Pathfinder Lost Omens: Divine Mysteries

theWasp wrote:

Is that Oloch being the battle harbinger? It looks like Oloch to me.

What kind of reduction in spellcasting do battle harbingers get compared to normal clerics?

Yes, they've been trying to bring back some of the old Iconics for archetypes. Oloch has found a new patron in Genzaeri and is representing the Battle Harbinger, while Sharda is representing the Rivethun Emissary archetype.

I am not familiar with Genzaeri.

Is Rivethun Emissary an ordinary or class archetype? And what are it's initial requirements? I had assumed Sharda would be a shaman practice animist cause they get a spirit familiar.

CorvusMask wrote:

I'm curious if we will ever get Casandalee article that acknowledges exact nature of her origins from Iron Gods xD

A Casandalee deity article is high on my want-list for an Adventure Path backmatter article, but it has to be at the right time with the right fit for an Adventure Path. Something like this, if I were developing it, would 100% absolutely dive into those origins from Iron Gods.

I really hope for an Nocticula article one day. :) Currently playing a redeemer Champion of Nocticula in PFS.

Is there an option to be a ‘Champion’ of Razmir too, or just a ‘Cleric’?

Squark wrote:

theWasp wrote:

Is that Oloch being the battle harbinger? It looks like Oloch to me.

What kind of reduction in spellcasting do battle harbingers get compared to normal clerics?

Yes, they've been trying to bring back some of the old Iconics for archetypes. Oloch has found a new patron in Genzaeri and is representing the Battle Harbinger, while Sharda is representing the Rivethun Emissary archetype.

I am not familiar with Genzaeri.

Is Rivethun Emissary an ordinary or class archetype? And what are it's initial requirements? I had assumed Sharda would be a shaman practice animist cause they get a spirit familiar.

Genzaeri will be introduced in this book. I don't actually have it yet so all I know is from others' previews. I have seen Genzaeri listed among the gods absorbing Gorum's flock, though.

Rivethun Emmisary, Rivethun Invoker, and... the third Rivethun archetype whose name escapes me are all regular archetypes. I haven't seen their requirements.

Yes, I am obsessed with the iconic characters. And whatever it is that we are calling the archetype characters like Zadim and Trzikhun.

Announced for November! Product images and descriptions are not final and are subject to change. :)

New classes/archtypes in it?

Mika Hawkins wrote:

Announced for November! Product images and descriptions are not final and are subject to change. :)

New classes/archtypes in it?

It's a Lost omen book, so no new classes. Only books from the "core" line gets those.

As for Archetypes:
Battle Harbinger (Cleric Archetype that change spellcasting to "wave casting" like Summoner and Magus, and change heal/harm fonts to bane/bless fonts, and give more martial prowess at the cost of casting.

New Champion feats spread across existing causes.

Mortal Herald, lvl 12 general archetype.

3 new Oracle mysteries: Ashes, Blight, Time.

Palatine Detective, Investigator Archetype that have a set Methodology that give access to divine and occult magic (one cantrip of each), and magical feats and feat giving spells as innate daily spells.

Razmiran Priest, general archetype that let you take cleric dedication choosing Razmir, and making the magic it grant occult.

3 Rivethum general Archetypes, Emissary ("bond" with different spirits, can take a spirit familiar), Invoker (can enter a magical trance that give bonus damage and some saving throw, a bit like rage), Involutionist (Gains divine spells granted by spirits, can gain a spirit companion)

New Witch Patrons (and remastered ones): Choir Politic (divine, community themed), Paradox of Opposites (divine, duality themed), Unseen Broker (occult, pacts/bargaining themed), Baba Yaga (Rare, occult, cold animated objects themed), Mosquito Witch (Rare, primal, swarms/insects themed)

Did not expect Remastered Baba Yaga, and especially not in this book, given her take on divinity.

But delighted to get her.

Is she (and the Mosquito Witch) identical to the quick Remastered version or something more evolved ?

Razmiran Priest, general archetype that let you take cleric dedication choosing Razmir, and making the magic it grant occult.

I wonder if this new archetype is a result of the Godsrain. Perhaps Razmir now really does have a spark of divinity, where he didn't before.

Elfteiroh wrote:

Razmiran Priest, general archetype that let you take cleric dedication choosing Razmir, and making the magic it grant occult.

