Will this have a sketch varaint cover?
Will this book have anything about Gorum at all? I do realize by the time this book is set to release he'll have canonically died, but it would be a shame to not get a remastered version of his Divine Intercessions, for example. Assuming that mechanic is coming back at all? I would hope it does...
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Will this book have anything about Gorum at all? I do realize by the time this book is set to release he'll have canonically died, but it would be a shame to not get a remastered version of his Divine Intercessions, for example. Assuming that mechanic is coming back at all? I would hope it does...
Regardless of if the mechanic comes back, it's not like that means there would be "remastered" versions- it would just be the same divine intercessions, which Gorum already has printed?
But I think they mentioned including worship details for a few dead gods, so Gorum is likely covered in that capacity. My apologies if I'm misremembering, though.
Love that this is a nice big book, looking forward to it!
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Or it has an extraneous preposition.
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You think any of this book will be dedicated to the litanies and oaths that the Champion remaster left out?
Oaths, yes. That's been confirmed. Litanies, no. As of GenCon, they hadn't found a book to put the litany feats back into the Champion's kit.
Should this be considered a remastered Gods and Magic, or is the structure of the content different? Any servitor or herald get any love? Also, any statblocks for them?
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Should this be considered a remastered Gods and Magic, or is the structure of the content different? Any servitor or herald get any love? Also, any statblocks for them?
It remaster most of Gods & Magic content, but is much bigger (G&M was 136 pages, this one is 320, more than twice the size). It remaster all the PF2 deities published pre-remaster, even those published outside of that book. There's also content specific to the War of Immortal event, updating some stuff after the Godsrain. There's also stuff about Arazni, to bring her up to par with the other core 20 deities.
They didn't talk about any "stat blocks" yet.
Is this book supposed to be a replacement for Gods & Magic?
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Is this book supposed to be a replacement for Gods & Magic?
The description of this product, as well as the comment directly above yours, suggests this book is not only a replacement for Gods & Magic, but also an expansion upon it.
Is this book supposed to be a replacement for Gods & Magic?The description of this product, as well as the comment directly above yours, suggests this book is not only a replacement for Gods & Magic, but also an expansion upon it.
Which really is the best of both worlds. And not the Starfinder kind.
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When will the subscription let us "Start with Divine Mysteries" instead of the Tian Xia stuff?
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So we've heard that Gorum would make it into this book in one form or another, but now I'm curious whether the other casualties of the War of Immortals will get full remastered deity stat-blocks. Of particular interest to me is
I have a few character concepts that use them so I'd very much like to know if they'll be making a comeback or not as far as rules are concerned. Really I'd love a blanket confirmation or denial of all affected deities but I can see a world where it might be case-by-case, in which event I'd be happy with simply knowing that that's the case.
Very very hype for this book after all the stuff I’ve been seeing about war of the immortals
We're getting an entire section on dead gods, yes, but when I think dead gods there's one that comes to mind above all others. What if we're gonna get a deity stat block for Aroden? 1e had it. It's been dangling in front of us for all of 2e's lifespan, surely they gotta go for it eventually.
Dammit, I need to follow more sources of Pathfinder information than literally just the blog. And/or I need to do more backreading.
The more I read, the more excited I get about this book!
*My Order Is Pending*
\(OoO)/
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The first lucky subscribers should get this today! Hopefully.
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*Vibrating in expectation*
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There is an AMA on Reddit!
I got my copy. I will check here periodically to check for questions and answer as I can over the next couple of hours in between monitoring the US election news. So, ask away and I’ll answer what I can without copy/pasting text or giving away too much. Please keep in mind I am on an iPad, so I can’t write long posts with the hunt and peck method I have to type with on this device.
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I got my copy. I will check here periodically to check for questions and answer as I can over the next couple of hours in between monitoring the US election news. So, ask away and I’ll answer what I can without copy/pasting text or giving away too much. Please keep in mind I am on an iPad, so I can’t write long posts with the hunt and peck method I have to type with on this device.
Could you shed light on Covenants? Been curious on what they are and how they work since I heard about them. Thanks in advance.
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Any interesting developments with the Empyreal Lords?
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Could you shed light on Covenants? Been curious on what they are and how they work since I heard about them. Thanks in advance.
