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Dare I hope for the glorious return of Wyvarans (Winged Kobolds)?
I have a mighty draconic need for this and what are those 2 dragons?
One is a requiem dragon. The other is... well, I think I'll wait on sharing that one for a little bit yet. :)
Luis you are such a tease and I love it!
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Well... with Dragonkin from Starfinder in at Large, Dragonbloods being able to niche into medium, Kobolds being Small, I wonder if Dragonets will be Tiny to round out the size categories.
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Well... with Dragonkin from Starfinder in at Large, Dragonbloods being able to niche into medium, Kobolds being Small, I wonder if Dragonets will be Tiny to round out the size categories.
Given we do have a fey dragonet as the 2e version of the faerie dragon, I imagine the dragonet may be expanded out to a full category to include the smallest of dragonkind, like Korvosa's house drakes or the tidepool dragon. It'd definitely be interesting (and cute) if that was the case. "No more of this familiar nonsense, we're PCs now!" >:3
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Well... with Dragonkin from Starfinder in at Large, Dragonbloods being able to niche into medium, Kobolds being Small, I wonder if Dragonets will be Tiny to round out the size categories.Given we do have a fey dragonet as the 2e version of the faerie dragon, I imagine the dragonet may be expanded out to a full category to include the smallest of dragonkind, like Korvosa's house drakes or the tidepool dragon. It'd definitely be interesting (and cute) if that was the case. "No more of this familiar nonsense, we're PCs now!" >:3
FINALLY, they can join the Poppet, Awakened Animal, and Sprite ancestries to round out my "All Former Familiars" Campaign.
If one of them is a Requiem Dragon, I'd wager it's probably the white-scaled one? Mostly because it reminds me a little of the Crypt Dragon design. That at the other one doesn't look very requiem-y, if that makes sense. Now, on what the other could be;
It almost looks like a Ravener, or an ooze with a dragon inside. Gives a bit of a swamp feel, you know? At least that's the feeling I'm getting from the exposed ribs, tattered wings, and that dripping liquid. If it's a familiar face and not a new one, I'd say it's either of:
-a Bog Dragon, bit of a revamp of what Black Dragons used to be. Almost looks like a body you'd find submerged in a bog.
-an Apocalypse Dragon, a dragon tied to Abaddon, which is a big swamp, and is said to have its body twisted by necrosis.
Imrik approves of this book. In fact, he demands pin-ups! For, uh, educational purposes.
Wonderful news!!
-an Apocalypse Dragon, a dragon tied to Abaddon, which is a big swamp, and is said to have its body twisted by necrosis.I'd wager probably this one, as they're fighting over a vast cemetery, which to me suggests they're in the Boneyard.
Oh that would be so nice, I hope that be true. Would be nice to see some more of the 1E dragons returning.
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224 pages of draconic content? Here I have a new reason for staying healthy. I have been waiting for this book for so long...
I'm a really big fan of Pathfinder dragons, specially the Primal, the Imperial, the Outer and the Planar dragons. I was hoping for a book that could finally bring them back, but I'm even happier if we are getting new ones! Maybe, as some have suggested, there could even be new takes on these thematics, just as what was done with the diabolical and the empyreal dragons.
I have two questions about this: "Statistics for over 20 types of dragons, including expansions on the dragons found in Monster Core and Monster Core 2!"
20 types of dragons. Should we assume they are all traditional/magical dragons?
We have 16 dragons in the Monster Core books, so the great majority of the 20 dragons here are going to be the ones we already got, or the expanded information for them is an additional content?
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Statistics for over 20 types of dragons, including expansions on the dragons found in Monster Core and Monster Core 2!
Here's hoping that those expansions are IN ADDITION of the "20 types of dragons".
Dragonet ancestry for mini dragon play!
Dragonet could also be smaller dragons in contrast to traditional ones, meaning they could be medium "humanoide" dragons.
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Dragonet could also be smaller dragons in contrast to traditional ones, meaning they could be medium "humanoide" dragons.
That would be the Wyvarans from P1E.
The Dragonblood heritage can be for any ancestry, regardless of size :)
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Statistics for over 20 types of dragons, including expansions on the dragons found in Monster Core and Monster Core 2!Here's hoping that those expansions are IN ADDITION of the "20 types of dragons".
... I have some bad news about what "including" means. But also, some good news about "over", I guess?
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[https://www.wargamer.com/pathfinder/draconic-codex-monster-core-2]
For those interested in a little sneak peak.
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`Nine draconic deities` - I wonder if this is including Apsu and Dahak in the counts.
Sorry that the link i posted isn't posted correctly. Shared from my phone and it hates me.
