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No!
Not Goldern Roads and no Arcadia
I DEMAND DROON!
Enough hints and minor comments! I WANT MY DINOSAUR BUILT IRUXI EMPIRE AND I WANT IT NOW!
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It's on this same premise that I tend to argue Cheliax is Habsburg Spain (plus Hellknights loosely filling the role of the Inquisition). But does that make Ravounel out to be Portugal post-Restoration, or the Netherlands post-80 Years' War? My instinct is the latter, with Isger as a Portugal equivalent instead, But Nidal being the 'Nether'lands does have a certain rationale to it.Structurally I think Taldor definitely remains Byzantium (western reach of a once sprawling empire) with the exception that it retains its former capital, but is *aesthetically* Camelot (specifically typical fantasy conception of it, shining knights etc.). Which is an interesting line to walk.Eastern core, but yes, where culture fails to make analogues we can always fall back on geography.
Which is why Andoran is a hypothetical Mazzinian Italy no matter how much they dress up in tricorns and regimental coats a la the Continental Army. Besides, it's not like early-to-mid nineteenth century military dress was all that different to late eighteenth century military dress.
I tend to think of Magnimar and Korvosa as the low countries (indepentist and republican Magnimar taking the role of, say, Holland while loyalist and monarchical Korvosa takes that of, say, Brabant), with Nidal as Navarre-cum-the-Basque-Country. Which by process of elimination leaves Portugal for Ravounel.
Isger can be Milan or Naples or something.
Interesting hearing about all this. Magnimar and the west coast of Varisia is very much inspired (and in my head stands in for) the northern coast of California, with Ravounel/Kintargo being San Francisco.
Huh. I really never thought of that part of Golarion being inspired by a region in the US. Geographically I would have thought that Varisia would have to be France in some way, since Cheliax so obviously is inspired by Spain with its inquisitions and such.
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Interesting hearing about all this. Magnimar and the west coast of Varisia is very much inspired (and in my head stands in for) the northern coast of California, with Ravounel/Kintargo being San Francisco.Huh. I really never thought of that part of Golarion being inspired by a region in the US. Geographically I would have thought that Varisia would have to be France in some way, since Cheliax so obviously is inspired by Spain with its inquisitions and such.
Sandpoint is directly inspired by my California home town of Point Arena (to the extent that the location's original name, translated from spanish, meant "sandpoint" or, more accurately, "point bar of sand" or the like). And the Lost Coast of Varisia gets its name from that same region of coastline that extended north from my home town along California's coast.
Write what you know, they say. In those early days of Pathfinder, when I was creating Varisia and the locations that featured in Rise of the Runelords so I could help guide the authors who followed Burnt Offerings, Northern California (and to a lesser extent the Pacific Northwest) was the primary geographical inspiration.
That all said, for much of Golarion we DIDN'T try to simply translate real-world histories into obvious analogs. We did it here and there, but for the most part we embraced the fun and imaginative challenge of mixing and matching. Over the next nearly two decades, things have started to coalesce more toward that sort of design philosophy as attempts to be more inclusive have grown.
But I can confirm that Varisia is very much inspired by California and the Pacific Northwest.
(Cheliax, for what THAT'S worth, is inspired more by humanity's propensity to be awful and cruel, NOT by a specific nation. I'm pretty uncomfortable with being on board with the idea that our devil-worshiping "bad guy" nation of villains is meant to stand in for a specific nation.)
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This is all just for fun of course, no one is trying to insist on strict equivalencies where there are none. I would never imply the (inbred, venal conqueror) Habsburgs were satanists.
I do, as a San Franciscan, find it supremely amusing that the most classically D&D "Points of Light" region of the setting--haphazard odd-ball city-states separated by miles of intermittently lush and barren deadly wilderness--is actually a case of "No, that's just what NorCal is like."
Interesting hearing about all this. Magnimar and the west coast of Varisia is very much inspired (and in my head stands in for) the northern coast of California, with Ravounel/Kintargo being San Francisco.Huh. I really never thought of that part of Golarion being inspired by a region in the US. Geographically I would have thought that Varisia would have to be France in some way, since Cheliax so obviously is inspired by Spain with its inquisitions and such.Sandpoint is directly inspired by my California home town of Point Arena (to the extent that the location's original name, translated from spanish, meant "sandpoint" or, more accurately, "point bar of sand" or the like). And the Lost Coast of Varisia gets its name from that same region of coastline that extended north from my home town along California's coast.
Write what you know, they say. In those early days of Pathfinder, when I was creating Varisia and the locations that featured in Rise of the Runelords so I could help guide the authors who followed Burnt Offerings, Northern California (and to a lesser extent the Pacific Northwest) was the primary geographical inspiration.
