Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Inner Sea Gods (PFRPG) Hardcover

Steven "Troll" O'Neal wrote:

Matthew Pittard wrote:

Im trying to picture an Evangelist of Lamashtu. I cant seem to do it.

Imagine a very pregnant gnoll screaming at the top of her lungs, that's about what you'd get.

Nah. She wouldn't have the breath in late pregnancy. Actually giving birth though, expect a stream of invective that would make a sailor blush.

Is that all? Psh! My wife would put that gnoll to shame. During her first pregnancy, my wife didn't just scream invectives at me. She tried to... well... remove parts - with her bare hands! I was only saved from life as a eunuch because the nurse yelled at her an told her that I did a beautiful thing for her. Yep, my youngest son owes his life to that nurse; he never would have been born if it wasn't for her. And I know from holding my wife's hand just seconds before she made her move that my wife had the grip of a vice that day. That's right; I'm not ashamed to admit that I was protected from a girl by another girl. Not where certain... parts... are concerned. :P

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Huh, I went through the Iomedae article during development, and looks like that sentence got imported unchanged from the original article in Council of Thieves. Sorry about that -- I really should have made sure to clarify.

My understanding (of course, James can confirm or correct), is that while Iomedae doesn't have the same focus on redemption as Sarenrae (who, I think, is pretty delighted whenever anyone whose heritage or other factors predisposes them toward evil decides to serve her or other good deities), that doesn't mean that she doesn't believe in it.

As there's been more tiefling material, "spawn" has come to have a more precise meaning (the oni-spawn, etc. tiefling subtypes in Blood of Fiends), whereas I suspect that, back in 2009, it was a badass-sounding way to say "fiends and similar creatures."

I can't imagine that Iomedae would reject a tiefling paladin.

So, that sentence should probably read, "She loathes incorrigible evil, fiends, traitors, and those who abuse good in the name of “greater” good."

I'll check in with James on Monday to make sure that usage of "spawn" wasn't intentional in the original article.

I don't know, I kind of like it that way. And it absolutely makes sense within the setting where Tieflings in the Mendev area have absolutely earned their reputation and, being a native Chelaxian, that sort of outlook fits. It makes her a good deal more interesting and less perfect/mary sue.

In a similar case, it was confirmed that Pharasma, for example, will not allow followers with the Undead Bloodline, or who are themselves undead, period.

I don't know, I kind of like it that way. And it absolutely makes sense within the setting where Tieflings in the Mendev area have absolutely earned their reputation and, being a native Chelaxian, that sort of outlook fits. It makes her a good deal more interesting and less perfect/mary sue.

The Goddess is neither a...merry sue nor a racist hatemonger who would condemn others for the circumstances of their birth. Such a being would be unworthy of the mantle of Heaven. And such a being would have left two children to die rather than offering them sanctuary.

Holy Iomedae is no such being. I owe everything I am to that fact.

And besides not wanting to forbid tiefling paladins from following THE paladin god, not really a big fan of making Good into "good in name only" for the sake of being "interesting" either.

Also, Cayden's servitors are the most adorable drunks ever.

Really appreciate the "other followers" info alongside the heralds and servitors. Just like in Chronicle of the Righteous, some of them are a bit surprising.

And besides not wanting to forbid tiefling paladins from following THE paladin god, not really a big fan of making Good into "good in name only" for the sake of being "interesting" either.

I seriously hope your GM makes a number of changes to a certain... scene in Wrath of the Righteous, Mikaze. You might get cranky.

(Personally, I don't mind gods having flaws - they aren't paragons of their alignment, and they can absolutely make mistakes. Sometimes horrific ones. And just like good gods can have bad points, evil gods can have good ones.)

Also, Cayden's servitors are the most adorable drunks ever.

What do they do?

what are Shelyn's boons and what is Shelyn's realm like?

Oh gurl, I got my download :DDD

being a native Chelaxian, that sort of outlook fits.

Iomedae is a recent God, but she's still old by mortal standards. She's from the Cheliax that served Aroden, not the one that serves Asmodeus. There's no reason 'hellspawn are proof of weakness' needs to be part of her ethos.

