Hey gang,
Let's say we're God Wizards with some money to burn, lets say we loathe to use weapons, but understand occassionally, you may need a back-up to our reality-altering superiority. Of course, we shun sharp sticks and such, we need a weapon worthy of our station!
So, being a master of the arcane, what sort of enchantments would we put on our emergency superweapon? I'm thinking a Brilliant Energy, Impact, Mimetic, Negating weapon would do some hurt and be able to breach through some defenses while making the wielder a bit more likely to survive but can you think of anything else that we could enchant our fallback weapon with that annihilates those who dare threaten us?
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The backup weapon of the godwizard is the rest of the party. The godbotherer, the meatshield and the sneaky one. It's what he uses wen he can't be arsed to unleash his full power on the little ants.
I thought a God Wizard's backup weapon was a necklace of fireballs? Or a scroll of fireball? That or teleport, as mentioned above. Bonus points if teleporting to your personal sanctum, where there are other people/minions with pointy sticks waiting to stab anyone who comes in after you.The problem with the term God Wizard is that the folks who use it tend to fall into delusions of omnipotence and invulnerability, which sadly get severely disproven when such delusions let them get sloppy and inattentive at crucial moments.
I prefer the term Chess Master. And it's always good to know when to castle your king.
Totally agree. I see int based characters are the mastermind of battle, not only wizard, but rogue as well. Only if pathfinder allow more options for rogue to outsmart wizard so they can play chess in equal footage, which is very clear that pathfinder failed what Thieves' World has achieved. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is Wizard in pathfinder shouldn't play blaster like sorcerer, they should plan ahead, step by step and have backup plans. Because all int based characters should are not invulnerable, and they should be smart enough to know that. They should already have plans for things such as trapped in a realm with no magic at all, a true wizard would ready have plans for that.
I think you guys have missed the point, obviously the wizard should never be having to count on his 1d4 dagger to save the day, but as a fun experiment what would you arm the God Wizard with that would make the AMBARBARIAN comment on overkill? I'm picturing something like the cricket from MIB, where it looks really unimpressive (ooh, the wizard pulled out his small club) but packs a wallop (and then the wizard exploded the barn with his stick).
It's a question of weapon enchantments, not tactics :)
Ravingdork does have a transmutation specialist that does well in melee in his Crazy Character Emporium. Here.
Now that we're done bawling about how wizards "can't melee" and dismissing the premise of the thread, let's enjoy ourselves.
I like the Void Scythe for looks and the on-death effect. Nice for coups de grace. I think there's a way for wizards to get channel energy, too, so they could get the negative level bit in theory.
Thanks Ipslore, that's the spirit! The void scythe looks lovely, granted, I would think the necromancer type who would opt for such a weapon would prefer to keep the slain bodies around for replacements.
Make the most potent weapon you can using an untraditional chassis for a rare situation. Now can we please set aside the irrelevant discussions and have some fun with over-the-top surprises to awe the melee types?
I think you guys have missed the point, obviously the wizard should never be having to count on his 1d4 dagger to save the day, but as a fun experiment what would you arm the God Wizard with that would make the AMBARBARIAN comment on overkill? I'm picturing something like the cricket from MIB, where it looks really unimpressive (ooh, the wizard pulled out his small club) but packs a wallop (and then the wizard exploded the barn with his stick).
It's a question of weapon enchantments, not tactics :)
You are missing the point. If your god wizard has a +5 ______ and he is in melee combat he still dies a horrible death.
Thanks Ipslore, that's the spirit! The void scythe looks lovely, granted, I would think the necromancer type who would opt for such a weapon would prefer to keep the slain bodies around for replacements.
Make the most potent weapon you can using an untraditional chassis for a rare situation. Now can we please set aside the irrelevant discussions and have some fun with over-the-top surprises to awe the melee types?
and RD's wizard is good in melee "for a wizard", but at level 15 or higher he still dies in combat.
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Okay. Are you familiar with the most important rule of the forums? Now, tell me, what do you think going into someone's thread and telling them not to have fun, regardless of how silly the idea might be, qualifies as?
If you can't be bothered with common decency, then imagine we're discussing level 14 and below only.
Okay. Are you familiar with the most important rule of the forums? Now, tell me, what do you think going into someone's thread and telling them not to have fun, regardless of how silly the idea might be, qualifies as?
If you can't be bothered with common decency, then imagine we're discussing level 14 and below only.
Would you like to quote where I said "don't have fun"?
I am telling them the idea won't work as presented. I am quite sure the "don't be a jerk" rule included not making things up and assigning them to people.
Now you are always free to ASK me why I did something or what my intent was, but don't lie on me or ASSUME when your words are NOT even close to anything I said.
I think you guys have missed the point, obviously the wizard should never be having to count on his 1d4 dagger to save the day, but as a fun experiment what would you arm the God Wizard with that would make the AMBARBARIAN comment on overkill? I'm picturing something like the cricket from MIB, where it looks really unimpressive (ooh, the wizard pulled out his small club) but packs a wallop (and then the wizard exploded the barn with his stick).Here's the problem. What would make a wizard so desperate to rely on melee? Something that has wiped out all of his chess pieces. Which means you're talking about extremely potent melee, maybe a Paladin, Barbarian, or whatnot of level appropriate challenge maybe higher. Do you really thing that there is such a thing as ANY form of enchantment which going to give him a prayer against this melee, who no doubt has potent weapons of his own? And more important, ACTUALLY has the whewithall to back them up?
