Sean Bean heads cast for HBO's A Game of Thrones


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MannyGoblin wrote:


Dany showing up in the last 5 minutes was empty as well, she is pretty annoying and smug lately and makes me suspect there is this 'Dany must appear in every episode' thing in her contract.(Something that really speaks against Clarke's acting skills is that supposedly her performance in the new Terminator movie was so disappointing that she isn't being invited back to Hollywood)

It has nothing to do with her contract, it has to do with the opening credits. The opening animation always reflects where the scenes in the episodes are and one of the things they want to emphasis is the scope and size of the world as a whole, that it's more than just Westeros. So, to have the animation sweep across the other continent, every episode includes Dany (or someone else in Slaver's Bay).


GRRM made a point of adding a whole continent and giving us little to no information on it just so we get how little the Westerosi know about the world. :P


Irontruth wrote:
The opening animation always reflects where the scenes in the episodes are

Except the opening credit sequence doesn't have anything to do with the locations shown in that exact episode. Otherwise the credits for "The Watchers on the Wall" would have been pretty bland.

The show does have a tenancy to end almost every episode either focused on Danny or Arya...the two characters who I'm most bored with.


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Irontruth wrote:
The opening animation always reflects where the scenes in the episodes are

Except the opening credit sequence doesn't have anything to do with the locations shown in that exact episode. Otherwise the credits for "The Watchers on the Wall" would have been pretty bland.

The show does have a tenancy to end almost every episode either focused on Danny or Arya...the two characters who I'm most bored with.

It reflects more the whole season than the episode, actually...

Arya's been quite boring in this season... Last episode was the first one that made me have any interest on what she might do next.


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The credits do change slightly from episode to episode, but there do seem to be a few rules.

Regardless of where they go on the show, the locations shown always include King's Landing, Winterfell, the Wall, and Dany's current location (or an approximation thereof). They never show any location north of the Wall regardless of how much of the action takes place there. They do sometimes omit other important locations -- for example, the most recent episode omitted the Frey castle and the Tarly estate, even though both were key locations for that episode.

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Kryzbyn wrote:
Thing is, Sam is a fighter. He just needs motivation. His dad being a c%&* to him and his lady was enough.

All true, however, he has put Gilly and the baby in terrible danger by taking that sword. Seriously, pop Tarly wouldn't care at all to wake in the morning and see the wildlings and son gone. Now that his sword is gone too? He will have a reason to gut Sam and his wildling GF :( Also, what is he going to do quit the nightswatch? He is quickly running out of options and no amount of motivation to be a real fighter will save his bacon.


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That bothered me too. Sam's supposed to be smart.

Sam can't even wield that sword... He doesn't even like swords. There's no reason to take it. At all. All he did was endanger the two people he's trying to protect.

It's not quite at the level of nonsensical idiocy as Littlefinger delivering Sansa to the Boltons, but it did make me roll my eyes.

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I think the reason Sam took the sword is its varliayan steel, and that kills white walkers.


@CapeCodRPGer Did he ever make that connection in GoT? I know he does in the novels but I cannot recall if he does in the show. I know he makes the "Obsidian kills WW" connection in GoT.


CapeCodRPGer wrote:

I think the reason Sam took the sword is its varliayan steel, and that kills white walkers.

That would make sense, but does TV show sam know this?


Sam is going to kite pop Tarly and his forces to the Wall to fight the Night's King.

Saw a post that brought up a good point. Not only has Arya been tested by the FM, but the Waif as well. The Waif wears the 'student clothes' and has been quite fixated on punishing Arya.


Lemmy wrote:
Norman Osborne wrote:
Irontruth wrote:
The opening animation always reflects where the scenes in the episodes are

Except the opening credit sequence doesn't have anything to do with the locations shown in that exact episode. Otherwise the credits for "The Watchers on the Wall" would have been pretty bland.

The show does have a tenancy to end almost every episode either focused on Danny or Arya...the two characters who I'm most bored with.

It reflects more the whole season than the episode, actually...

Arya's been quite boring in this season... Last episode was the first one that made me have any interest on what she might do next.

Yup, it's kind of a mix, it doesn't show every location, usually just the most prominent (geographically, not story) location in the region where action is taking place. It always shows King's Landing, Winterfell, the Wall and wherever Dany is. Other locations change depending on the episode though, like the Iron Islands drops in an out.

