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All pretty good advice. I'll add: loud players should be away from wall. Shy players should sit at a place where they're inspired to feel more important ( the daddy place ). OOC talk should raise their hand to speak of or its in character.
As for motivation, if nothing work, make it obvious they're chewing more than they can take on solo.

One good option that can be used over and over whitout actually spoiling the PC build is illusion.
1- send in illusion critter whit some meat shield. Make them spend ressources.
2- send in archery rain of death. Spend some hp ressources and easyer to kill targets.
3A-not effective so far, battlefield control spell and whitdraw.
3B- afflicted some dammage/ressources drain, send in mobile fighting force. Divide and conquer.
4- still have the upper hand, time to close in combat whit some more illusion dummies/summon monster. Else flee. Its the swift cleave of death or tactical repositioning.

Basic battlefield combat tactic. Since the group will soon get a renown of spell casting, illusion as extra targets or expendable dummies, are easy countermesure. They do need to interact phisically or waste an action to be allowed a save to begin whit.

Illusion can be replaced whit common animal such as dog or goblins or summoned monster.

Divine intervention and keep total control whitout incresing wealth. there was an old artartifact that auto resurect anyone attuned to it ( toutch it ) and on the same plane whitout limit to # of user. Whit the little knack it travel plane now and then never staying for long. Again you control it and no $ bonus and it can make an adventure by itself. Just remember this orb resurect ppls at its area whitout any gear at all.

Mess happen! Death is bread and butter of every adventurer. Sounds to me your group might be more inclined playing a different kind of adventure : city setting, social set up, political intrigue or not dangerous at first look underground of slauther.

To the OP, scapegoat : 1 use item that heal your hp fully and get destroy when you die.

And help them out in the dungeon fist : hireling, pet, ally, cohort, summoning, clever illusion, build tactic, diplomacy, stealth, ect. Most importantly RUN AWAY TODAY TO FIGHT ANOTHER DAY special divine power of epic lv.

Obviously all those tricks can only be achieved by a high lv (35+) requirering long and sleepless night min-maxer powergaming and exploiting every single typo in the crb. Nah! The lv 0 commoner whit 1 hp and 3 as highest ability can make use of it. Why go whit artifact-like ability magic item for free when the group havent come to simple every day strategy. Speak whit your group and see why they die in the first place. If the dice TPK then : MESS HAPPEN.!

As a GM you allow or ban whatever you want. Nothing stopping you as long as you all have fun.

HopGob the clumsy, a goblin exiled for his mishaps. More of a clown than a fighter.
Bad Luck (ex): all roll of 5 and less are fumbles whit humiliating result.

Make clear and simple goals : kill X at Y for reward $. Have the BBEG be more evil than usual : take PC family hostage. Dont be afraid to use coertion vs PC : enchantment, intelligent items taking over, geas. Limit their options: describe only what you want them to see / do. Be pissed when they go on their own.

In short be my last GM. G. G. McController. Personnally, use the best gm tool avail: description of where you want them to go, let them Players believe its their idea. Be a manipulator.

Eldritch knight give extra boost for melee/range option when running out of spell. Arcane trickster take the trap monkey role while giving arcane support. Battle cleric or reach cleric are good option. Druids and summonner are monster. Magus and bard both serve their purpose. In short, i whould use a gish type character going on 2 stat focus build since 15 pb hurt MAD class.
I'd make sure to use a 10' pole and portable hole along.

I have read it as temporary since you can change the bonus-malus every month. So its not cumulative.

Enhancement or enchantment ... i am french g$& d#*mit i dont see any difference at all. The proper translation is enChantment.

Asumming fly let you levitate whitout actually casting the spell ... +1 player and -1 GM.
Share the love and spread the miracle: cast fly on your ally too.

I name everything Bob when time press.

Nice work.

