Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Advanced Class Guide (OGL)

Can anyone explain the Blade Adept Arcanist archetype and the Rageshaper Bloodrager? what exactly do they get, and or lose? Does the rage shaper have some kind of wildshape or polymorph mechanic? Does the arcanist have a mechanic to be a viable martial with 1/2 BAB?

Thank you for you time

Blade Adept gets a Black Blade similar to the Blade Bound Magus and a few exploits which work with the blade. There is an exploit where their blade progresses based on caster level so they can multi-class into EK. They can also deliver touch spells and do a few other magus tricks.

Siren from what I HEARD, the rageshaper gets a lot of 'natural attacks' bonuses. Not sure if true or what that means...

I think I saw someone ask about the inquisitor archetype that gets slayer toys, don't think I saw anyone give a response

In a nutshell they drop judgment and all of its improvements for sneak attack studied target and some slayer talents.

That sounds incredible. Does it keep solo tactics?

Just one question.. What is the dex to damage feat called again?

Just one question.. What is the dex to damage feat called again?

Slashing Grace is the one from the ACG. There's also Fencing Grace (a version for Rapiers) previewed in this thread.

How does the inquisitor with Sneak Attack that was mentioned many pages ago work?

People are telling me that 'Slashing Grace' is the feat to turn a slashing weapon into a piercing weapon...

And according to the beta test...

"NEW FEAT
The following feat is tailor made for swashbucklers
who wish to use slashing weapon in place of the typical
piercing weapons used by the class.
Slashing Grace
Choose one type of one-handed slashing weapon.
Prerequisites: Dex 13, Weapon Finesse, proficient with
chosen weapon.
Benefit: When wielding your chosen weapon one
handed, you can treat it as a one-handed piercing weapon
for all feats and class abilities that require such a weapon
(such as swashbuckler’s precise strike). The weapon must
be one for your size."

Yes, it changed from the playtest version.

Slashing Grace was changed in the final version. Now it adds dex-to-damage for a single one-handed slashing weapon.

Curiously, it doesn't add dex-to-hit, so you need a level of Swash to really use it...

People are telling me that 'Slashing Grace' is the feat to turn a slashing weapon into a piercing weapon...

It does that, too. The final version does both.

Curiously, it doesn't add dex-to-hit, so you need a level of Swash to really use it...

The Whip and the Aldori Dueling Sword are still viable for non-Swashbucklers. Though they are all that is...

People are telling me that 'Slashing Grace' is the feat to turn a slashing weapon into a piercing weapon...

Slashing Grace allows you to treat any slashing weapon in the 'One-handed weapon' category, such as a battleaxe, longsword, scimitar, etc. as if it were a one-handed piercing weapon for the purpose of class abilities such as Swashbuckler's Finesse or the Duelist's Precise Strike.

In addition, it allows you to use your dexterity in place of your strength score for damage rolls with weapons that fall under the purview of Slashing Grace.

So a Swashbuckler would be able to, with Slashing Grace, apply his dexterity score to attack and damage rolls with weapons that fall under Slashing Graces's limitations.

You could have yourself a graceful, agile axe dancer in the Swashbuckler. Or a swift and deadly swordmaster. Or a a nimble mistress of the whip.

Slashing Grace was changed in the final version. Now it adds dex-to-damage for a single one-handed slashing weapon.

Curiously, it doesn't add dex-to-hit, so you need a level of Swash to really use it...

Or you can use it with the whip or Aldori dueling sword.

Only a single slashing weapon, Archnofiend? So no fluorentine? (Two weapons)

Has anyone figured out what that picture of the guy that had a bunch of daggers flying around him represented?

Only a single slashing weapon, Archnofiend? So no fluorentine? (Two weapons)

A single weapon type, more accurately. So you could use it with TWF and two longswords, but not a sword and battleaxe or anything like that.

Only a single slashing weapon, Archnofiend? So no fluorentine? (Two weapons)

One handed weapons only. So you can use it with a single weapon, sawtooth sabers with two weapon fighting, or any two weapon fighting if you accept the penalties for twf with a non light weapon.

Now on to other topics. Is there any way for bloodragers to swift their spells or are spells completely useless except for buffs while out of combat? Due to the limited nature and usefulness of their buffs, I am so tempted to roll the archetype that gets extraordinary SR.

Brawler questions

-skill points per level
-do any archetypes swap out brawlers flurry?
-do any archetypes/feats change what weapon groups you can flurry?
-I remember a concern being how often one could use martial versatility to grab multiple feats. How many times per day could a level 11 Brawler grab max feats in a usuge?
-capstone?

Brawler?