I wonder if this new archetype is a result of the Godsrain. Perhaps Razmir now really does have a spark of divinity, where he didn't before.

To me it implies he has his "clerics" trained in occult spell casting to fake it. Pretty much like in 1e, except now we have magic lists separate from just divine and arcane to use.

Did not expect Remastered Baba Yaga, and especially not in this book, given her take on divinity.

But delighted to get her.

Is she (and the Mosquito Witch) identical to the quick Remastered version or something more evolved ?

They now have unique familiar abilities. I believe the Mosquito Witch's involves concealing you

Did not expect Remastered Baba Yaga, and especially not in this book, given her take on divinity.

But delighted to get her.

Is she (and the Mosquito Witch) identical to the quick Remastered version or something more evolved ?

Baba Yaga's cantrip let you give life to objects and attack people for 2d4 dmg per rank (variable depending on item) or move 25ft instead of attacking on sustains. And the familiar ability is that your familiar Dazzle foes in a 5 foot blast by making reflective snow appear.

Oh, and there's a new special rule that your (any witch, but they specifically point out Baba Yaga) familiar can be an object. It starts with speed of 0, and can't select any abilities related to any kind of speeds until you take a new exclusive familiar ability: Animated. It grant a 25 speed. In exchange, you HAVE to take the construct familiar ability each day, but you ignore the prerequisites.

Mosquito's cantrip target one creature and deal 1d4 piercing damage per ranks with fort save, with sustained sickened 1 on crit fail that cannot be reduced. Familiar ability give concealment to you or allies sharing space with them by surrounding them with a swarm of insects.

The more options from old books they remaster the more my fury at outdated options is quelled but also makes me wonder: what do they plan to put in place of them when the books they're originally from are remastered? Assuming books like Secrets of Magic will get remasters that is, though G&G is getting one so it doesn't seem unlikely. I'm very happy that Time and Pacts Unseen Broker are here but what will become of Dark Archive without them? Or will they be reprinted in that book too to preserve page count? Will there be brand new options in their place? Do these smaller remasters disqualify DA from getting a full dedicated remaster? Or, perhaps more accurately, are small remasters like this an indication that DA was never considered for a remaster and everything from it will be reprinted piecemeal throughout various books? I'm dying to know!

New Gods with a full page treatment
Ah Pook, the Destroyer
Aleth, the Gentle Shroud
Atrogine, Thought Made Flesh
Camazotz, Lord of Stolen Blood
The Devourer, the Star-Eater
Embaral, the Flooded Heart
Emmeton Galardaria, the Shared Hope
Genzaeri, the Telling Trial
Izuyakuthe Strength and Serenity
Kaldemash, Keeper of the Code
Nin, the Immaculate Solution
Obari, the Wandering Storm
Razmir, the Living God (Not technically new but first full deity representation)
Treerazer, Lord of the Blasted Tarn (Not technically new but first full deity representation)
Vudravarti, the Peaceful Mother
Zjar-Tovan, the Bladesoul

Quite a few are Arcadin or Vudran which might be hints of where the setting books are heading

Is there an option to be a ‘Champion’ of Razmir too, or just a ‘Cleric’?

Haha, champions don't even have their full premaster ability set back yet, let alone anything new.

Wait, is Razmir listed with all the other gods in the Deity section? Cause if so, and his special only says you can’t be a Cleric without his archetype, then you CAN be a Champion of Razmir RAW, no?

Obedience Champion of Razmir, please be real… *crosses fingers*

I want to spread peace and prosperity in the name of Razmir!

You guys skipped Abadar in the PDF bookmarks. :(

Gorgo Primus wrote:

Is there an option to be a ‘Champion’ of Razmir too, or just a ‘Cleric’?

Haha, champions don't even have their full premaster ability set back yet, let alone anything new.

<looks at Grandeur cause> Uh, what?

Also, there are a lot of Champion feats in this book.

Wait, is Razmir listed with all the other gods in the Deity section? Cause if so, and his special only says you can’t be a Cleric without his archetype, then you CAN be a Champion of Razmir RAW, no?

Obedience Champion of Razmir, please be real… *crosses fingers*

RAW that's definitely possinble, a vindicator of him too. But that's most likely not intended, as he's "not a real god" type of deal.