There's plenty of things.
Off the top of my head "A Blink Dog has popped out in front of you, what do you do?"
"Well I don't feel like wasting a spell slot, so..."
I was about to say with that list it sounds like an artifact until I read #4. Basically you are going to need GM Fiat for most of that stuff. If might be better to assign this acquisition of such as item as a quest because if he puts a price tag on it, you may not be able to afford it.
The question is this---->Are you trying to be as good in melee as a full BAB class or are you looking to be more defensive?
Dancing scythe could be a decent start. Why fight when you can let a weapon do it for you while you cast your next spell?
My personal weapon, tiny constructs ordered to attack any who threatened me. Golems, homunculi, animated objects (permanency) and anything else I can have jump out from my pockets and get between the hasted charging barbarian (that my fighter somehow missed) or Summoned mook (that dang caster threw at me, despite the rogue concentration interference).
A player of mine has an item, force damage and push (save or be thrown) on a hit against the wearer, it hurts the enemy AND gets them away from the wizard, yes please.
Failing that, poisoned, +5 Keen cestus with as many elemental damages as I could afford.
A Dancing Musket of Doom sprang to mind.
Then I reconsidered. Why stop with a handheld device?
A gargantuan, animated Bombard (there are spells to automagically operate these, so why not enchant one?), follows you around and shoots anything too trivial to bother casting a spell at. 9d6 base damage, targeting roll uses Knowledge: Engineering (Int mod, plus BAB plus skill etc). Can be used directly or indirectly, targeting the square not an individual.
Add in extra elemental damage to your taste, the highest 'plus' you can be bothered with and anything else your GM allows you to add.
If it's too big for your tastes, use a 'shrink' enchantment on it, based on enlarge/reduce person. After all, the ammunition becomes its real size as soon as it leaves the miniscule bombard mounted on your epaulettes...
edit: it uses d6s not d8s. Shame.
Well, if you can spend a quarter of your wealth in your weapon you may be able to kill a CR 3 monster by level 12. Which is quite unimpressive.
To do that I'd go for a greatsword and make it holy, for a total cost of 18300 gp. If you did not totally dump STR (let's say you've got a 10, which is rare for a wizard) you can full attack for 4d6+1 with +7/+2. Please note however that you your main asset here is your "high" BAB, which is related to your level rather than to your weapon.
If you are at a much higher level, brilliant energy will help you to hit, with some other enchantment for damage (holy, maybe some element)
I wouldn't bother fishing for criticals (very unreliable and even if you threatens one you still have to confirm it).
Of course, if you want to focus on a single type of enemy, bane would be your best pick.
That said, a weapon that would make a high level wizard "good" or "respectable" would be heart-shattering in the hands of a fighter.
The only option is to look for a weapon that allows you to cast spells. A quarterstaff, for example.
Any Wizard worth his salt knows the most potent weapon is... a Wizard. So have a buddy / Clone / Simulacrum / über Familiar ready to bail you out of any trouble.
I was gonna say if your god wizard have gold to spare. Consider giving it to your team mates.
A god wizard without a team is not so godly and May want some blast spells.
I plan to make Bracers of the glib entertainer for one og my wizards because, that one Lie May save his life when magic cannot.
I play a wizard that could be considered a "God Wizard" and I only have ever made one weapon. I have a backup weapon made by my partner the witch, a Wand of Magic Missile CL 9th (she is Samsaran.) The one I made was a Ghost Touch Net +1. That sucker is how we finally defeated the Ghost Druid who kept running away. Best 4,000 gold I ever spent.
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I am working on the following "backup weapon"
A +5 Mithral Quickdraw Small Shield with a +5 dueling, defending shield spike.
You might want to add Ghost Touch to it, if you end up fighting a lot of incorporeal undead, but this is probably not worth the price.
Anyway, the whole point of this item is that it can grant you a total of +11 to your AC bonus and a +4 to your initiative rolls.
you can put it away quickly once combat starts (and your initiative has been determined), and you can pull it out quickly in order to go "full defensive" if you are in the uncomfortable position of actually needing to USE your AC (how embarrassing).
Obviously it's the sort of thing that you just start out with a +1 shield spike and add dueling to it at lower levels (16K if you don't have the craft feat), and then you gradually increase the enchantment over time - probably it's better to focus on the spike than the shield because the shield doesn't stack with your shield spell.
But there you go - the only actual melee weapon a God wizard should ever use.
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Sphere of Annihilation
I thought the back up super weapon was Wish. I think with the update to the tarrasque you could Gate it in and go to another plane of existence until it goes back to sleep. I may be wrong on that part, I'm at work and don't have time to research it.
