfed items are now right in line with the uninspiring, useless items that come out in monthly Player Companions and Campaign Settings.Actually the items in the Companion and Campaign Settings stuff tends to be drastically more powerful than anything Ultimate Equipment ever hoped to have. Its just that generally speaking those items are banned in PFS though even then they aren't entirely consistent about that.
Yeah no. The range there is so variable that the statement is actually true. The mass of items are either too specific to be of any use outside of very spedicifc circumstances or are just beaten by your typical big 6.
A good item has to be better and more interesting than a big 6 item to justify the loss of that big 6 item.
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A good item has to be better and more interesting than a big 6 item to justify the loss of that big 6 item.
So... there can be no 'good' items in the other 9 'slots'? Not to mention slotless items.
At that, considering that two of the 'big 6' are just 'weapon' and 'armor', rather than any specific item within those categories, there are really only four ACTUAL items which 'block out' their slots;
Ring of Protection (though the other ring slot remains free)
Amulet of Natural Armor
Cloak of Resistance
Stat booster... which could be belt or head slot
That leaves plenty of room for other items. The whole 'nobody uses anything but the big 6' spiel is inherently nonsensical. Even if everybody used them... they don't take up a majority of the item slots.
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That leaves plenty of room for other items. The whole 'nobody uses anything but the big 6' spiel is inherently nonsensical. Even if everybody used them... they don't take up a majority of the item slots.
But they still use up your gold. Assuming you have any kind of economy in magic items at all (and since this is the pfs section of the forums, shop s M art, shop magic mart) an item has to be cool and effective enough for its cost to not put the money into the big six instead. It doesn't matter if i have a nose ring an ear ring free if everything in those slots its ridiculously expensive you just don't fill it.
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These nerfed items are now right in line with the uninspiring, useless items that come out in monthly Player Companions and Campaign Settings.Actually the items in the Companion and Campaign Settings stuff tends to be drastically more powerful than anything Ultimate Equipment ever hoped to have. Its just that generally speaking those items are banned in PFS though even then they aren't entirely consistent about that.Yeah no. The range there is so variable that the statement is actually true. The mass of items are either too specific to be of any use outside of very spedicifc circumstances or are just beaten by your typical big 6.
A good item has to be better and more interesting than a big 6 item to justify the loss of that big 6 item.
Yeah sorry that argument doesn't fly when the big 6 aren't a universal requirement in of themselves. For example armor isn't a universal need nor weapons on my one character. Admittedly, I'm not sure if I'd torture the GM with that ability but it exists.
Edit:Now that I think of it through not knowing Pathfinders rules two of my characters are missing bits of armor.
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Yeah no. The range there is so variable that the statement is actually true. The mass of items are either too specific to be of any use outside of very spedicifc circumstances or are just beaten by your typical big 6.
A good item has to be better and more interesting than a big 6 item to justify the loss of that big 6 item.
... If your goal is to be a set of numbers.
While I know some people like that, it's not the only model of play. Almost none of my PCs have all of the "big six", but instead choose items based on the character's personality - something that I don't get any "plusses" for based on what I buy.
As an aside, I would expect Campaign officers to not support such insulting comments against the publications that they get for free. People can have opinions about things being "useless", but to see support of that from a VC is... disappointing.
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... If your goal is to be a set of numbers.
Flag on the play. Stormwind fallacy/ either or fallacy. Try to make a point without assuming that people are playing the game wrong.
Insulting an item is NOT insulting a person. You? Not somuch.
but to see support of that from a VC is... disappointing.
Or eye opening to exactly how bad the problem is.
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Or proof that the VO team is group of campaign participants with different opinions, philosophies, and thoughts, all of which we are free to express provided we do it in a courteous fashion! And the diversity of our opinions is what cultivates an honest system of feedback for the future development of PFS! We're even allowed to disagree with Tonya (provided we do so politely and quietly)
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Yeah no. The range there is so variable that the statement is actually true. The mass of items are either too specific to be of any use outside of very spedicifc circumstances or are just beaten by your typical big 6.
A good item has to be better and more interesting than a big 6 item to justify the loss of that big 6 item.
... If your goal is to be a set of numbers.
While I know some people like that, it's not the only model of play. Almost none of my PCs have all of the "big six", but instead choose items based on the character's personality - something that I don't get any "plusses" for based on what I buy.
As an aside, I would expect Campaign officers to not support such insulting comments against the publications that they get for free. People can have opinions about things being "useless", but to see support of that from a VC is... disappointing.
First of all, in my opinion that post about items being useless is kind of ironic.
Second, i never said i think any stuff is useless. I´m actually a big fan of the Pathfinder Player Companion Line and you can pretty often find me over in that forum expressing that.Third, it´s a safe bet that anyone who is a VO invests a lot into Pathfinder and PFS what goes way beyond money, because they are great fans themselves, else nobody would do that. Time and nerves spend don´t add up in any way ;)
Fourth, being a VO doesn´t mean you don´t get to have a personal opinion. Also VOs can tell what they see other players choose in the games they run. It´s kind of a thing that VOs see a lot of different people play this game and get to hear a lot of opinions, wether they want to hear those or not^^
And yes, Pathfinder Society is so awesome, that it can afford to freely allow different opinions and the free exchange of them.
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Being competent is a core character concept for both the player and the campaign. If your job is killing stuff so that the archeologists can look at it, you need to be able to kill stuff. To do that, you need the gear. It creates cognative dissonance when your idea for a character is the stalwart defender and champion of the society but all you do is swing at things, miss, and then stand around babbling incoherent because your missed all of your saves.
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Yeah no. The range there is so variable that the statement is actually true. The mass of items are either too specific to be of any use outside of very spedicifc circumstances or are just beaten by your typical big 6.
A good item has to be better and more interesting than a big 6 item to justify the loss of that big 6 item.
... If your goal is to be a set of numbers.
While I know some people like that, it's not the only model of play. Almost none of my PCs have all of the "big six", but instead choose items based on the character's personality - something that I don't get any "plusses" for based on what I buy.
My friend, you must understand that the persuit of the big 6 is in no way exclusive to a character concept. My Vigilante's first major purchases are going to be Big 6 things, followed by upgrading them. These items do wonders to echance what she can already do with numerical bonuses.
Despite this, she is not a pile of numbers. She is Lisena the Serpent, softly spoken but intimidating when she needs to be, a warrior on a quest to avenge the death of the mugger who sacrificed his life to save her parents. This does not change if 85% of her wealth by level goes towards AC and Attack bonuses.
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We're even allowed to disagree with Tonya (provided we do so politely and quietly)This is very depressing to hear. That you have to stress how quietly you are allowed to disagree with someone.
It seems my attempt at humor failed. My bad there. I was trying to use the smaller text to indicate a whimsical, timid tone which is certainly outside my character. And as it might need to be stated: as VOs our opinions are not censored by Paizo.
To clarify: I discuss my opinions loudly, openly, and honestly to anyone who cares listen, PFS staff or otherwise.