Sean Bean heads cast for HBO's A Game of Thrones


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I'm getting more and more tired of Tommen being a passive tool. He goes from I AM THE KING! to No I'm not Way too much. This can be put at the feet of Cersei and Twyn but I'm actually wanting JOFFERY back to deal with the Sparrows. Crazy,evil coward he was, the second anyone went for Margery he would scream 'Protect the queen!'

Cersei also is making me wonder, she has FrankenGregor and now that Jamie is back she can get the Kingsguard moving but she wants to know who
dissed her during her walk? I'm sure Qyburn could whip up a poison that makes The High Sparrow die of illness.

Plus with Arya saying that she doesn't know if Sandor is dead, to Cersei wanting trial by combat things are probably going to be Cleganebowl.


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In the books he's younger, so him being more of a puppet makes sense. But i think his actions will have too big of a ramification to change here.

He seems to be listening to everyone before making a decision here. I think they're building up to either him doing something cool or him doing something right followed by his quick death because no good deed goes unpunished in this series.


From the preview for next episode, it looks like Magery will break and confess. Depending on how much she knows of Olenna's plots she will need to be silenced right quick(Olenna doesn't want her to confess, Cersei looked to be back to her usual smug self)


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falls off the chair laughing at the rules lawyering at the beggining. Were they watching this thread?


BigNorseWolf wrote:
falls off the chair laughing at the rules lawyering at the beggining. Were they watching this thread?

To be fair the "my watch is ended" rules-lawyering" has been predicted ever since the 5th book was released. :P


So instead of Cersei having CGI nudity, it is Dany having it. Drat no nudity clause.

Course that is her right, but has she stated having such a problem with it?

Love Tourmond eying Brienne


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Did we really have a scene with two happy Stark children? I thought that was physically impossible... And in an episode without a single fight too!


No fights, but still deaths. Not that I'm surprised...

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Ser Jorah and the other guy sneaking into the city to rescue Dany had a fight or two.


Lemmy wrote:
Did we really have a scene with two happy Stark children? I thought that was physically impossible... And in an episode without a single fight too!

I'm pretty sure this is the first time we've seen Sansa be happy since the first season.


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So...

Spoiler:
Khal-B-Que?

- or -

Bar-B-Coup?

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Glad to see sansa finally be proactive and vindictive. Discount LSH is better than doormat.


Lemmy wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
falls off the chair laughing at the rules lawyering at the beggining. Were they watching this thread?
To be fair the "my watch is ended" rules-lawyering" has been predicted ever since the 5th book was released. :P

Before that, ever since stannis offered him the throne.


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So instead of Cersei having CGI nudity, it is Dany having it. Drat no nudity clause.

Nope, that was her.

Emilia Clarke: "But this is all me, all proud, all strong. I’m just feeling genuinely happy I said ‘Yes.’ That ain’t no body double!"


CapeCodRPGer wrote:
Ser Jorah and the other guy sneaking into the city to rescue Dany had a fight or two.

I suppose Jorah getting his ass kicked does technically count as a fight...

Norman Osborne wrote:
Lemmy wrote:
Did we really have a scene with two happy Stark children? I thought that was physically impossible... And in an episode without a single fight too!
I'm pretty sure this is the first time we've seen Sansa be happy since the first season.

Well, there was that time when she thought she'd marry Loras... That was 2nd~3rd season, right?


BigNorseWolf wrote:
Lemmy wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
falls off the chair laughing at the rules lawyering at the beggining. Were they watching this thread?
To be fair the "my watch is ended" rules-lawyering" has been predicted ever since the 5th book was released. :P
Before that, ever since Stannis offered him the throne.

Ah, indeed...


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BTW, I now totally ship Tourmond and Brienne. XD


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Lemmy wrote:
BTW, I now totally ship Tourmond and Brienne. XD

As soon as they showed them all at that table, I thought "I bet Tormond is thinking 'now THERES a woman!'"


Also, the thought of the giant punting Ramsey's horsemen over Winterfell was amusing as well.


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Cersei is probably going to set the Tyrells and Kevan up for the fall. Perhaps lying about Marg's Walk of Shame and provoking them into violence against the Sparrows.


MannyGoblin wrote:
Cersei is probably going to set the Tyrells and Kevan up for the fall. Perhaps lying about Marg's Walk of Shame and provoking them into violence against the Sparrows.

its a nice xanatos gambit. Win, the sparrows pay. lose, she blames everything on the tyrels.

Is it me, or was she talking to Kevin lanister as if He were mace tyrel there for a few seconds?


MannyGoblin wrote:
Cersei is probably going to set the Tyrells and Kevan up for the fall. Perhaps lying about Marg's Walk of Shame and provoking them into violence against the Sparrows.

I was thinking the same thing when I watched that scene.