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Even if Sam knows the blade is good against white walkers what will he do with it? Hide it in his dorm room? Give up on becoming a maseter and race back to castle black? That would be nearly impossible with everything going on and his angry father on his heels. He would know this. Some pretty bad writing this season with this near the top.


MannyGoblin wrote:

Sam is going to kite pop Tarly and his forces to the Wall to fight the Night's King.

Saw a post that brought up a good point. Not only has Arya been tested by the FM, but the Waif as well. The Waif wears the 'student clothes' and has been quite fixated on punishing Arya.

he said the many faced god would have a life

He didn't say it would be the actress

He didn't say it would be arya either...


So any chance they're going to drop the book the day before episode 9 so all the book readers can try to find out what happens ?


BigNorseWolf wrote:
So any chance they're going to drop the book the day before episode 9 so all the book readers can try to find out what happens ?

Maybe before episode 9 of the 7th season... Of Rick and Morty.

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Yeah wed be lucky to get winds before got just ends. Martin has no real fan investiture now that the cliffhanger from dance is pretty much completely spilled. He will continue on his frentic pace of 2 sample chapters per year for another year and a half, then as half the book is online he will turn it in for editing and a year later (2019 at this point) we will get half of it bc he pulled a feast for crows and turned in 2500 pages.

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Addendum: mind you in the same timeframe well get two more stormlight books and a few more sanderson cosmere works...


Well... Unless he plans to live to 150, I don't think he has that many books in him.

Kinda sad, really. 2nd and 3rd books came out really fast, just 2 years apart... Then books 4, 5 and 6... GRRM got slow. I think he had a clear vision for the story but allowed it to get more and more convoluted and eventually got lost... Now he has to fight his own story just to finish it. :/


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BigNorseWolf wrote:
CapeCodRPGer wrote:

I think the reason Sam took the sword is its varliayan steel, and that kills white walkers.

That would make sense, but does TV show sam know this?

Didn't Jon Snow kill a white walker with his Valyrian steel sword before he sent Sam to Oldtown?


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BigNorseWolf wrote:
CapeCodRPGer wrote:
I think the reason Sam took the sword is its varliayan steel, and that kills white walkers.
That would make sense, but does TV show sam know this?
Didn't Jon Snow kill a white walker with his Valyrian steel sword before he sent Sam to Oldtown?

Did he tell Sam about his?

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Jon killed the wight in book 1 with longclaw. Book Jon didn't goto Hardhome where tv Jon found out Valyrian kills WWs. I would have to rewatch last season, but I think Sam and Golly left before Hardhome, right after Aemon died.

So show Sam shouldn't know about Valyrian unless he conjectured it in season 4 or 5 in the library like he did in the books.


Didn't he kill the wight with fire?

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Yeah, now that I think of it, a tapestry or something. So down to just some exposition conjecture in season 4 or 5 then.


I had a theory that was dashed by events last episode.

Spoiler:
Arya kills Jon Snow (specifically I'm calling it for the second to last episode in season 7).

My theory is most surrounding literary relevance. If Arya stays with the Faceless Men, the past season she's basically been having it beaten out of her who she is. Of course she hasn't forgotten, but from a story telling standpoint, if we're going to focus soooooo hard on her having to remember/forget her past, then her past must therefore be relevant to the events in her future.

Within the fiction it makes sense that they're constantly testing her obedience. You don't serve your own desires within the FM, you serve the many-faced god. From a character arc though, this only matters if it culminates in some way that truly tests her obedience.

Combine this with the fact that Jon Snow (through no fault of his own) has cheated the many-faced god, perhaps once R+L=J is revealed someone decides to remove him from the equation and he's a prime target. It's also particularly poignant and tragic when you consider how kind Jon was towards Arya (he gave her Needle). It's also a common story theme, that a great leader brings his people to paradise/salvation, but cannot join them (Moses is the archetype, but it's common in American history/story-telling).

Second place would be Sansa (Cersei pays to have her killed), third place would be Bran (just harder to imagine the circumstances right now, but it's very possible).

That's my theory, I don't think it's completely ruined, but it's looking less likely now.


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In the TV series, Sam asks Jon to go to Oldtown. During that same episode, Jon is lamenting losing the dragonglass, but then they discuss how longclaw shattered a white walker, so yes, TV show same knows,


Hmmm... Not sure about Arya getting chumped like that. She knows about the face shifting and how the Faceless are after her.