Jessica Price wrote:

Huh, I went through the Iomedae article during development, and looks like that sentence got imported unchanged from the original article in Council of Thieves. Sorry about that -- I really should have made sure to clarify.

My understanding (of course, James can confirm or correct), is that while Iomedae doesn't have the same focus on redemption as Sarenrae (who, I think, is pretty delighted whenever anyone whose heritage or other factors predisposes them toward evil decides to serve her or other good deities), that doesn't mean that she doesn't believe in it.

As there's been more tiefling material, "spawn" has come to have a more precise meaning (the oni-spawn, etc. tiefling subtypes in Blood of Fiends), whereas I suspect that, back in 2009, it was a badass-sounding way to say "fiends and similar creatures."

I can't imagine that Iomedae would reject a tiefling paladin.

So, that sentence should probably read, "She loathes incorrigible evil, fiends, traitors, and those who abuse good in the name of “greater” good."

I'll check in with James on Monday to make sure that usage of "spawn" wasn't intentional in the original article.

I don't know, I kind of like it that way. And it absolutely makes sense within the setting where Tieflings in the Mendev area have absolutely earned their reputation and, being a native Chelaxian, that sort of outlook fits. It makes her a good deal more interesting and less perfect/mary sue.

In a similar case, it was confirmed that Pharasma, for example, will not allow followers with the Undead Bloodline, or who are themselves undead, period.

You're free to do whatever you want in your games, of course, but as James has confirmed, Iomedae doesn't prohibit tiefling church members. :-)

All of them require Deific Obedience and must worship Deity.

The big hole is the minor deities (like Besmara) which hopefully will be fixed by a blog.

Though I don't see them doing obediences for Dead or Lost Gods like Lissala.

Lissala appears to be at least partly active, and is granting spells to followers...guess I'll have to home brew an obedience :)

Lissala is only "lost" in the sense that most of her followers were killed thousands of years ago and her religion just sort of faded away. The Pathfinder Society Organized Play campaign's focus on the small cult that rose up in Varisia last year shouldn't be construed as her faith being widespread beyond those few cults that existed in that adventure. For the most part, modern worshipers have never heard of her and devote themselves to other gods as a result.

Are the Core 20 the only ones that can offer the 3 PRCs?

Are the Core 20 the only ones that can offer the 3 PRCs?

Chronicles of the Righteous gives obediences and boons for numerous minor good deities, albeit a single set not broken down into Evangelist/Exalted/Sentinel. From earlier posts in this thread their appear to be some generic obediences and boons published elsewhere for certain groupings of minor deities. So there are definitely deities with obediences and usable boons outside of the core 20.

Lissala is only "lost" in the sense that most of her followers were killed thousands of years ago and her religion just sort of faded away. The Pathfinder Society Organized Play campaign's focus on the small cult that rose up in Varisia last year shouldn't be construed as her faith being widespread beyond those few cults that existed in that adventure. For the most part, modern worshipers have never heard of her and devote themselves to other gods as a result.

So sort of like the Egyptian gods in Osirion. They're still alive and kicking, it's just that they're way out of style and don't have many followers.

Anyone mind spoiling some shelyn stuff for me. Waiting for the PDF launch :(

I'd love to hear the Irori boons. They could be very useful for my inquisitor/monk.

Does Szuriel have boons, or any mechanic stuff?

Mark Moreland wrote:

Lissala is only "lost" in the sense that most of her followers were killed thousands of years ago and her religion just sort of faded away. The Pathfinder Society Organized Play campaign's focus on the small cult that rose up in Varisia last year shouldn't be construed as her faith being widespread beyond those few cults that existed in that adventure. For the most part, modern worshipers have never heard of her and devote themselves to other gods as a result.

So sort of like the Egyptian gods in Osirion. They're still alive and kicking, it's just that they're way out of style and don't have many followers.

Exactly. That said, if you read up on her herald in Pathfinder AP #65, Lissala has a more complex relationship with her followers even than the Osirian pantheon.

Could I get a bit on what Iomedae and Desna offer? I also have a player who wants to take their character more healing oriented so if the book has options for that that'd be really helpful.

what is Iomedae's realm like?