Storyteller Shadow wrote:
MannyGoblin wrote:
Cersei is probably going to set the Tyrells and Kevan up for the fall. Perhaps lying about Marg's Walk of Shame and provoking them into violence against the Sparrows.
I was thinking the same thing when I watched that scene.

I just finished the episode and also thought the same thing. I'm thinking that's Kevan not Mace. O_o


From the previews at the end of the episode, it looks like there is a confrontation between Sansa and Balish. He has to have something up his sleeve to keep Jon from killing him at least.

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MannyGoblin wrote:
From the previews at the end of the episode, it looks like there is a confrontation between Sansa and Balish. He has to have something up his sleeve to keep Jon from killing him at least.

My guess would be that the wildlings and knights of the Eyrie will unite to take back winterfell. The entire time will be an uneasy alliance between Sansa and littlefinger with a really interesting outcome at the end. Maybe?


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It really bothered me that Littlefinger gave Sansa to the Boltons... Not because she suffered all those atrocities (they wouldn't be any less atrocious if they had happened to the Poole girl instead), but because it makes no sense! Why would Littlefinger give "the key to the north" to the Boltons? He isn't even their ally! He had nothing to gain from it! If he expected to use her "kidnapping" as an excuse to get the knights of the Eyrie to ride, what was his plan for when she told the truth? I suppose he could try to kill her before that happens, but he's apparently infatuated with the poor girl (and hoping to use her torule the north).


That's what I like about the show -- none of the plotlines actually make any sense anymore. So you can just turn your brain off and watch it.


If Sansa ended up all broken due to Ramsey, she would be perfect for Littlefinger to mold into his perfect wife.


She's not broken, she's pissed.


Right, but if she ended up broken like perhaps Littlefinger planned, then she would still be valuable to him.


I'm sure she still is valuable to him, regardless.
Question is, is Littlefinger still valuable to Sansa?


Kryzbyn wrote:

I'm sure she still is valuable to him, regardless.

Question is, is Littlefinger still valuable to Sansa?

With the Knights of the Vale right behind him I would say yes.

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Lemmy wrote:
It really bothered me that Littlefinger gave Sansa to the Boltons... Not because she suffered all those atrocities (they wouldn't be any less atrocious if they had happened to the Poole girl instead), but because it makes no sense! Why would Littlefinger give "the key to the north" to the Boltons? He isn't even their ally! He had nothing to gain from it! If he expected to use her "kidnapping" as an excuse to get the knights of the Eyrie to ride, what was his plan for when she told the truth? I suppose he could try to kill her before that happens, but he's apparently infatuated with the poor girl (and hoping to use her torule the north).

A friend of mine at work was trying to figure out why the Umbers would give Rickon to Ramsey and she came up with this theory.

Littlefinger went there after leaving Sansa and convinced them to do so, so that he could have a 3-way attack with the John and the Wildlings and the Umbers betraying Ramsey.
Would explain why the Umbers, who were always loyal to the Starks, and hated the Karstarks, would give up Rickon. Is also why he refused to swear the oath to Ramsey.


Baseless speculation!

Tyrion dies as a end of season climax and it is Dany that kills him. Why? Because he is negotiating with the slavers. Dany has made it clear that 'As a queen' that slavery will end and when a queen doesn't get what she wants, heads roll and people get fed to dragons. Tyrion will realize too late that despite being the 'breaker of chains', Dany is still a Targaryeon(sp) and has that taint of madness like her brother and the 'Bow or Burn' Targ way is something she very much follows.

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It'll be hard to kill him when, as her half-brother, he has a dragon just like her nephew Jon!


Lemmy wrote:
It really bothered me that Littlefinger gave Sansa to the Boltons... Not because she suffered all those atrocities (they wouldn't be any less atrocious if they had happened to the Poole girl instead)

People seem to give theon some slack for killing some OTHER 6 and 8 year old kids than bran and rickon

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but because it makes no sense! Why would Littlefinger give "the key to the north" to the Boltons? He isn't even their ally! He had nothing to gain from it! If he expected to use her "kidnapping" as an excuse to get the knights of the Eyrie to ride, what was his plan for when she told the truth?

1) Possible he expected Ramsay to have killed her by now.

2) Forgivable divergence rather than deal with the jenny poole plotline and sending the actress (who's growing along with her character) away for a few seasons.

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I suppose he could try to kill her before that happens, but he's apparently infatuated with the poor girl (and hoping to use her torule the north).

I don't think he just wants the north. I think he wants the whole 7 kingdoms and Catylin 2.0 The North +the vale gives him a good shot at that.

Though now that i think about it, if i saw the north and the vale comming down to kingslanding on my head, throwing Lorance at sansa would be a good countermeasure...


archmagi1 wrote:
It'll be hard to kill him when, as her half-brother, he has a dragon just like her nephew Jon!