They take pretty much a whole page to explain it all. But, basically Covenants and Pantheons have the same stat block format, which is very nearly the same as the deity entries in player core:
Pantheon/Covenant Members
Areas of Concern
Edicts
Anathema
Divine Attribute
Religious Symbol
DEVOTEE BENEFITS
Cleric Spells: 1st, 2nd, etc.
Divine Font: heal, harm, or choose which
Divine Sanctification
Divine Skill
Domains
Alternate Domains
Favored Weapon
But, the long, rambling, in-setting/character reason as to why they are different basically boils down to:
Pantheons are formal, business-like agreements for deities to work together towards a common cause, regardless of whether or not they all like each other or not; kind of like a task-force. For example, Asmodeus, Irori, and Iomedae are all members in the Talons of the Godclaw Pantheon, but Irori and Iomedae would ordinarily be working against Asmodeus and are even charted and remarked in the book to be enemies of Asmodeus. However, they work together in that Pantheon because all 3 champion law and order and oppose chaos; so they cooperate towards that common goal. It’s like working on the job with someone you don’t like.
Covenants are like pantheons, but not as formal and business-like and are not just for deities like pantheons are. They are a gathering of like-minded folks, no matter their origins. Elementals, spirits, fey, genies, powerful animals, “mysterious forces”, intelligent weapons, proteans, and other such entities of all sorts can be members of a covenant in addition to deities and many covenants don’t even have a deity in its membership (for example, Green Faith, Esoteric Order of the Palatine Eye, Breath of the Endless Sky, and more). Covenants are united in a purpose or common cause and are formed more like informal, social groups because of that common interest and because they all get along, too. If pantheons are like being on the job with folks you don’t and do like and everything in between, then covenants are like gathering together with the folks from your job that you do get along with and maybe your friends and neighbors to go out for drinks at the bar during happy hour and maybe watching sports or playing RPGs after work.
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Any interesting developments with the Empyreal Lords?
Im not terribly familiar with their lore, but the book has 8 pages devoted to 26 named empyreal lords that get 2 or 3 long paragraphs each. Do you have a more specific question?
Did Champions and the Blessed One archtype get the Lay on Hands enhancing feats like accelerating touch and amplifying touch back?
No. The only thing for Lay on Hands is the level 2 feat, Oath of the Avenger, for Champions to use it to inflict spirit damage as if the target of your oath were undead.
Blessed One doesn’t even show up on a word search.
Any interesting developments with the Empyreal Lords?Im not terribly familiar with their lore, but the book has 8 pages devoted to 26 named empyreal lords that get 2 or 3 long paragraphs each. Do you have a more specific question?
Were any of them especially effected in the War of Immortals?
What could you tell us about the dragon gods? Anything got expanded, or do we only get the classical "Apsu vs Dahak" lore?
Are there any mentions of relationships or alliances between Apsu and the likes of Shizuru, Uvuko or any other draconic gods?
And finally, any beautiful illustrations for them?
I would love to see either Susumu or Nanbyo in their draconic form.
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Are there elemental covenants besides the air ones?
Yes. There are a total of 16 Covenants and 6 of those are for each of the 6 elements and matters closely related to their element. For example, Waves of the Boundless Sea Covenant (faydhaans, the Plane of Water, sea serpents, spirits of water, water elementals) are concerned with aquatic creatures, currents, swimming, tides, and water. Also, 2 other covenants have some overlap with the elements (at least in some of their domains) - Green Faith is for the veneration of the natural world and Rivethun is for spirits, guidance, and balance.
Also, this is extremely niche, but does the psychopomp usher Vavaalrav have a new symbol (as in, not a cross), or any changed or new information from what's on AON or the wiki?
From what I can see, he gets 3 paragraphs that don’t really tell us much more than we already know from 1E. He grants the Heal font, but no sanctification. Domains are Darkness, protection, repose, and vigil with alternate domains of earth and family.
His edicts are:
- Create and erect grave markers
- Lay bodies to rest
- Protect graveyards and sacred grounds from despoilment and supernatural threats
Anathema are:
- Treat grave sites irreverently
- Allow others to despoil the dead or rob a grave
- Create undead
- Desecrate a corpse
What could you tell us about the dragon gods? Anything got expanded, or do we only get the classical "Apsu vs Dahak" lore?Are there any mentions of relationships or alliances between Apsu and the likes of Shizuru, Uvuko or any other draconic gods?
