My character dowsn't carry a ranged weapon because I ran out of money after buying a Greatsword and the heaviest armor I could get plus some beef jerky to eat on the roadYou couldn't afford a sling?
They are literally free. And weigh nothing
The ammo for them costs 1sp for 10 shots. Ask one of your companions for a silver piece.
Or, alternatively, pick up rocks off the ground and use them. Just like nature intended. Perfect for Scrooge McFighter or a barbarian on a budget.
well that would look silly
Big muscle man with a mighty blade and a then he pulls out an iddy bitty sling and starts twirling it around.
I'd be better off throwing the Halfling at them
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A witch turned me into a newt.
"I am Groot."
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My character dowsn't carry a ranged weapon because I ran out of money after buying a Greatsword and the heaviest armor I could get plus some beef jerky to eat on the roadYou couldn't afford a sling?
They are literally free. And weigh nothing
The ammo for them costs 1sp for 10 shots. Ask one of your companions for a silver piece.
Or, alternatively, pick up rocks off the ground and use them. Just like nature intended. Perfect for Scrooge McFighter or a barbarian on a budget.
well that would look silly
Big muscle man with a mighty blade and a then he pulls out an iddy bitty sling and starts twirling it around.
I'd be better off throwing the Halfling at them
What makes you think that a sling is 'iddy bitty'? It's a sling - not a slingshot.
Or if it still goes against your sensibilities - pick up a few javilins at 1gp a pop. Even at 1st you should be able to afford 5gp in order to be prepared.
I used to use ranged weapons like you, but then I took an arrow to the knee...
I used to use ranged weapons like you, but then I took an arrow to the knee...
Oh, what the smurf!!!
Welcome back after 1264 days:)Because DM's are supposed to cater to me and not put me in positions where I have to use a less than optimal method of attack.If the player fails to acquire ranged weaponry or abilities by accident, or uses roleplay as a justification for their lack thereof, I may alter the game to suit that.
If a player assumes that I will cater to them and thus purposefully only takes melee as an option, I take it as an insult and I WILL force them into combat with multiple flying and ranged combatants.
That toxic attitude will not be tolerated in my games.
Oh, I've been around.
I don't know why it says I was gone that long.
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Because I am the Seeker.
I have the Sword of Truth, so I don't carry a bow, but I always have one when the plot calls for it.
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Because I'm a Telekineticist, you are my ranged weapon.
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...because I'm good enough, smart enough and, gosh darnit, people like me.
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I'm just here to make you look at the flowers.
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...because it's a gateway mechanic to more sordid methods of combat, like spellcasting.
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Because I read Mickey Zucker Reichert's Renshai Chronicles too many times?
My character does not carry a ranged weapon because he refuses to believe that the universe exists beyond a 5 foot radius around himself.
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My character does not carry a ranged weapon because he refuses to believe that the universe exists beyond a 5 foot radius around himself.
Otherwise known as "Martial Syndrome".
My character does not carry a ranged weapon because he refuses to believe that the universe exists beyond a 5 foot radius around himself.Otherwise known as "Martial Syndrome".
As a great man once said
"Listen… I don't care what you do somewhere else in the universe, but anywhere within reach of my sword, is my country! Bastards who come in and try and mess with my things…whether it be a general, whether it be space pirates, whether it be a meteorite… I'll destroy them all!"
My character does not carry a ranged weapon because he refuses to believe that the universe exists beyond a 5 foot radius around himself.Otherwise known as "Martial Syndrome".As a great man once said
"Listen… I don't care what you do somewhere else in the universe, but anywhere within reach of my sword, is my country! Bastards who come in and try and mess with my things…whether it be a general, whether it be space pirates, whether it be a meteorite… I'll destroy them all!"
Everything inside the red line is mine. I'm just standing my ground! ;)
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My character doesn't carry a ranged weapon because....
- he has no way to wield them (Blacken curse or something)
- he can't afford a sling
- I will charge/teleport/shadowjump to them
- of my religion
- backup weapons are for wimps
- I can only carry one weapon, anything else will encumber me
- I wouldn't hit anyway
- I didn't think to get one
Really, the very least a character should have is a sling. Wizards have other choices and usually has a ranged cantrip to take the sling's place.
Of my characters, the one who doesn't carry a ranged weapon has the following reason:
At first level, she was at –4 to hit with all ranged weapons, and -2 to damage. Thus, she might as well throw her melee weapon (only -2 to hit, no damage penalty) instead of paying for a ranged weapon expensive enough to actually do damage (such as a longbow) with starting gold. Then, the AP she's in has no shops from level 1 to her current level of 3 (going on 4).
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MY CHARACTER DOESN'T CARRY A RANGED WEAPON BECAUSE.....
he graduated from the institute of meatshield barbarians
For My Elven Huntress:
...Because I have a griffon with Power Attack and Cleave.
...Because not every Elf carries a bow
*Insert Argument, But you're an Elf!*
...That's racist.