That all said, for much of Golarion we DIDN'T try to simply translate real-world histories into obvious analogs. We did it here and there, but for the most part we embraced the fun and imaginative challenge of mixing and matching. Over the next nearly two decades, things have started to coalesce more toward that sort of design philosophy as attempts to be more inclusive have grown.
But I can confirm that Varisia is very much inspired by California and the Pacific Northwest.
(Cheliax, for what THAT'S worth, is inspired more by humanity's propensity to be awful and cruel, NOT by a specific nation. I'm pretty uncomfortable with being on board with the idea that our devil-worshiping "bad guy" nation of villains is meant to stand in for a specific nation.)
Well... (looks at Osirion). Didn't work everywhere with the general stand-in. ;) In any case, thank you for the detailed explanation. Always fascinating to get a look behind the scenes to how the setting came to be. Maybe that should be its own book today, or some official YouTube documentary.
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Well... (looks at Osirion). Didn't work everywhere with the general stand-in. ;) In any case, thank you for the detailed explanation. Always fascinating to get a look behind the scenes to how the setting came to be. Maybe that should be its own book today, or some official YouTube documentary.
Today? Talk about a quick turnaround...
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Well... (looks at Osirion). Didn't work everywhere with the general stand-in. ;) In any case, thank you for the detailed explanation. Always fascinating to get a look behind the scenes to how the setting came to be. Maybe that should be its own book today, or some official YouTube documentary.
Hence why I said "for much of Golarion." And also why I said "We did it here and there, but..."
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Well... (looks at Osirion). Didn't work everywhere with the general stand-in. ;) In any case, thank you for the detailed explanation. Always fascinating to get a look behind the scenes to how the setting came to be. Maybe that should be its own book today, or some official YouTube documentary.Today? Talk about a quick turnaround...
Autocorrect, I was typing this on the phone and for some reason it turned "some day" into "today". Although I'd really like to have this today. :p
Any new or ported ancestries for this region of the world? Or heritages? Maybe some more diversity within Kyonin for elves?
Any new or ported ancestries for this region of the world? Or heritages? Maybe some more diversity within Kyonin for elves?
What kind of diversity are you looking for? PF2's been pretty good about presenting a mix of elven ethnicities.
Hooray
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Maybe a Monster Core 2Dragon book, maybe?Luis Loza confirmed in today's Paizo LIVE! that the dragon on the cover is in fact a Cinder Dragon. And as his spoiler for the segment, he's said that we'll get stats for the Cinder Dragon before the end of 2025!
(So, likely, stats for the Cinder Dragon won't be in *this* book, but in a future book to come out in 2025).
Turns out, you are likely correct! There's references to a "Monster Core 2" in Guns & Gears Remastered, referring to a clockwork spy in two different spots in the book. The clockwork spy was previously published in Bestiary 3, so it's definitely a stealth confirmation!
Excited to see more about Kyonin, I’m currently working on first edition campaign in that area I could use more info, Can’t wait!
So excited to see things about the elves. I wonder if dwarven and elven knighthoods will be explored here?
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I'm so happy to see the "meat and potatoes" of classic fantasy tabletop RPG's return to Paizo.
I'm by no means complaining about the diversity we've seen, but it's definitely felt like the core of Pathfinder has been lacking for a little while.
The weirdest part of having joined the Pathfinder player base after 2019 is that to me, Garund is the meat and potatoes of Golarion. Like, i've been playing in Garund since early 2021, first with the Slithering, then with Strength of Thousands, and now Outlaws of Alkenstar. The only adventures I've ran outside Garund were half of Extinction Curse and the Fall of Plaguestone.
I'm very curious to see what the rest of Golarion has to offer tbh.
I don't believe it's even been hinted at but I do hope we get some Rondelero support in here. Not sure what that looks like exactly besides Falcata access and buckler support - maybe a Swashbuckler class archetype that leans into a non-finesse weapon if not new Fighter feats.
When will the actual cover be revealed?
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Gotta love a picture of everyone's favorite Golarion dragon, Daralathyxl!
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I am looking forward to this!
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The recently spoiled by Barnes and Noble Lost Omens: Draconic Codex likly will be were we see the cinder dragons stated out.
The recently spoiled by Barnes and Noble Lost Omens: Draconic Codex likly will be were we see the cinder dragons stated out.
*goes to website*
*reads description*
Yes. YES. YES! (And don't think I didn't catch that other spoiler)
The recently spoiled by Barnes and Noble Lost Omens: Draconic Codex likly will be were we see the cinder dragons stated out.