LOL, I go away for a few hours and another hundred threads about Slashing Grace pop up. Folks really want that Dex damage. :)

There's like amulets, relatively inexpensive ones, that give access to pretty much all the bloodrager bloodlines. Want a fey bloodline with access to greater invisibility and laughing touch? Grab a fey bloodline amulet.

Want a metamagic rod to boost your hexes. There's rods for that now, including one that appears like it will let your slumber hex affect multiple targets at once.

Now, let me go bottle some more of my tears.

Now on to other topics. Is there any way for bloodragers to swift their spells or are spells completely useless except for buffs while out of combat? Due to the limited nature and usefulness of their buffs, I am so tempted to roll the archetype that gets extraordinary SR.

There's a bloodrager archetype than can cast touch spells as a swift action if they can get their skin to make contact with their targets by giving them real big hugs, slaps or tickles.

No joke.

There's like amulets, relatively inexpensive ones, that give access to pretty much all the bloodrager bloodlines. Want a fey bloodline with access to greater invisibility and laughing touch? Grab a fey bloodline amulet.

I hope you're trolling... That would make bloodragers key ability very trivial. That's like having amulets that allow access to barbarian rage powers..

There's a bloodrager archetype than can cast touch spells as a swift action if they can get their skin to make contact with their targets by giving them real big hugs, slaps or tickles.

No joke.

And this sealed the trolling suspicion. Well played. ;)

Pretty much all of wakedown's stuff has been good thus far. I know of no reason these wouldn't be.

And the amulets might easily be Bloodrager only, which would eliminate the problem you note.

Ross Byers wrote:

Tels, the gift horse. You are looking in its mouth.

I know. It's just, they made multiple promises about the feat, and then it only came to pass by sheer coincidence. So it feels like a promise they didn't intend to keep.

I'm aware it didn't happen, but just imagine the reaction the forums would have had if they hadn't felt Slashing Grace needed a buff? In that event, it seems, based off Jason's post, we never would have gotten a Dex to Damage feat at all!

I suspect there would be a lot more removed posts in this thread if that had happened.

The book probably went to the printer months ago. They may have made those promises knowing Slashing Grace was in the book.

Now on to other topics. Is there any way for bloodragers to swift their spells or are spells completely useless except for buffs while out of combat? Due to the limited nature and usefulness of their buffs, I am so tempted to roll the archetype that gets extraordinary SR.

Based on playtest stuff and things posted here, there are options:

For buffs:
• Arcane bloodline applies a fantastic selection of buffs for free (not even touching your spells!) whenever you rage. Hasted wall-crawling rage-unicorn.
• Bloodragers can eventually cast buffs on themselves to themselves at no extra action when they rage, but the duration ends when the rage does. (So Bloodrager actively /avoids/ rage cycling.)

And this sealed the trolling suspicion. Well played. ;)

Shockingly, neither were jokes or trolling efforts. I haven't made anything up yet this thread.

The bloodrager is the Blood Conduit bloodrager.

And the amulets all exist, between 10,000gp-12,000gp a pop.

There's even a feat to get lay on hands.

Basically, if you want a specific class ability that you don't normally have, there's pretty much a way to get it on another class with the right archetype/feat/magic item.

Sure thing. Any good news for bludgeoning weapons?

Doing a quick search for bludgeoning didnt turn up anything relevant though i may have overlooked it

Has anyone figured out what that picture of the guy that had a bunch of daggers flying around him represented?

I figured it was someone who had cast the "wreath of blades" spell.

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There's a bloodrager archetype than can cast touch spells as a swift action if they can get their skin to make contact with their targets by giving them real big hugs, slaps or tickles.

No joke.

And this sealed the trolling suspicion. Well played. ;)

No, but really: Blood Conduit. 5th level "Spell Conduit (Su).

That sounds incredible. Does it keep solo tactics?

yep,yep just drops judgement and all of its improvements, it'll probably end up being my go to for most of my inquisitors going forward.

And the amulets all exist, between 10,000gp-12,000gp a pop.

There's even a feat to get lay on hands.

Okay, the amulet thing is cool. But since many abilities only trigger on raging, how do other classes use them? Limited time per day or does it grant raging?

Lay on Hands… with the swift action self-healing and everything?

Man. SO MANY CHARACTER CONCEPTS.

Gisher wrote:

Sure thing. Any good news for bludgeoning weapons?

Doing a quick search for bludgeoning didnt turn up anything relevant though i may have overlooked it

Thanks for looking. I was hoping for a spell or enchantment that is the equivalent of keen.

