Pathfinder Treasure Vault

So, over on my Twitter I'd mentioned that if I got 100 comments from people telling me what section of Treasure Vault they'd be most excited to see a spoiler from (now that the whole Table of Contents is out in the wild), I'd put a single spoiler from the most popularly requested section here. I've bucketed these requests up to broader chapters since some people were asking for chapters and others were asking for specific subsections (blame that on me and Twitter's character limit), and Secrets of Crafting was the big winner here. So I'm going to tease the new "Gardens of Wonder" subsystem!

Gardens of Wonder
"Essentially, a garden is a living item or collection of items that produce herbal alchemical items, poisons, or other consumables at a steady rate (typically one per day) without the need for additional downtime. These consumables are only temporary, however, typically taking the form of a short-lived fruit, flower blossom, or other perishable good. As such, they expire at the end of the day; since characters with a garden can’t stockpile their bounty, they’re encouraged to use the consumable items each day. Even magical and other extraordinary means of preservation have no effect."

Gardens are a tool for PCs to gain a renewable source of consumables for the party. These rules work best when the PCs have a recurring base of operations they can set their gardens up near or in, and can cover a much wider array of consumables and concepts than you might think! A garden of wonder that the PCs invest in could be a bakery, an alchemical laboratory staffed by homunculi, or something like these:

Haunted Churches and Sites of Power
"A cleric creates a living scroll factory from parchment scraps won from contract devils and mummy wrappings, producing eerie-looking scrolls each midnight that explode into black flame the following midnight. Any of a variety of undead or extraplanar creatures might serve as the central seed for a “religious garden” that supplies the character with scrolls,...

I really really hope there is a way for PFS characters to get this in spite of their missions being everywhere. Maybe a portable version.

Will we get double weapons back? Like the classic two-bladed sword?

I want to know If thiers thiers anything in this book a artifact or alchemy items connected or artifacts to Haagenti demon lord of alchemy

Looking forward to previews from this book.

Do we know the identity of those Hobgoblin weapons yet?

Do we know the identity of those Hobgoblin weapons yet?

There is a video showing 2 of them (not sure if they're final) in some sample build.

Breaching Pike - One-handed d6 piercing martial weapon with the Hobgoblin, Reach, and Razing (+2 damage per damage die vs. objects, ex. a shield used for Shield Block) traits.

Phalanx Piercer - Advanced d10 piercing bow with a range increment of 60 feet. Has the Hobgoblin, Concussive, Propulsive, Razing (see above), and Volley (20 ft.) traits.

see the video here.

While we will have to wait for the final rules, the Gardens of wonder seem like they might not be that useful. If the items only last the day and the garden is stationary than the items are effectively useless on any quest or adventure that takes place more than a few hours from the garden.

Think of Kingmaker where players more than most campaigns have a permanent base where they can set one if these up. However even crossing one hex can put you a day away, so if you don't use the consumables right away they are wasted. A 12th level caster with teleport can offset this a bit but that means that caster is always using a slot for tp.

Lots to think about here.

While we will have to wait for the final rules, the Gardens of wonder seem like they might not be that useful. If the items only last the day and the garden is stationary than the items are effectively useless on any quest or adventure that takes place more than a few hours from the garden.

Think of Kingmaker where players more than most campaigns have a permanent base where they can set one if these up. However even crossing one hex can put you a day away, so if you don't use the consumables right away they are wasted. A 12th level caster with teleport can offset this a bit but that means that caster is always using a slot for tp.

Lots to think about here.

Campaigns that take place entirely in one city aren’t *too* uncommon, while both Age of Ashes and the upcoming Stolen Fate make your party’s “home base” more accessible than it would normally be.

Blood Lords too, gives you both a home in Graydirge and Mechitar.

While we will have to wait for the final rules, the Gardens of wonder seem like they might not be that useful. If the items only last the day and the garden is stationary than the items are effectively useless on any quest or adventure that takes place more than a few hours from the garden.