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I think you guys have missed the point, obviously the wizard should never be having to count on his 1d4 dagger to save the day, but as a fun experiment what would you arm the God Wizard with that would make the AMBARBARIAN comment on overkill? I'm picturing something like the cricket from MIB, where it looks really unimpressive (ooh, the wizard pulled out his small club) but packs a wallop (and then the wizard exploded the barn with his stick).
It's a question of weapon enchantments, not tactics :)
The cricket is in da house
I play a wizard that could be considered a "God Wizard" and I only have ever made one weapon. I have a backup weapon made by my partner the witch, a Wand of Magic Missile CL 9th (she is Samsaran.) The one I made was a Ghost Touch Net +1. That sucker is how we finally defeated the Ghost Druid who kept running away. Best 4,000 gold I ever spent.
Nets are ranged weapons. Ghost Touch is a melee only enchant. That may not work the way you want it to.
Here is my dream superweapon list:
On my +5 Heavy Fortification Glamored Silken Ceremonial Armor, +5 Defending Armor Spikes.
In my hands:+1 Dueling Brilliant Energy dagger and a +1 Vorpal Keen Scimitar forged by my Simulacrum Balor, who infused it with the 15-20 vorpal range. So I can boost my AC, be mostly immune to critical hits/sneak attack, nobody realizes I have armor spikes/armor, and keep fighting until I get that lucky 20 death effect.
I'd also have Contingency set to teleport me to a cleric's guild that I am on good terms with when reduced to 1HP or less, and have a pouch of Diamond Dust on me with an instruction for clerics to raise/heal me if I am dead/unconscious, and have there be enough diamond dust for 2 raise dead's, so they make a profit.
And for good measure, mix Trap the Soul and the Tarrasque together and have it placed on my person so that if you were to damage me you might break it. So if you kill me, the tarrasque comes out.
Nets are ranged weapons. Ghost Touch is a melee only enchant. That may not work the way you want it to.
It already did. Good catch though, it probably should have cost more as a custom enchant to get a melee only property on a ranged weapon. This game is played at the beer & pretzels level, and it would have easily been approved anyway.
Pocket Barbarian. Works every time. They trap you in an AMF and the barbarian in your bag of holding (W endless air) pops out and murderizes them.
The contents of a bag of holding (or any extradimensional space) become inaccessible in an antimagic field. You're barbarian would be trapped in the bag.
How about his homunculus?
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r4ie?Tiny-God-theorycrafting-homonculus
That's what my back up weapon would be.
This is good.
You can keep him in your hat until you need him:)
I was about to say with that list it sounds like an artifact until I read #4. Basically you are going to need GM Fiat for most of that stuff. If might be better to assign this acquisition of such as item as a quest because if he puts a price tag on it, you may not be able to afford it.
The question is this---->Are you trying to be as good in melee as a full BAB class or are you looking to be more defensive?
No, like you are super missing the point. He isn't asking for advice, or a strategic weapon for a character. He is asking for a cool item that a Powerful Wizard might buy to have, when he doesn't want to waste spellslots on peons, in an entirely hypothetic setting.
Saying "What situation made your wizard desperate enough to rely on melee?" or "Well, entering melee makes you die so nothing." Is literally failing a multiple choice question that has no wrong answers. Its like if I asked if you wanted to ride a Pegasus or a unicorn and you said that neither exist so my question is invalid.
Its a hypothetical, which could be phrased as "Whats the kewlest magic weapon to give someone with infinite money and power?"
I did not miss the point. If he REALLY wants this item he has to be able to get it in the game. If he can't get it then nothing else really matters.
Now if this is just a thought exercise then I missed that point.
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My God Wizard's always carry a crossbow (light). If and when they are forced to use it, they usually fumble for a bit, then scream at the BSF "HOW DO YOU LOAD THIS THING???" Maybe they hold it upside down, or with the bolt facing themselves for additional fun.
As for the enchantments he might put on such a weapon, I think "Allying" is a pretty obvious choice.
A staff of the master (30,000 gp) in your specialty, augmented with greater magic weapon, until you can afford a staff of power (235,000 gp) augmented with greater magic weapon. A +X brilliant energy spell storing dagger might also come in handy if grappled by a living, armored foe (force punch is possibly one of the better spells to store for this circumstance, although excruciating deformation, ray of exhaustion, or unadulterated loathing can also work).
I like how few people point out the unrealistic feasibility of taking most of your WBL to build a homunculus in order to pump out hundreds of attacks, or that Beastmass happening are small and that it's ridiculous to put 1 PC against so many encounters in two days, but as soon as someone suggests a wizard has a nice weapon too, people lose their minds. I figured I had made it pretty clear this was just a fun thought exercise and a chance to see how a wizard may put their unique twist on an adventurer's important kit: their weapon. Apparently poetic hyperbole is lost on some.
Staff of Power seems like a nasty way to punish someone who has the audacity to dare intrude upon your space! The Brilliant Energy impacting Spell storing dagger could be a handy escape tool, maybe give it an adamantine pommel, with some of our spell components tucked in a hollow compartment so after you've stabbed yourself free, the offender finds himself in another plane of existence. Muahahahahaha!