Say what, now?


Rhaegar was Danaerys and Visyris (sp on both) brother. Jon Snow is Rhaegr's son with Lysanna Stark, making him Dany's nephew.
It's also thought that Tyrion was the result of Mad King Aerys and Tywin Lannister's wife having a possibly less than consensual meeting.
Which would make Tyrion her half-brother.

I dunno where the bit about Jon having a dragon came from. Unless, they figure Dany gets Drogon, and Tryion and Jon get the other two.


Kryzbyn wrote:
Rhaegar was Danaerys and Visyris (sp on both) brother.

Yes.

Kryzbyn wrote:
Jon Snow is Rhaegr's son with Lysanna Stark, making him Dany's nephew.

Yes.

Kryzbyn wrote:
It's also thought that Tyrion was the result of Mad King Aegon and Tywin Lannister's wife having a possibly less than consensual meeting. Which would make Tyrion her half-brother.

Is there any basis for believing this, or just a bunch of fans thinking it would be cool? I've been unable to find any reference to the possibility in Wiki of Ice and Fire or similar sites.


It's a hindsight kind of thing. The various comments Tywin makes about and to Tyrion, and his description in the books.
That having been said, it is a relatively recent fan theory (afaik), as far as they go, trying to rationalize why the dragons didn't incinerate him when he went to take the chains off.
Because dragons kill and eat everyone who's not a Targaryen, AMIRITE?

EDIT: I've seen threads on this theory going back to 2014, so it's not that new.


In regards to the 3 dragon comment...possibly this?

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The Tyrion Targaryen theory also ties in to the prophecy of the three-headed dragon that Daenerys hears in the House of the Undying. Some believe that the prophecy means that there will be three Targaryens who will restore order to Westeros, and that Tyrion and Jon Snow will be the two heads of the dragon alongside Daenerys.

Link: Tyrion theory


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I think Tyrion is simply right that dragons are smart enough to recognize a possible friend/ally, or at least non-threat, when they see one. Especially when the human is speaking in gentle respectful tones, is half-the-usual height, and unarmored & unarmed.

Tyrion being someone else's son totally ruins the Tywin-Tyrion dynamic. They hate(d) each other because they share so many of the same personality traits, even though they sit in completely different places on the alignment spectrum.


Ambrosia Slaad wrote:

I think Tyrion is simply right that dragons are smart enough to recognize a possible friend/ally, or at least non-threat, when they see one. Especially when the human is speaking in gentle respectful tones, is half-the-usual height, and unarmored & unarmed.

Tyrion being someone else's son totally ruins the Tywin-Tyrion dynamic. They hate(d) each other because they share so many of the same personality traits, even though they sit in completely different places on the alignment spectrum.

I agree. The "Tyrion Targaryen" theory isn't that compelling.


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As I recall, Tyrion made a major point of noting that the dragons never attacked or threatened Missandei and concluded from that fact that he would probably be safe. As far as I know, nobody has suggested that Missandei is a Targaryen.

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The Tyrion Targ theory is mostly his book appearance (nearly white hair, one of his eyes is Targaryen colored) with some inferred conjecture, spurred on by "You are NO son of mine" *thump* death of Tywin. The dragons are the whole three headed thing that Kyrzbyn mentioned, and there are conveniently three surviving Targaryens if Jon and Tyrion are both Targ bastards.

My whole fantheory is that Tyrion is gonna be claimed by one of the two little dragons to follow his little half-sister into battle against the West. And when they get over there, Jon will be claimed by the third. Then they'll ride off into the happy blood drenched sunset.


Kryzbyn wrote:
Link: Tyrion theory

Link says "After he tamed Daenerys’ dragons on last night’s “Game of Thrones,” a theory emerges that Tyrion is actually Daenerys’ brother..."

B%%$!*, please. Tyrion didn't tame anyone, he just avoided being eaten long enough to remove the chains. He wisely didn't hang around afterward. I'm going to agree with the Slaad that this interaction can be attributed to dragon intelligence, and perhaps curiosity, momentarily trumping ill temper and hunger.

*Not directed at Kryzbyn.


The Tyrion Targaryen theory is also supported by the fact that The Mad King took unspecified "liberties" with Joanna Lannister on her bedding ritual.

But, yeah... It's a pretty weak theory and IMO ruins the whole Tywin/Tyrion dynamic.


Plus, dragons are like cats. Just because they haven't eaten you (Tyrion) yet doesn't mean they aren't always thinking about it.


well...I don't think they have remotely set up the Tyrion is a Targ theory on the show. It's a theory grounded in the book, and at this late a stage we can't take anything based on book info and assume it will prove a point in the show.


Also "i was lied to my entire life about my parentage" rings hollow when its followed by "me too!"

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