It's probably a good thing that this book has so many feats that I wish lacked the "worshiper of X deity" requirement. There are a LOT of stellar choices in this product.

My favorite so far is Savior's Arrow, an Erastil feat. Once per day, a divine spellcaster with Savior's Arrow can use her bow as a cure wounds spell's somatic focus and use it to make a ranged touch attack against a creature. If it hits, the spell heals the target as if it were touched by the cure spell.

That is a feat that would be SUPER cool to be able to use multiple times per day.

Xavier, I'm curious, why are you so interested in the various divine realms?

Most hilarious line in this book goes to the Poisoned Egg spell:

"The poison reverts to a normal egg at the end of the spell's duration (the reverted egg substance is harmless unless the poisoned creature is vulnerable to eggs).

In theory, yeah, all of the gods would and should grant boons. The realities of space limitations prevented us from doing that. Maybe someday we'll figure a way out to present more boons for other deities, but in the meantime, the core gods, demon lords, and empyreal lords are the only ones with any details there. If you want to use one of the prestige classes for another deity like Zyphus or Hastur or Ymiri or whomever, you can... you'll just need to house rule up the boons yourself, using the ones in the book as inspiration. (Obviously that means that for PFS play, these prestige classes would only work for the core deities... assuming that the prestige classes are available for PFS play, which I"m not sure off the top of my head...)

The Calistria boons look pretty sweet. I have a Calistrian who's now 19th-level, and Cha-to-AC is very appropriate. So, the burning question... what does one have to do for one hour per day, exactly?

Also, I second the request for Shelyn's information.

-Matt

So no Szuriel? Bummer oh well, I'm sure I can adapt something from one of the other various war deities.

So no Szuriel? Bummer oh well, I'm sure I can adapt something from one of the other various war deities.

I feel your pain.

Most hilarious line in this book goes to the Poisoned Egg spell:

"The poison reverts to a normal egg at the end of the spell's duration (the reverted egg substance is harmless unless the poisoned creature is vulnerable to eggs).

We need Pathfinder stats for nomes!

Xavier, I'm curious, why are you so interested in the various divine realms?

why not be interested a realm the size of a world that reflects the nature,personality and divine Portfolio of a god. i want to know what lives there(besides the god) what the environment is like what is civilization like and so on.

look at Nocticula's realm(even though it was a small part of it) was that not interesting and that's just one Demon Lord(demigod) here we have 20 gods.

Will there be any supplements that will provide the information for the 3 PRCs for other gods/lesser divinities? I really like what you guys did with the different PRCS and the boons!!

Will there be any supplements that will provide the information for the 3 PRCs for other gods/lesser divinities? I really like what you guys did with the different PRCS and the boons!!

That'd be cool, wouldn't it?

If folks ask for it loud enough, perhaps. At this point, there's no plans to do so though.

EDIT: That was loud enough, frankly. I love this idea so much that I had it earlier in the year but didn't really tell anyone and forgot about it but now it's in the works—for the deity articles we'll continue to be publishing in Pathifinder APs, we'll be including rules for these boons and obediences on the last page of those articles on a deity-by-deity basis. So... Pathfinder #86, for example, will do them for Brigh, and then #89 for Zyphus.

As we continue to do deity articles, we'll add more.

There may be other avenues and opportunities to add more to other deities along the way in other products or things as well. We've got hundreds of deities, and it'll take a long time to cover them all, but we'll get there.

AKA: Thanks for the reminder/suggestion! :-)

I WANT THE MINOR GODS TO HAVE OBEDIENCE'S AND BOONS AS WELL!!!!!!

PLEASE MAKE A SUPPLEMENT FOR THEM!!!!!!

For all the community members who want this as well, favorite this post.

Elrawien Lantherion wrote:

Will there be any supplements that will provide the information for the 3 PRCs for other gods/lesser divinities? I really like what you guys did with the different PRCS and the boons!!

That'd be cool, wouldn't it?

If folks ask for it loud enough, perhaps. At this point, there's no plans to do so though.

EDIT: That was loud enough, frankly. I love this idea so much that I had it earlier in the year but didn't really tell anyone and forgot about it but now it's in the works—for the deity articles we'll continue to be publishing in Pathifinder APs, we'll be including rules for these boons and obediences on the last page of those articles on a deity-by-deity basis. So... Pathfinder #86, for example, will do them for Brigh, and then #89 for Zyphus.