Sansa sees macho men are going to get them all killed, but who is the letter going to? Might be Littlefinger.

Well we will hopefully be getting Sparrow smashing by The Mountain next episode.

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So over on another forum I go to that I won't name, I posted about something that I saw in the trailer for next weeks episode after the trailer was aired.

That resulted in a thread ban for me. All I said was who one character was with in the trailer. I did'nt say anything about the circumstances of the scene. So I get screwed. Very nice of them. I thought once something airs it's pretty much public knowledge.


Its kind of a win win for cersei.

Greggor storms in, rescues Laurence, the queen owes her a favor.

Greggor storms in, faith militant kills Laurence, she hurts the Tyrels and isn't legally responsible. (not that that will matter to the queen of thorns)

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Cape cod, can I ask who you saw? I didn't catch anything spoilery in the preview. Not LSH, unless that was who Jaime was talking to in a brienne switcheroo. Pod, lancel, brienne, tyrion, acrobat arya. I know I could have missed someone, so a keen eye would be appreciated.

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Rampant speculation

Spoiler:
With hound headed to kill brotherhood, it's a total LSH reveal at the end of 10. Zombie Cat will make him a true believer or he will kill em all. So I'm totally now calling cleganebowl 2016 never happening, and if it does it won't be in the context of cersei's trial like everyone thought.


CapeCodRPGer wrote:

So over on another forum I go to that I won't name, I posted about something that I saw in the trailer for next weeks episode after the trailer was aired.

That resulted in a thread ban for me. All I said was who one character was with in the trailer. I did'nt say anything about the circumstances of the scene. So I get screwed. Very nice of them. I thought once something airs it's pretty much public knowledge.

Do they catch rpgs with nets?

If Sansa does contact Littlefinger, then having her trying to explain to Jon why she gave up a bunch of men is going to be interesting.

I suspect Davos wandering around the camp as shown in the season teaser will happen soon and may very well be a climatic event.


Spoiler:

It's great to see Sandor back... Although his scenes were frustratingly predictable. Funny how he heard that one scream... But didn't hear any part of the massacre taking place before that. -.-'

Jamie vs Blackfish was pretty cool. I'm disappointed that him and Cersei are still so close. In the books their relationship gets much colder after Tyrion tells Jaime of Cersei's unfaithfulness... Well... Le's see how that goes.

Arya acted really dumb. Didn't she know the faceless men would be after her? And how did she survive that stabbing? Anyway... I'm hoping she gets to kill the waif before leaving the Braavos.

I was expecting Jon to show Longclaw to the Mormonts. BTW, why didn't he and Sansa repeat the "living vs dead" speech to the Glover house? And Sansa talking s!$% about Davos was annoying. She knows f*@@-nothing about war. Who's she to say anything? And what does her whining achieve?

Lastly... I'm sad we didn't get to see more Tormund and Brienne. XD

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Oh yes, in a show in which I'm already at the edge of my seat as to what's going on with the dozen or characters already hip-deep in the story, let's bring back some guy who I thought died and spend half an episode watching him chop wood.

Argh! This show is like an addiction. It makes me suffer, but I can't put down the crack-pipe.

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archmagi1 wrote:
Cape cod, can I ask who you saw? I didn't catch anything spoilery in the preview. Not LSH, unless that was who Jaime was talking to in a brienne switcheroo. Pod, lancel, brienne, tyrion, acrobat arya. I know I could have missed someone, so a keen eye would be appreciated.

In the thread over there there was specualtion about Brienne joining back up with Jon and Sansa to fight in the battle for Winterfell. But she was shown in the trailer to be where Jamie was.

All I said was that we now know Brienne isn'tt going to to be with Sansa because she was shown with Jamie in the next episode trailer. Thats it, nothing about what they said to each other or anything.

It was'nt like i said a character thought dead was coming back, at this point we know both are alive.

I get a thread ban for that? I can understand if I said something about a plot point but thats crazy IMO. The trailer was publicly aired before I posted so anyone can see it.

The trailer also showed Tyrion. If I mentioned He was shown in the trailer would have gotten a ban as well?

Sorry for the rant but I'm pretty upset about this. I feel this was way too much.

I'm not going to name the fourm.

EDIT: at first it was just a ban on those threads. But I just tried to go back there and I now have a 24 hour ban from the site because I PMed the admin the put the ban on me to ask him about it. I also did email the admins for the appeal process.