Think of Kingmaker where players more than most campaigns have a permanent base where they can set one if these up. However even crossing one hex can put you a day away, so if you don't use the consumables right away they are wasted. A 12th level caster with teleport can offset this a bit but that means that caster is always using a slot for tp.

Lots to think about here.

I'm actually already considering the possibility of changing the day rule to a "They last out a voyage" house rule for my west marches for this reason.

They'd certainly be useful in Abomination Vaults though, it might also be possible to move them around, so if you can reestablish a home base for the next 'adventure' that's another possibility.

Nicolas Paradise wrote:

While we will have to wait for the final rules, the Gardens of wonder seem like they might not be that useful. If the items only last the day and the garden is stationary than the items are effectively useless on any quest or adventure that takes place more than a few hours from the garden.

Think of Kingmaker where players more than most campaigns have a permanent base where they can set one if these up. However even crossing one hex can put you a day away, so if you don't use the consumables right away they are wasted. A 12th level caster with teleport can offset this a bit but that means that caster is always using a slot for tp.

Lots to think about here.

I'm actually already considering the possibility of changing the day rule to a "They last out a voyage" house rule for my west marches for this reason.

They'd certainly be useful in Abomination Vaults though, it might also be possible to move them around, so if you can reestablish a home base for the next 'adventure' that's another possibility.

That is fair. I suppose my immediate concern is Kingmaker because I am running and in person and a PbP of it and pretty much everything you do in kingmaker is a several day exploration away from base.

PFS has it even worse.

PFS has it even worse.

PFS has had permanent uber-gardens in the form of the Pathfinder schools since the start of the edition.

The Raven Black wrote:

PFS has it even worse.

PFS has had permanent uber-gardens in the form of the Pathfinder schools since the start of the edition.

The consumables do not reappear at the beginning of each day though ;-)

Time for more spoilers? :D

Time for more spoilers? :D

I'd love to know if there are any new monk weapons soon to be available!

Time for more spoilers? :D

From what I've heard January 11th is when we're going to start getting reviews of the Treasure Vault. Only seen it on /r/Pathfinder2e, have no idea when do they get this info.

Waiting for tomorrow, then! I wonder if we will get new relic themes or new abilities for existing themes.

All I want is those new magical tattoos! Playing a human with the arcane tattoo feats, and so badly have been wanting these to compliment it!

I am looking forward to this. I am looking forward to new staff and wand optoons.

So there are no previews?

So there are no previews?

We were deceived xD

I think that Paizo's resources are now mostly focused on the OGL situation, and some things will land on the back burner for a while, including previews.

I think that Paizo's resources are now mostly focused on the OGL situation, and some things will land on the back burner for a while, including previews.

I am not sure why would Marketing team be involved with the OGL and not only leadership + legal team, but okay.

So there are no previews?

Do the gardens and hobgoblin weapons not count?

If Paizo is planning some power move as a consequence of the OGL kerfuffle - and whispers in the woods are that they are - Marketing and PR will be hands-on in getting a lot of work done very fast, as is the design team.

Resolving what could suddenly be either an existential threat to their business (or, if all goes well, a huge swing in their favor) does feel like a higher priority over a rulebook which is still some time away, IMO.

Thanks for your enthusiasm. We are working blogs and a video to promote this rulebook. We are giving out early PDFs to media for exclusive previews. None for those are ready yet.

We launching this month's products, primarily the new Gatewalkers AP. We are planning the next Paizo Live, PaizoCon, and live plays. We have current sales and upcoming sales to promote. There is heavy internal processing of the ambiguousness of the industry right now. We are also trying to carve out time to hire a new Marketing and Media specialist whose job it will be to do much of this, rather than myself. I confess I am struggling to get it all done have a work-life balance. Thanks for your patience and patronage.

Thanks for your enthusiasm. We are working blogs and a video to promote this rulebook. We are giving out early PDFs to media for exclusive previews. None for those are ready yet.