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`Nine draconic deities` - I wonder if this is including Apsu and Dahak in the counts.
I believe that the nine Draconic Deities will be Apsu and his mate, Sarshallatu. And their 7 children, Dahak and the 6 others.
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`Nine draconic deities` - I wonder if this is including Apsu and Dahak in the counts.I believe that the nine Draconic Deities will be Apsu and his mate, Sarshallatu. And their 7 children, Dahak and the 6 others.
I still dont get why the decision was made to change it from Tiamat, they had a very mythologically-rooted take on her without any real influence from D&D's version. Feels weird to have Apsu without Tiamat, really.
I still dont get why the decision was made to change it from Tiamat, they had a very mythologically-rooted take on her without any real influence from D&D's version. Feels weird to have Apsu without Tiamat, really.
I might be misremembering, but I don't think Tiamat was ever intended to be the uber-evil dragon goddess for Pathfinder. She's been mentioned once or twice in the early material before the lore was well and truly settled with the Apsu/Dahak dynamic.
Again, I might be misrememering. If so, I'm curious to learn which memos I've missed.
The thing about Tiamat is that, while it is indeed the name of a Real World mythological entity, Tiamat will forever be fully linked with the five-headed chromatic dragon goddess of D&D fame in the mindscape of the TTRPG community. She's a D&Dism.
That said, in Heinelarion Tiamat is very much the evil dragon goddess, official lore notwithstanding.
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Tiamat's image as a 5-headed dragon is WotC's property. The real Tiamat is a Babylonian humanoid goddess who has been mistaken for a "mother of monsters" and a sea serpent. It's like how Bahamut is depicted as a dragon in D&D and Final Fantasy, when it's actually a giant fish :p
Since we got Egyptian gods as "Ancient Orision deities", I could see the Babylonian pantheon also being "Ancient [insert region here]", Tiamat included, just like Chinese and Japanese deities, being actually in Tian Xia.
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Just doing "Tiamat is associated with dragons in particular" was already too close to D&D for comfort- that was dropped part way through PF1, so it definitely doesn't pass the more rigorous standards of post-OGL.
Tiamat's image as a 5-headed dragon is WotC's property. The real Tiamat is a Babylonian humanoid goddess who has been mistaken for a "mother of monsters" and a sea serpent. It's like how Bahamut is depicted as a dragon in D&D and Final Fantasy, when it's actually a giant fish :p
Since we got Egyptian gods as "Ancient Orision deities", I could see the Babylonian pantheon also being "Ancient [insert region here]", Tiamat included, just like Chinese and Japanese deities, being actually in Tian Xia.
Apsu himself was based on a real mythological figure, and he is also the counterpart of the Sumerian goddess Tiamat. Even their old reticoned lore, in which they were described as bodies of water, fresh and salt, comes from the Sumerian gods of same name... So I do get your point.
But...
Imagine if Pepsi used a polar bear as their mascot. Even though the polar bear is just an animal, it is also commonly associated with Coca-Cola.
`Nine draconic deities` - I wonder if this is including Apsu and Dahak in the counts.
I would aguess that Sarshallatu, Garhaazh and Otilaz are also among those nine deities.
There's also Shizuru, Susumu and Nanbyo were also supposed to be dragons. Shizuru actually has some depictions in her draconic form. Yet these gods are more commonly associated with the humanoid inhabitants and Tian Xia itself. They might get mentioned, at least.
[https://www.wargamer.com/pathfinder/draconic-codex-monster-core-2]
For those interested in a little sneak peak.
Thanks for sharing!
This confirms the dragonets as tiny (or small in a particular heritage).
And look at this awesome cinder archdragon. Might that one be the sixth king of the Five Kings Mountain?
Ancestry and heritage options to play a draconic character of your own, from expansions to the dragonblood and kobold to a brand-new dragonet ancestry!
Don't want to sound awkward but... what says that the dragonet is the only ancestry presented :p ?
I could see the Wyvaran being added, considering that if Paizo sticks to its own lore, they are still kobold experiments, and kobolds will get new options.
Really interested in this primarily due to a kingmaker character who was following the Draconic Druid 1e inspiration and we can adapt some of this potentially. Any odds of ensuring this stuff will be added as compendium data for roll20/foundry, even as an addon?
Really interested in this primarily due to a kingmaker character who was following the Draconic Druid 1e inspiration and we can adapt some of this potentially. Any odds of ensuring this stuff will be added as compendium data for roll20/foundry, even as an addon?
The Foundry PF2e system isn't maintained by Paizo but they also add everything pretty much religiously, so you should be good on that front.