*Insert Argument, But you're a Hunter!*
...I have Outflank as my Bonus Teamwork Feat. Nothing Ranged.
For my Cleric:
...Because I can blind you by Shelyn's Divine Light from a Distance.
...I can also cast Wind wall rending your ranged attacks useless.
For my First Druid:
...Because I transform into an Air Elemental and can get to you fast.
...Because I can summon Air Elementals and other flying allies on my enemies
...I can also blind from a distance.
For My second Druid:
...Because I can just fireball them.
My Rogue actually has a shortbow.
My first time in this thread... because I only have one arm. I can't load a crossbow or firearm, and I cannot pull the string and hold the bow at the same time.
... he doesn't want to be mistaken for a girly elf
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My character is an animated snail.
Because I have Throw Anything, and thus my dwarven war axe IS a missile weapon!
Because I am an Awesome Orcish god. Never saw Conan use a damn bow.
Someone hasn't read the books.
Conan did use a bow from time to time.
If I remember correctly, he received training as a horse archer while serving in the Turanian army. He actually got mocked because of his bad archery skills initially, but that stopped because a)his archery got better with time and b)he has REALLY big fists, and was not afraid to use them.
It came up a few times later. Once, when Conan started a mercenary band, he trained his men in horse archery to distinguish them from their competitors, since horse archery was basically unheard of in the region.
It was also what inspired him to massively troll a retreating Aquilonian army. He had some of his men mount up on horses, dismount just within bow shot of the opposing army, let off a few arrows and then retreat before the Aquilonian Cavalry could annihilate them. He kept this up during their entire retreat and ended up destroying their morale and wounding the general of the opposing army.
He CERTAINLY was not dismissive of ranged weaponry. Heck, Conan was emphasized to be actually a highly competent leader in the books, despite his rather "uncivilized" ways. By the time he was doing the above he had led armies, black tribes, corsairs, mercenary companies, desert raiders and more. Conan was not just a dumb brutish ignorant barbarian.
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I usually always have a sling at least.
I can see why some players don't use it though.
-it's too expensive at least for bows and crossbows
-require too many feats to be quite good at using it. To get that extra bonus to damage I need to be within 30 feet of the target. It kinds of defeats the purpose of firing from range.
- Have specific build in mind that focuses only on melee weapons
-player preference for roleplaying reasons or simply too stubborn to take a bow.
One way I DON"T suggest DMS force the issue. Is tailoring the game to force the player to use one. Not only do you come across a dick DM. Your putting the player in a uncomfortable situation at the table. It's kind of obvious when the player who has no bow suddenly keeps getting targeted by the nocs. To the extent that they ignore bigger threats. Eventually a player adapts or he/she ends up at a disadvantage against flying opponents. If any DM would pull that kind of BS with me. I would first try to talk to him/her. If that fails leave the game. Or if it's held at my place kick the DM out. People forcing their gaming agendas either as player or DM I don't put with anymore.
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I usually always have a sling at least.
I can see why some players don't use it though.
-it's too expensive at least for bows and crossbows
-require too many feats to be quite good at using it. To get that extra bonus to damage I need to be within 30 feet of the target. It kinds of defeats the purpose of firing from range.
- Have specific build in mind that focuses only on melee weapons
-player preference for roleplaying reasons or simply too stubborn to take a bow.
One way I DON"T suggest DMS force the issue. Is tailoring the game to force the player to use one. Not only do you come across a dick DM. Your putting the player in a uncomfortable situation at the table. It's kind of obvious when the player who has no bow suddenly keeps getting targeted by the nocs. To the extent that they ignore bigger threats. Eventually a player adapts or he/she ends up at a disadvantage against flying opponents. If any DM would pull that kind of BS with me. I would first try to talk to him/her. If that fails leave the game. Or if it's held at my place kick the DM out. People forcing their gaming agendas either as player or DM I don't put with anymore.
I don't think people are talking about doing the equivalent of spamming enchantments against a low wisdom fighter.
They are talking about doing the equivalent of sometimes having encounters that might make the fighter roll a will save.
They are talking about not setting every fight in a 30ft wide room because one of the PCs refused to have *any* way of meaningfully contributing to an encounter in encounters against ranged or flying enemies.
There is a big difference between ruthlessly targeting a vulnerability and not completely avoiding that vulnerability, even if the PC in question brought it on themselves. I believe most of the people here are advocates of the latter but not the former.
...she TURNED INTO A DINOSAUR!
Linked =)
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All I'm saying is to be careful. Sometimes a player will learn from his mistakes. In this case to carry a ranged weapon. Sometimes they don't. Which is a failure on their part and not the DM. One can't force the issue. Yet one cannot cater to someone who will not learn from his mistakes either. If the same player(s) keep forgetting or ignoring to take ranged weapons. I'm not going to stop throwing opponents who can fly at them.
out of the last three times I did I started 2 wars and accidentally killed the good and righteous king allowing his evil king to take over the kingdom. (That's my story and I'm sticking to it.)
Because ranged weapons get in the way of sneak attack with a greataxe!