As we continue to do deity articles, we'll add more.

There may be other avenues and opportunities to add more to other deities along the way in other products or things as well. We've got hundreds of deities, and it'll take a long time to cover them all, but we'll get there.

AKA: Thanks for the reminder/suggestion! :-)

You are welcome! I think it is a great idea.

I've been pouring over this on my lunch breaks at work the last two days, and wow, do I love this! I'll have to get a review up soon!

...for that matter, I really need to eventually get around to writing reviews for all of the books I've bought...

I've been pouring over this on my lunch breaks at work the last two days, and wow, do I love this! I'll have to get a review up soon!

...for that matter, I really need to eventually get around to writing reviews for all of the books I've bought...

They released four new books this month; two in the setting line, two in the companion line. No one expects you to write reviews for ALL of them.

Unless you happen to be EZG.

Tirisfal wrote:

I've been pouring over this on my lunch breaks at work the last two days, and wow, do I love this! I'll have to get a review up soon!

...for that matter, I really need to eventually get around to writing reviews for all of the books I've bought...

They released four new books this month; two in the setting line, two in the companion line. No one expects you to write reviews for ALL of them.

Unless you happen to be EZG.

Naw, I meant all of the books I've bought up until now :)

EDIT: That was loud enough, frankly. I love this idea so much that I had it earlier in the year but didn't really tell anyone and forgot about it but now it's in the works—for the deity articles we'll continue to be publishing in Pathifinder APs, we'll be including rules for these boons and obediences on the last page of those articles on a deity-by-deity basis. So... Pathfinder #86, for example, will do them for Brigh, and then #89 for Zyphus.

As we continue to do deity articles, we'll add more.

There may be other avenues and opportunities to add more to other deities along the way in other products or things as well. We've got hundreds of deities, and it'll take a long time to cover them all, but we'll get there.

AKA: Thanks for the reminder/suggestion! :-)

AWESOME....

Not to sound ungrateful....but what's the chance we could get something for the gods who have already had write up's in AP's...like Groetus and Lissala for example ?

The Calistria boons look pretty sweet. I have a Calistrian who's now 19th-level, and Cha-to-AC is very appropriate. So, the burning question... what does one have to do for one hour per day, exactly?

Also, I second the request for Shelyn's information.

-Matt

Sorry I have had a damn cold... I'll start answering your guys question again.

If you guys just want to condense it to post as a reminder it will make it easier on me.

As for the above question...

Calistria obedience is either to engage in sexual activity with another individual in exchange for money, information or another valuable resource. Both parties must be willing. It should be a situation you are comfortable with. Also you must pray to Calistria out loud before and after the act...and should encourage your partner to do the same. Or wrap yourself in yellow silk and lay down mediating on Calistria's teaching and fantasizing about vengeance on somebody that wronged you.

All obedience have two ways to resolve them.

Elrawien Lantherion wrote:

Will there be any supplements that will provide the information for the 3 PRCs for other gods/lesser divinities? I really like what you guys did with the different PRCS and the boons!!

That'd be cool, wouldn't it?

If folks ask for it loud enough, perhaps. At this point, there's no plans to do so though.

EDIT: That was loud enough, frankly. I love this idea so much that I had it earlier in the year but didn't really tell anyone and forgot about it but now it's in the works—for the deity articles we'll continue to be publishing in Pathifinder APs, we'll be including rules for these boons and obediences on the last page of those articles on a deity-by-deity basis. So... Pathfinder #86, for example, will do them for Brigh, and then #89 for Zyphus.

As we continue to do deity articles, we'll add more.

There may be other avenues and opportunities to add more to other deities along the way in other products or things as well. We've got hundreds of deities, and it'll take a long time to cover them all, but we'll get there.

AKA: Thanks for the reminder/suggestion! :-)

Thanks JJ! but after reading this I realized that while future Minor God article will have this stuff, Milani, Besmara, and Groetus, who have already been done, won't get that chance. What would be done for them?

xavier c wrote:

What are the Exalted class abilities

Divine Brand: You get a mark on someplace easily visible that acts has your holy symbol.