So I ask a admin about my issue and I got banned for that too? I guess there is a rule you can't PM admins to deal with issues.

The all mighty admins there are always right there no matter what it seems.


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The golden b$@+&slap made the episode for me. At this point, the entire series could end with Dani falling off Drogon and drowning in the Narrow Sea on her way back to reconquer the Seven Kingdoms, and I'd say, "Well, they got one thing right."


Hitdice wrote:

The golden b$%+*slap made the episode for me. At this point, the entire series could end with Dani falling off Drogon and drowning in the Narrow Sea on her way back to reconquer the Seven Kingdoms, and I'd say, "Well, they got one thing right."

Two things, they'd also have the location of the Narrow Sea correctly placed.


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BigNorseWolf wrote:

Its kind of a win win for cersei.

Greggor storms in, rescues Laurence, the queen owes her a favor.

Greggor storms in, faith militant kills Laurence, she hurts the Tyrels and isn't legally responsible. (not that that will matter to the queen of thorns)

Loras?


Sansa has Brienne take the note to Blackfish?


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I'm guessing Sandor fights the Mountain and loses... But in battle he removes the mountain's helmet and reveals what abomination he's become. Causing some the smallfolk and some powerful people to revolt... After all, what kind of king allows such an horror in their King's Guard?


It'd be amazing if what happened to Frakengregor is that he was turned into a white walker...that somehow Qyburn figured out how to do that.


Jacquen told the waif not to have her suffer, and she went for a gut shot (THE most painful way to die, slowly) I don't think thats going to bode well for HER test.


I am looking forward to Frankengregor ripping the wings off of some sparrows...


Kryzbyn wrote:
It'd be amazing if what happened to Frakengregor is that he was turned into a white walker...that somehow Qyburn figured out how to do that.

It doesn't display any of the characteristics of the White Walkers other than not talking, though... We can even see its non-blue eyes through the slit of its armor in the series. And in the books, there's nothing undead about the WW (as far as we know). Their ghoulish appearance is show-only.

Also, it's much cooler if he's a different sort of horror.


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Kryzbyn wrote:
I am looking forward to Frankengregor ripping the wings off of some sparrows...

I want to see Sandor going full John Wick on the Brotherhood! XD


Kryzbyn wrote:
Sansa has Brienne take the note to Blackfish?

Well Sansa sent her to ask the Blackfish (not knowing it was under siege) for assistance and Riverrun is under siege by Jamie so I assume that is why they will be meeting again.


Wouldn't it be funny it Tommen died by the hands of "Robert Strong"?

Maybe he loses patience with Cersei after she offends Margaery, the faith and/or the High Sparrow, then hits her... Prompting "Robert Strong" to retaliate... With the full strength of an undead mountain. Then Jaime hears about this and kills her, fulfilling Maggy's prophecy.


Blackfish marching north is a win win for tully/ Jamie.

Blackfish surrendering the castle would cost him his honor. Going to defend his grandniece (and taking his army with him) Would not. Jamie couldn't care less if the boltons or starks rule the north , and he gets the castle he was ordered to take.


Irontruth wrote:
Lemmy wrote:
Norman Osborne wrote:
Irontruth wrote:
The opening animation always reflects where the scenes in the episodes are

Except the opening credit sequence doesn't have anything to do with the locations shown in that exact episode. Otherwise the credits for "The Watchers on the Wall" would have been pretty bland.

The show does have a tenancy to end almost every episode either focused on Danny or Arya...the two characters who I'm most bored with.

It reflects more the whole season than the episode, actually...

Arya's been quite boring in this season... Last episode was the first one that made me have any interest on what she might do next.

Yup, it's kind of a mix, it doesn't show every location, usually just the most prominent (geographically, not story) location in the region where action is taking place. It always shows King's Landing, Winterfell, the Wall and wherever Dany is. Other locations change depending on the episode though, like the Iron Islands drops in an out.

Don't think they've shown Vaes Dothrak in the opening credits since season 1...

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Jacquen told the waif not to have her suffer, and she went for a gut shot (THE most painful way to die, slowly) I don't think thats going to bode well for HER test.

Yeah, 'the waif' has displayed all kinds of issues which would seem to make her just as unqualified as Arya for the sort of abrogation of self which they are supposed to be aiming for. Seems clear that she is being set up for a fall, but I don't see how that would make Arya any less a failure (from the religion's PoV) as well.

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