Hmm, there seems to be something wrong with Buzzing Bites. They removed the bit where it does damage on Sustain, but kept the part where they can't cast it on a creature multiple times. This makes it much worse than comparable hex cantrips, like the new Trade Life For Death or the old Clinging Ice.

Very disappointing considering how fun the old Buzzing Bites was.

Did not expect Remastered Baba Yaga, and especially not in this book, given her take on divinity.

But delighted to get her.

Is she (and the Mosquito Witch) identical to the quick Remastered version or something more evolved ?

They made MW's hex cantrip worse.

Only if it's intended and not an error.

Do SPaG errors get reported here too? In the introduction on page 6, it says

"Why is that some mortals worship other gods when the faiths of this “core” selection is so prominent?"

"Why is it that some mortals worship other gods when the faiths of this "core" selection are so prominent?"

Only if it's intended and not an error.

Hopefully we don't have too wait long to find out! Maybe in a year or two if we're unlucky, or never.

So I know I did this when Gods and Mysteries came out, but I'm doing it again... I really, really want a book that gives everyone in the Other Gods section (and all the new dieties in the Lost Omens books) the full 4-page spread the Core 20 got. Or at least book that does that for the dieties who weren't in Inner Sea Faiths and Faiths of Golarion. While things like realms and divine allies won't play a role in every game, they are very useful and they play a roll in a lot of my games :)

Kaldemash is so cool! Love the new lore about his potential origins.

You guys skipped Abadar in the PDF bookmarks. :(

And the PDF bookmarks miscategorized the Palatine detective, the Razmiran priest, the Rivethun, and the witch patrons as "subchapters" of the "parent" chapter Oracle Mysteries. https://i.imgur.com/bXJk0OU.png

Soluzar wrote:

$79.99? Is this an error? Player Core 2 is the same length for $59.99.

The 4 Core books are heavily discounted to be less of a barrier of entry.

From the blog announcing the most recent price structure:

Paizo Pricing & Sustainability Update Blog wrote:

Holding the Line on the Core

Contrary to what I’ve outlined above, we’ll keep the price of the hardcover Core books (Player Core, GM Core, Monster Core, and Player Core 2) at $59.99 through at least the first printing. We feel these books are essential first purchases for Pathfinder players and want to hold the line on price increases as long as possible to reduce the barrier of entry for new players.

SOURCE BLOG

It's still absolutely ridiculous to pay $80 for these. This hobby's money sink is starting to compare to Games Workshop.

It's still absolutely ridiculous to pay $80 for these. This hobby's money sink is starting to compare to Games Workshop.

I'll bite - what do you think is a fair price for a 320-page hardcover book stuffed with full-color art? I'd genuinely love to hear.

Do keep in mind that the price of printing went up as much as 8x during the pandemic, and never really came back down.

I mean, there is still an option to just buy PDFs. I discovered like 2 years ago I don't really need or use paper books anyway now, so I just get the PDFs for less than half the price and I am happy. There is no requirement to buy paper books. And still you can probably find them cheaper on Amazon with time...

Elfteiroh wrote:

Soluzar wrote:

$79.99? Is this an error? Player Core 2 is the same length for $59.99.

The 4 Core books are heavily discounted to be less of a barrier of entry.

From the blog announcing the most recent price structure:

Paizo Pricing & Sustainability Update Blog wrote:

Holding the Line on the Core

Contrary to what I’ve outlined above, we’ll keep the price of the hardcover Core books (Player Core, GM Core, Monster Core, and Player Core 2) at $59.99 through at least the first printing. We feel these books are essential first purchases for Pathfinder players and want to hold the line on price increases as long as possible to reduce the barrier of entry for new players.

SOURCE BLOG

It's still absolutely ridiculous to pay $80 for these. This hobby's money sink is starting to compare to Games Workshop.

Thankfully, purchasing them is voluntary.

Only 9 out of the 36 new spells are available to clerics. What gives?
Given the title, you would think clerics would have access to the majority of New spells.

Only 9 out of the 36 new spells are available to clerics. What gives?

Given the title, you would think clerics would have access to the majority of New spells.

Technically all the spells are available to clerics, because they are granted by specific gods.

PFS rules clarification points to a web supplement. Is there a target date for that to be uploaded to this page?

So no mention of Naderi in the book? Did she wander into the Hole of Disappearance along with the Egyptians or what?