Basically, if you want a specific class ability that you don't normally have, there's pretty much a way to get it on another class with the right archetype/feat/magic item.

which is probably my favoret thing about the book, lot of chocolate in my various peanutbutters

So blood conduit.. If I make a melee natural attacks blood rager, he can punch a target and launch a MAGIC MISSILE TO THE FACE! ?

Wildmonsters wrote:

Gisher wrote:

Sure thing. Any good news for bludgeoning weapons?

Doing a quick search for bludgeoning didnt turn up anything relevant though i may have overlooked it

Thanks for looking. I was hoping for a spell or enchantment that is the equivalent of keen.

On second look Theres the Brawling weapon enchant that lets you add its enhancement to combat maneuver checks, that only works of 'fist' weapons and light bludgeoning weapons but that about it as far as I can see

So blood conduit.. If I make a melee natural attacks blood rager, he can punch a target and launch a MAGIC MISSILE TO THE FACE! ?

Magic Missile isn't a touch spell, so if Blood Conduit only triggers off touch spells, it wouldn't work.

Oh right..

Gisher wrote:

Wildmonsters wrote:

Gisher wrote:

Sure thing. Any good news for bludgeoning weapons?

Doing a quick search for bludgeoning didnt turn up anything relevant though i may have overlooked it

Thanks for looking. I was hoping for a spell or enchantment that is the equivalent of keen.

On second look Theres the Brawling weapon enchant that lets you add its enhancement to combat maneuver checks, that only works of 'fist' weapons and light bludgeoning weapons but that about it as far as I can see

That's interesting. Not sure that I would use a light mace to trip. :)

But this may have have some possibilities.

Manuelexar wrote:

I saw the end shipping date is the 22nd, that means that we'll get the PDF after the 14th?

Subscribers will get their PDF when their order ships (as normal). Normally, our retail release date for products (which is also the release date for PDFs) is the last Wednesday of the month, but since GenCon is our retail release this month, the release date is the 14th. While we hope to have subscription shipments done before the 14th (because our warehouse rocks), the 22nd is the listed end shipping date as a margin in case there are any issues.

How does this work for us lucky few subscribers picking up the book at GenCon?

Druid and Oracle: what kinda archetypes are they rockin' these days?

both mostly get archtypes that give them other classes new toys, such as insperation, and studied combat

Wildmonsters wrote:

I think I saw someone ask about the inquisitor archetype that gets slayer toys, don't think I saw anyone give a response

In a nutshell they drop judgment and all of its improvements for sneak attack studied target and some slayer talents.

Thank you, I was curious about this. Do they get access to a combat style at 2?

sorry missed your post earlier, they don't start getting slayer talents till lvl 8, so no they don't get access to combat style for a while.

Here's a question: does wandering spirit affect your spirit animal?

Here's a question: does wandering spirit affect your spirit animal?

far as I can tell no it only grants the spells and spirit abilities of the wandering spirit

Shadows_Of_Fall wrote:

Here's a question: does wandering spirit affect your spirit animal?

far as I can tell no it only grants the spells and spirit abilities of the wandering spirit

… and that will be houserule number one for me.

How strong is the SR for untouchable ragers?

And can Untouchable rager and Rageshaper or crossblooded rager, stack?

Is there a mistake in Improved/Greater Dirge of Doom?

I can't imagine that it's meant to automatically make enemies within 60' frightened once you hit level 9 or 11, but that's what it reads like.

Finally some bard love? :D

Have you seen anything else related to Bards?
I had hoped for:

• Some new Bardic Archetypes
  
• Feats like the one above that increase bardic performances
  
• Feat that let you use two performances at the same time (yes I know of the spell)
  
• new Bardic Performances
  
• New Bard spells
  
• New magic/mundane toys. Kudaku found “Poet's cloak” and “Tome of Epics”. Sounds cool but I have no idea what they do. Kudaku also found a magic item that gives skalds Inspire Courage and bards Raging Song.
  

Skald:
With the items that give Skalds Inspire Courage and Bards Raging Song I’m kind of flip-flopping on the Skald. If they weren’t going to make a Marshal kind of a Skald (less or no spells, but a lot of Performances type of abilities) they probably made the right choice not giving it Inspire Courage. Although from what archmagi1 posted the Skald is still not more useful in a non-melee focused group, which if true, is kind of sad. I had hoped for some archetype with less or no spells to take care of that problem.

So what kind of Skald archetypes are there in the book? Anyone you like?

>Skald
Totemic Skald, Herald of the Horn, Fated Champion, Spell Warrior

>Bard
Flame Dancer, Voice of the Wild

How strong is the SR for untouchable ragers?

8+lvl plus an extra 1 At 7th,10th,13th,and 16th

When does that ability come into effect? Level 4, I presume? So at lvl 4, I would have 12 SR?