Slow + anything that whould further reduce their speed by half again. " Say bye bye!". Net come to mind ( whit shrinked stone), wondering if solid fog could mess up, teleport them to the ground for a hug by the melee, wall spell ( have to remember wich), casting fly and haste on the BSF, enlarge person and grapple to Leroy Jenkin to the ground, portable hole used like a net.
And starting from lv 1 : grappling hook or arrow/bolt/javelin and rope. Animate rope come to mind also. Immovable rod or force cage, feather token : three, whip grapple (Leeroy again), feather token: anchor (fiat a load on this one but i can see a Dragon as a boat equivalent), blindness/deafness ( cant say where up is), a simple bag on the head or sheet ( no 747 autopilot build in fly spell).
Alternative change the battle area to inside or dungeon area. Stone wall and craft.

Thats a bunch of weird ways, many dont make them fall (as take free dammage) but most can do the thing needed : land the damn thing. Dont be picky and share cursed item (lode stone).

Oh and unability to do a single chin up only mean they're not exercised enough vs the lovely attraction they have on this world. (Trying to translate ... might be a mess lol).

Poeple today are quite weak, yes. At 5'10" 140 lbs wet i can outstrenght most friends and neighbors just cause i have a physical job. Have fun and see how many peps can do 5 chin ups.

Following on the tought its going, any spontaneous caster CAN increase their spell "known" by multiclassing and theurging ... REALLY? Common sense tell me divine and arcane DO NOT COME FROM THE SAME SOURCE! Divine : some entity give your spells. Arcane : you channelsome unknown energy called magic. Even the mechanic to access your spell is totally ddifferent. Divine: you pray for some effect you desire and *POUF!* here is your spell. Arcane: throught study or whatever mean you craft some energy into some effect.

How you retain your spellcasting ability is totally different also. Divine: be the " slave" of XYZ and keep your mind or loose casting. Arcane : loose your sanity and you loose your casting or spellbook.

Lastly : why the hell only and only specialised prestige class and to an extend some feat three actually DEAL whit mix and match different casting class WORDING SO, if any whould be multiclass spontaneous class could outdo that by lv 2?

A simple bead of fireball set to detonate at 0 hp. Or any medium whit fire/sonic/acid blast spell set in it. A shatter tooth, nearly impossible to detect to destroy a body (now an object) whit dirty effect.

[Enchantement bonus] [special property] [special material] [weapon].

Give it a name, gonna be shorter.

Pf = 3. 5+++ Try it out and get addicted.

To the OP: No. How to do it : go mystic theurge and combine spell then spontaneous cast it.

How do you blast throught the best plating around? Use the biggest gun availble. Make it bigger if it fail.

Now you already have most solutions avail. I ask : what is stopping you to use them? Afraid to kill a player? S+~+ happen! Raise dead is there for that ( and get some OTHER use for extra wealth given). Adventuring is a high risk job, death beiing part of it.

The linear guild can help challenge them. Use the weather, environnement, trap, ect to the ennemy advantage. BBEG do get the pick on when and where to die.

A note: cr seem to evolve poorly. Good vs unoptimised standard build but lame vs easy access to note and help from min-maxer throught the net.

Physical look is the domain of str, dex and con as well as player choice of desciption. Good sense of fashion fall more into cha. So is sense of self, reckless roleplay in social situation is good whit cha pin. *Pointing out janitor Willy from the Simpsons*

From your OP, roleplay npc first impression on those pc as outcast and not as an outrage to humanoids lifeform ( they are not aberration). Have the group be seen as associate and of the same kind as those low cha machine, so the high cha social bard can shine as it turn the situation around.

Your gm has cast an hypnotism spell on you ... "KAY! "

Now since your free back to the OP. Get your group togetter and start a wandering casino whit your party. Have the GM roleplay it. You had all the trics to make the pavillon tent and all trinket you need cheap. The coins are sure to cash in fast, prestidigitation is a must ( pee break to recast), social skill is important, everyone can have a table to make money in.

Now here is the pot aux roses: be proactive whit your GM (since i've broken the railroading spell) and see how and where it goes. If everything run nice and smooth ( 100 gp in a night for the party is easy achievement in a small town) use the casino as a gossip for adventure in some lair or ancien dungeon. If it turn out sour and the GM is stingy, its time to have a talk about where the game is going and what grand plan he has for your group.