We launching this month's products, primarily the new Gatewalkers AP. We are planning the next Paizo Live, PaizoCon, and live plays. We have current sales and upcoming sales to promote. There is heavy internal processing of the ambiguousness of the industry right now. We are also trying to carve out time to hire a new Marketing and Media specialist whose job it will be to do much of this, rather than myself. I confess I am struggling to get it all done have a work-life balance. Thanks for your patience and patronage.

Thank you for your reply. It's much more important that Paizo as a company and all employees will keep afloat, and hopefully will have good work-life balance. You're doing insane amount of awesome work for TTRPG community. I can definitely wait as much as needed for the previews.

If Paizo is planning some power move as a consequence of the OGL kerfuffle - and whispers in the woods are that they are - Marketing and PR will be hands-on in getting a lot of work done very fast, as is the design team.

See? This is me being correct because I am always correct. Talk to the hand.

Was planning to do some support buy today and go for some pocket editions (I normally only do pdf's to avoid shipping costs, but thought what the hell) I very much wanted to include the pocket version of this but then it would split the shipping costs in 2 bundles. do I best wait then till it is officially out?

Was planning to do some support buy today and go for some pocket editions (I normally only do pdf's to avoid shipping costs, but thought what the hell) I very much wanted to include the pocket version of this but then it would split the shipping costs in 2 bundles. do I best wait then till it is officially out?

I don't think it matters. If you order something that isn't available yet, it goes into your sidecart, and will be shipped when it's available. So if you order every pocket version you can, you'll get a shipment (which might be split up) of all the stuff currently in the warehouse, and then the sidecart stuff will trickle in as it's available.

If you want to order say ten at a time to avoid that trickle, then you'll have to wait until there are ten (that you don't yet have) available in the warehouse.

Thanks guess i only the once that are in then.

Edit:actually only going to buy the pfs pdfs that I planned and buy the pockets locally at Amazon ( that way I have more money to support them with since I need less for shipping.

RPG Bot: Exclusive preview of Treasure Vault’s Game Master’s Trove
"Okay, no one say anything. Don’t tell Paizo. We have an early copy of Treasure Vault, and I’m going to tell you what’s in the Game Master’s Trove chapter, because it’s pretty great and I’m not good at keeping secrets."

RPG Bot: Exclusive preview of Treasure Vault’s Game Master’s Trove

"Okay, no one say anything. Don’t tell Paizo. We have an early copy of Treasure Vault, and I’m going to tell you what’s in the Game Master’s Trove chapter, because it’s pretty great and I’m not good at keeping secrets."

It says page not found, am I doing something wrong?

Link does not seem to work for me :C

Nice!

Non-broken link

Love the item sets!

RPG Bot: Exclusive preview of Treasure Vault’s Game Master’s Trove

"Okay, no one say anything. Don’t tell Paizo. We have an early copy of Treasure Vault, and I’m going to tell you what’s in the Game Master’s Trove chapter, because it’s pretty great and I’m not good at keeping secrets."

Link corrected.

Cool stuff. Excited to full my loot tables!

Blighted boons sound awesome.

Question for Heartblood Ring
What if vamp creator was destroyed when ring's effect killed wearer?

My guess is that they would be a freed vampire

Apparently Nonat1s is expected to have our next Treasure Vault tease coming up on his channel sometime soon. Even I don't actually know what content he's teasing, so if you're interested I'd suggest keeping an eye on that channel for the next video to drop.

And that NoNat1s stream is up, covering the alchemical items. You can scrub through the video and check out some really exciting items yourself.

NoNat1s Treasure Vault stream

Nonat1s previews Chapter 2 Alchemy Unleashed:
SO MANY NEW ITEMS! - Pathfinder 2e Treasure Vault

Alchemical foods?! *Rolls an Alchemist Chef*

Sober!NoNat is best NoNat, especially when he reads things that are this fun. (And OH ME OH MY, the items are fun!)

Knights of Last Call will preview the Armor and Armament chapter of Treasure Vault.

The Secrets of Crafting video has been recorded by ReallyDicey. They are hoping to have it edited and released online by this Monday.