And finally, any beautiful illustrations for them?
I would love to see either Susumu or Nanbyo in their draconic form.
I couldn’t find mentions of any draconic alliances. Most of the deities that already got entries in other regional books like Tian Xia World Guide and Impossible Lands did not get new entries in this book, though Arazni, Grandmother Spider, Hei Feng, Shizuru, and Tsukiyo did. Apsu and Dahak both got 1 page entries with art, but not any new lore that I can tell. I didn’t notice any other dragon art that wasn’t already seen in Gods & Magic. I can’t find a section on dragon gods. Susumu doesn’t have an entry, but he is mentioned as one of the gods that Gorumites are turning to after Gorum’s death. Uvuko is only mentioned as a member of the Guardians of the Sacred Self pantheon which is concerned with community building, community service, protecting the persecuted and downtrodden, and raising awareness.
I’ll try to answer those questions I haven’t gotten to yet tomorrow. I need to read the relevant sections before answering and I’m running out of battery power and sleep time right now.
So judging by what I saw in a review of the book, Naderi and Gyronna are the only deities in Inner Sea Faiths without a page description. Is there anything extra for those two deities?
From what I've heard, apparently Apsu got new partner and together they had 7 children including Dahak.
A new partner? It’s not mentioned or hinted at anywhere in this book that I can find. Sarshallatu is stated to be his mate and she and Apsu were the first dragons. They had 7 children, including Dahak. There is no mention of other children that I can find.
So judging by what I saw in a review of the book, Naderi and Gyronna are the only deities in Inner Sea Faiths without a page description. Is there anything extra for those two deities?
A word search for Naderi and Gyronna reveals that Naderi is not mentioned in the book and Gyronna is only mentioned once in the Appendix with a deity portfolio entry under the section “In Memoriam (other dead, missing, or unaccounted-for gods)”.
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Apsu’s original mate was Tiamat if I remember correctly.
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From what I've heard, apparently Apsu got new partner and together they had 7 children including Dahak.A new partner? It’s not mentioned or hinted at anywhere in this book that I can find. Sarshallatu is stated to be his mate and she and Apsu were the first dragons. They had 7 children, including Dahak. There is no mention of other children that I can find.
So judging by what I saw in a review of the book, Naderi and Gyronna are the only deities in Inner Sea Faiths without a page description. Is there anything extra for those two deities?A word search for Naderi and Gyronna reveals that Naderi is not mentioned in the book and Gyronna is only mentioned once in the Appendix with a deity portfolio entry under the section “In Memoriam (other dead, missing, or unaccounted-for gods)”.
I don'T have the book, but the wiki's page for Gyronna was updated with War of Immortal info, and says this:
- Pathfinder Wiki's Article on Gyronna
So yeah. They updated the stats, but she's currently missing, and there' no new info about it in this book.
Apsu’s original mate was Tiamat if I remember correctly.
You are referencing material presented in a 2007 D&D OGL book that James Jacobs has since stated is not what they wanted to keep when they published 1st edition Pathfinder. So, Tiamat was not kept in the Pathfinder setting when it was first published as its own game and Tiamat was no longer canon once the first Pathfinder Core Rulebook came out. Other PF books referenced events and things related to the story of the dragon gods, but no longer mention her by the name Tiamat.
Also, Dahak is now Apsu’s son and is looking for a rematch whereas, in the older version of the story Apsu was the one hunting Dahak. Also, Apsu is green now instead of being a silver dragon.
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Apsu’s original mate was Tiamat if I remember correctly.You are referencing material presented in a 2007 D&D OGL book that James Jacobs has since stated is not what they wanted to keep when they published 1st edition Pathfinder. So, Tiamat was not kept in the Pathfinder setting when it was first published as its own game and Tiamat was no longer canon once the first Pathfinder Core Rulebook came out. Other PF books referenced events and things related to the story of the dragon gods, but no longer mention her by the name Tiamat.
Also, Dahak is now Apsu’s son and is looking for a rematch whereas, in the older version of the story Apsu was the one hunting Dahak. Also, Apsu is green now instead of being a silver dragon.
Dahak has always been Apsu's son, he's also been shown as Green before hasn't he?
I don’t have the original book, but the wiki states he is a silver dragon and his illustration matches that.