Actually, cinder dragons were mentioned as being in Monster Core 2 in the Barnes & Noble leak for that product. But there will certainly be cinderific options in Draconic Codex.
After looking at the page count and physical price points for the last Lost Omens book to come out in the same 'line', the "Tian Xia World Guide", and then doing some overly-simplistic math that didn't consider various other factors that go into publishing a physical book (because I don't know and don't really work in that industry), as well as comparing the price point and page count of forthcoming "Battlecry!", I am guessing that the page count for this book will be just over 200 pages or thereabouts.
I am certain factors such as how much art went into this book, the wordcount, which printer did the printing, tariffs, quality and cost of materials, and other things I am sure I don't know about.
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After looking at the page count and physical price points for the last Lost Omens book to come out in the same 'line', the "Tian Xia World Guide", and then doing some overly-simplistic math that didn't consider various other factors that go into publishing a physical book (because I don't know and don't really work in that industry), as well as comparing the price point and page count of forthcoming "Battlecry!", I am guessing that the page count for this book will be just over 200 pages or thereabouts.
I am certain factors such as how much art went into this book, the wordcount, which printer did the printing, tariffs, quality and cost of materials, and other things I am sure I don't know about.
Close! The barnes and noble product listing marks it as 192 pages.
The recently spoiled by Barnes and Noble Lost Omens: Draconic Codex likly will be were we see the cinder dragons stated out.Actually, cinder dragons were mentioned as being in Monster Core 2 in the Barnes & Noble leak for that product. But there will certainly be cinderific options in Draconic Codex.
My gut tells me we'll get Daralathyxl statted out in Shining Kingdoms. He will be unique, as a mythic cinder archdragon. We'll get probably get some idea of what cinder dragons and archdragons can do, but we will of course have to wait for October/November to get the specifics.
Also, WOW is that going to be an expensive month! Two rulebooks, a Lost Omens, and an AP for me!
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If Daralathyxl gets a stat block in this book, that'll be breaking new ground for the Lost Omens books, since they tend to include a handful of interesting creatures unique to the region rather than specific powerful villains.
True, but he is the most dangerous in-region threat. Besides... *points at cover* I mean, it would be a bit weird to not have stats for the guy on the cover.
I stand corrected. Maybe we won't get stats after all.
That's not Daralathyxl on the cover, just a generic cinder dragon.
Luis would you be so kind as to confirm if Daralathyxl gets stats in this book or maybe in Draconic Codex?
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Luis would you be so kind as to confirm if Daralathyxl gets stats in this book or maybe in Draconic Codex?
Luis has let me know that you will have to wait and see on this one, Prince Maleus, and to keep in mind that Lost Omens typically don't include NPC stat blocks!
Luis would you be so kind as to confirm if Daralathyxl gets stats in this book or maybe in Draconic Codex?Luis has let me know that you will have to wait and see on this one, Prince Maleus, and to keep in mind that Lost Omens typically don't include NPC stat blocks!
Thank you so much for the reply, Maya.
I love the social media posts you give us and for taking the time to respond to us here in the forums.Thou art a joy.
I'm positively giddy with excitement for more lore.
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Thank you so much for the reply, Maya.
I love the social media posts you give us and for taking the time to respond to us here in the forums.
Thou art a joy.I'm positively giddy with excitement for more lore.
You're very welcome, Prince Maleus! I appreciate the kind words! ^_^ It's what I'm here for!
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If I was a Dragon, I would want Maya in my horde, because Maya is an absolute treasure!
The announcement for this book must have completely slipped under my radar. I'm kind of surprised the Golden Road wasn't next, since I figured they wanted to start from the bottom of the map and work their way up.
Anyways, I'm a little disappointed there aren't any new ancestries, although it makes sense that there wouldn't be any.
*takes mic*
"Andoran political parties."
*drops mic*
*leaves*
God please no. Is it too much to ask to have a little escapism? Maybe I don't want to retreat to my little fictional world after facing the horrors only for there to be horrors in there, too.
Luis would you be so kind as to confirm if Daralathyxl gets stats in this book or maybe in Draconic Codex?Luis has let me know that you will have to wait and see on this one, Prince Maleus, and to keep in mind that Lost Omens typically don't include NPC stat blocks!
...that "typically" is doing some lifting there. We'll find out one way or the other in a few weeks.
Will this be part of the June subscription mailing?
Will this be part of the June subscription mailing?
Yes. If my estimation is correct, the Orders should get created on May 14th and shipping should start May 29th.
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Hoping for Hellknights or Old Cheliax soon!
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Hoping for Hellknights or Old Cheliax soon!
I think the Cheliax setting may need to be updated after this year's meta-event, so next year there may be a setting set for the old Cheliax area