Recapping your adventure so far, you ran into random encounter only and roleplay your quarter copper. Your GM seem to be open in letting your group goes their way to some extend ( styrge) and can be forced to allow some contents he's not so thrilled about ( Oracle). Exploit his weakness whitout playing in his strenght ( fiat infernal healing).

At best, pc and players alike will be able to make their own story ( has i think table top game should be played). At worst, you will develop the basic skill of gming.

Always remember rpg rule #1: everyone have fun at the table.

Steel cap toe boots of bending ( true strike 1/day) and aim for the groin. If it a guy, ur barbarian will call cheat. If its a girl, well get ready to be slap till ur head lift off.

If ur using FR there is a broken weapon there : heavy mercurial greatsword :-11 hit 2 d8, 19-20/x4; 22-24 k to craft ( non magical) and require 2 exotic weapon profeciency. Was reduced to 2 d6, x4 and 16k craft in 3. 5. Havent reserch if it made it to PF.
Score a critt and you beat ur fighter/barbarian dmg haut la main.

As a secret weapon, since can be made whit gold, just hand it over to the BBEG and gain 11 free ac.

Adnd char at this point ... point in cha, i stick in town and roleplay till gm turn himself over to the sanatorium. I know i can do it and you know i want to do it.

You're looking for power components in the base books. Design an adventure to discover intelligent items creation, list of components, special ritual crafting, ancien text of awakening your craft on the wall of a millenia tomb or everything the you can think of.

Have every pc play a part in the creation of an intelligent item. The fighter blood of hair for martial proess. The cleric holy symbol to give it life. The favorite alchemist potion to temper the steel. A Sting of the bard guitare for charm.

Then it whould be the little baby of the party and they all get bragging right for something or another. And players can take turn to roleplay the item, leaving you whit one less npc to control all the time.

Mercurial greatsword was my favorite exotic weapon back in 3. X i dont know if it made it to pf. Awsome dammage, insane critt (Broken in 3. 0), greater penalty if bbeg stole and used it against you and sheer cost of the weapon was something to speak of. Another favorite weapon is unharmed stike: most cheap and versatile weapon of the lot. Can trip, disharm, use a shield, doubble weapon, 0 weight, free and can even cast spells :)

Wish miracle and maybe lesser wish can give live back to your body whitout a free soul. It'll be an otomaton until ur soul is free from the magic jar. Regeneration may do the same trics along whit a few other spell as gm allow it.

Really good question since resurection need the soul to depart for the after life while its still "trapped" in the magic jar ... GM fiat.

The mecanic is about the same, as long as it take x page per spell lv at x cost per page. All the rest is flavor in description. That is as i see it

Have a fair in town and work something around that. Or a ball, party, casino, ect. If not in town let them encounter say a rap vs break dance contest between skelton and zombies (a bard tale). Crash in a bunch or orcs betting on race. Goblin parties ought to be funny. Try the WOW approach.

Investigation scénario can do the job. Dont kill the bad guy he have your mom hostage somewhere else. Still allowing plenty of kick in the door scenario. An evil commander took over your long friend army control ... plan A : kick the army butt all at once. Plan B :use your headache.

Mission type as dont kill any living poeple but stop those necromancers from messing around. Or bring Mr x to justice WHIT proof. The ennemy of my ennemy is my friend line get some neet role play opportunity whit some roll play later on.

Reward bonus if x non combat things succed. Have them deal whit cursed intelligent items ... really annoying to use IMO.

in the end, what really count is everyone have fun at the table. Everything else can go second.

Exotic weapon profeciency ( large great club). There problem solved and its RAW whitin the field of the feat.
Half-ogre (psionic type) whit orc breed does the.same : +2 str, powerful build (considered large when its best appropriate as for large weapon), darkvision 60 ft, medium size and base 30 ft speed.
magic item as an heritage : gloves of large clubber: can use weapon 1 size cathegory above your own no penalty. Must weild gloves 24 hours before benefitting the effect. If remooved, gloves must be weilded form a whole day again to fonction.
Switching a base race quality (or 2 in this case) for powerful build. Ex.: kill darkvision and orc ferocity or any combo you seem fit.
Traits, could use a or two trait for the ability. Or a trait whit a drawback.