So no mention of Naderi in the book? Did she wander into the Hole of Disappearance along with the Egyptians or what?

Naderi is probably in a supplement. I see her in the table in the Nexus version of Divine Mysteries and here https://app.demiplane.com/nexus/pathfinder2e/deities/naderi-rm

The Osirian gods are also in it as well.. so yeah...a supplement.

https://app.demiplane.com/nexus/pathfinder2e/deities/sobek-rm

Question: why did Zevgavizeb edicts and anathema get changed from Extinction Curse?

It creates weird things like Xulgath Stalkers breaking Zevgavizeb's new anathema, especially because he didn't seem like demon lord how hates stealth x'D

like to compare his old edicts/anathema

Edicts expand your clutch’s domain, dominate your enemies, demonstrate mastery over your crafts and environment, devour the weak
Anathema surrender in combat, express weakness in the face of adversity, show mercy to the weak

got changed to

Edicts Slaughter the cowardly, subjugate the weak
Anathema Favor stealth over shows of strength, eat
cooked meat

making it kinda seem like his cunning predator aspects got changed to "he is purely brute force"

So no mention of Naderi in the book? Did she wander into the Hole of Disappearance along with the Egyptians or what?

Yeah it’s odd I just finished reading about Shelyn and her Relationship section mentions all the tragedy in her early existence but doesn’t mention Naderi at all.

Its extra weird if Naderi is still in supplemental table. Maybe they wanted to provide alternate theory or disconnect Naderi from Shelyn/Urgathoa thing? After all there isn't it was never explicitly canon just an in universe theory

When is this shipping?

Shipping has already started for Subscriptions and Pre-orders. If you order now yours will be added to the shipping queue.

In the summary table, Neshen has identifal edicts and anathema which might be tricky to follow.
What should the Knight of the Steel Lashes’ anahema be?

In the summary table, Neshen has identifal edicts and anathema which might be tricky to follow.

What should the Knight of the Steel Lashes’ anahema be?

Luis Loza posted here about a week ago with a clarification on that.

Archpaladin Zousha wrote:

Noticed an error on Page 308 in the Appendix: In the line for Neshen (Knight of the Steel Lash), near the bottom, his edicts and anathema are identical, which I think isn't intentional. I can't imagine a god who exhorts you to "lead others to the light of good," while also forbidding it.

Thanks for catching this! The proper anathema should read "stop taking care of yourself, wallow in self-pity, refuse to right past wrongs."

Paul Watson wrote:

In the summary table, Neshen has identifal edicts and anathema which might be tricky to follow.

What should the Knight of the Steel Lashes’ anahema be?

Luis Loza posted here about a week ago with a clarification on that.

Luis Loza wrote:

Archpaladin Zousha wrote:

Noticed an error on Page 308 in the Appendix: In the line for Neshen (Knight of the Steel Lash), near the bottom, his edicts and anathema are identical, which I think isn't intentional. I can't imagine a god who exhorts you to "lead others to the light of good," while also forbidding it.

Thanks for catching this! The proper anathema should read "stop taking care of yourself, wallow in self-pity, refuse to right past wrongs."

Thanks. I searched for Neshen and got no findings.

Thanks! I've been trying to think of a FoRP character, and setting up a mortal herald seemed like a good way to make the most of the higher starting level. Thanks for taking the time to read it, and the character concept in your post sounds pretty cool!

I’m sorry I did not follow up as promised, but I was laid low with illness that nearly took me out. I’m doing better. But, by now, I expect you have the book or I hope someone else has answered your question.

No worries! I have the PDF, and waiting a few days for stuff like this never killed anyone. Wishing you a speedy recovery!

Its extra weird if Naderi is still in supplemental table. Maybe they wanted to provide alternate theory or disconnect Naderi from Shelyn/Urgathoa thing? After all there isn't it was never explicitly canon just an in universe theory

Naderi iscalso associated with Zyphus who is trying to push her towards the exil alignment and he managed to get a page himself. Would have been nice to have notes on all the Inner Sea Faiths from 1e.

Anyone not received your PDF? I pre-ordered and still waiting.

Anyone not received your PDF? I pre-ordered and still waiting.

The way Paizo has things set up is that only people who subscribe to the relevant product line (in this case, the Lost Omens line) get a free PDF; pre-ordering a physical copy of an individual book only gets you the physical copy. The PDF is sold separately.