All of the above dont break rules, it just flavor out on not printed option yet. Be the next one writing a rule book ;-) Do remember to use a clan of oppenent whit same ability at some point to make your player have a place in your campain.

Off the board option: large orc, half-giant race from mm, free ability, ect. Game wise its not over powerful as you can adjust encounter orn npc in town réactions (Shreck 1 ). But ur somehow "favoring" one player above the others and from that point, unless all players have same race or bonus, i am pretty certain that everything u will do to balance things out can turn sour.

Remeber rpg rule #1:everyone have fun at the table.

@Snow_Tiger i so like ur avatar.

Toon story as i grew whit it: we used to make our own rpg system based on dragon quest 1 and game alike. We draw most of our heros gear vilain and ect. It just went on as the year passed. It might be only a local expression.

As for GOON : lawful stupid, and such pc. Come from " goof off" in my locale.

Toon and goon has been used since the early 90s and it does refer to pc.

Here's the tought. All18 stats, lv 5 toon and 2 x wealth. You will be defending against hordes of humanoids a small town. So city setting many oppenent often in row.

What character class, 2 or 3 key gear, spell or feat u want to rely on?

I'd make a psichic warrior whit beefy armor and magic greatsword. I just like the sound of blood spilled at the tip of a huge sword and love the psionics since adnd (^_^)

What about you?

Oddly enough in the days we rolled our stats then the brain game began. "How am i supposed to rule the world whit a 3 and a 5? "
Today, as i see often, its up to "rolling" ur stats that give a headache @_@
anyway, i only have this to say: "RPG rule #1 is everyone have fun at the table. "
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Flanking give a +2 hit and kill dex to ac while allowing sneak attack. Bring a net to entangle an oppenent even if ur not profecient whit it ( toutch ac at -4 is a cake).

Telekinesis : dead body, left over armor ( or shrinked) and you have a " golem " on the run (no save to disbelief or waste an action from the evil cleric as it try to command undead). Need something to do whit giant weapon, big boulder, ect. Throw them all in a single burst. Get ur familiar to grapple at safe distance. Moove a party member in/out of something. My own "dwarven thrower" LotR wise.

Take my advice : talk to your gm.
second : talk to your gm.
and third : the #1 rule in rpg : everyone have fun at the table.

Archer type and party face could be decent. But the best advice will be go read post about adnd and the old timers trics. We used to play 3 d6 in order stats too often.

It was just out of the bat whitout books. Beside, good bunch of grappler have medium to low will save, save or loose spell do come to mind too. I will have to look for the boots, sounds nice. Tnx for the post.

Polymorphe in a rust monster and make that fighter cry

Blink and maze (on urself if need be).

Shape change into something whit swallow whole LOL. Grease, gaseous form, etheralness, undead form III in a incorcoreal form, dimension door, plane shift, fire shield, mage grasping hand, the obvious freedom of moovement, shapeshifting to ooze or gelatinous cube, gate ( and make yourself a new friend if ever want to comeback), passwall, enter your own demi plane, elemental shape air elemental and wirlwind, Did i forgot something?

Leathal or subdual dammage? All négative lethal dammage ( as fire to a troll) yes, roll for stabilisation. Subdual dammage is no (like blunt to a troll).

You have a good background for récurrent baddies ( slaver) and allies ( mom might survive and the forefather ranger ). Now i whould like to known about how ur pc grew : one or two event as a kid, and same as a teen. How he see his halfbreed heritage? And one goal for the futur.

There is no spell that affect a creature whitout allowing a save a spell resistance or an atk roll. The no save part of fabricate is as long as it affect non attended object of non magical quality.Otherwise the spell allow save or just dont work. The latter is the base assumption since it target an illegal target.

The spell should fail outright use this way as it duplicate totally another spell and its an out of combat spell. Now if wall of stone is on the same spell lv as his class as fabricate is, it whould just duplicate the stone wall spell whit lesser effect. Still allow a réflex save on giant, since that is what other entrapping spells, traps and special ability offer.
i've seen it a bit in adnd.

Damn! My gm was a cheater!
Thx for the tip.