Obedience: you must complete your obedince each day or loose all the abilities from the prc including the + level to existing spell casting class.

Scholar: Gain a knowledge skill as a class skill

Vitality: + bonus to Fort Saves and Con checks to stabilize.

Divine Boon: You gain them at levels 3, 6, and 9.

Religious Speaker: +2 Bonus to Bluff, Diplomacy, and Perform(Oratory) Checks while your Divine Brand Visible.

Expanded Portfolio: Gain access to a new domain Counting you Exalted Levels as your cleric levels. The domain spells become spell like ability with Caster Level equal to your exalted level. You have to be able to cast that level of spell normally.

Aspect of Divinity: Gain a trait that reflects your deity. Also gain a permanent protect vs evil/goo/law/chaos...depending on alignment of deity.

Ardent Vision: Gain Detect evil/good/law/chaos at will. Alignment dependent on your deity alignment.

Perform Miracle: 1/Day Lesser Miracle.

I'll get to the spell request when I get the chance.

What are the Sentinel class abilities? and is Lesser Miracle a new spell

The celestial obedience feat itself us in this book correct?

we'll continue to be publishing in Pathfinder APs, we'll be including rules for these boons and obediences on the last page of those articles on a deity-by-deity basis. So... Pathfinder #86, for example, will do them for Brigh, and then #89 for Zyphus.

Yes! Yes! Yes! You have won my continued loyal Subscription sir!

My glorious Evangelist of Zyphus will show the world the folly of the mortal condition!

And my Sentinel of Milani will lead the mob that will tear down the Infernal oppressors!

The celestial obedience feat itself us in this book correct?

This version is called Deific Obedience, but yes.

Finally got my copy in the mail yesterday, huzzah. Looks great, glad to have a lot of the material all collected together in a single book. I was also happy to see that several of the deities have references to the empyreal lords, though some I was mildly disappointed to see a lack of references with (such as Calistria and Arshea, or Irori and Korada). It's nice to see that a fair number of 3.5 material is now officially updated to Pathfinder, as well as a host of new options; many of the channeling feats in particular were quite fun. And I was happy to see that there was a conscious effort to include magic items that are relatively affordable, and many of which seem quite thematic and neat. Though I was also disappointed that the picture of Calistria's whip...was a warhammer.

Incidentally, I am happy to see that the upcoming deity articles will have the various obediences and boons; I think that the obediences are wonderfully full of flavor and thematic for a worshiper to take, and I hope that the deities who aren't the big 20 but have already had their own articles (like Besmara, Milani, Szuriel, and other such) will have a nice blog post, much like the way you provided subdomains for lesser deities way back when they were first introduced, which was definitely cool of you.

That said, I did notice a minor error going through the spells...the Plague Bearer spell is listed as being alchemist 6, antipaladin 6, cleric 6, druid 6, inquisitor 6, sorcerer/wizard 7, witch 6. Considering antipaladins don't get 6th level spells, I figure either antipaladins shouldn't get it, or it should be a 4th level spell for them...not sure which is intended?

Sorry I have had a damn cold... I'll start answering your guys question again.

If you guys just want to condense it to post as a reminder it will make it easier on me.

As for the above question...

Calistria obedience is either to engage in sexual activity with another individual in exchange for money, information or another valuable resource. Both parties must be willing. It should be a situation you are comfortable with. Also you must pray to Calistria out loud before and after the act...and should encourage your partner to do the same. Or wrap yourself in yellow silk and lay down mediating on Calistria's teaching and fantasizing about vengeance on somebody that wronged you.

All obedience have two ways to resolve them.

Thanks a bunch, John. I can't really see this character suddenly becoming a lady of of the night, but the second method, that is totally within her character.

-Joffrey, Cersei, The Hound, Tywin Lannister, Mattastrophic...

EDIT: Oop, I just got a message from a friend of mine who made a correction. Apparently, you're locked into prostitution whenever you can, and can only wrap yourself in yellow silk when you can't sell sex.

-Matt does the Arrested Development sad walk...

AWESOME....

Not to sound ungrateful....but what's the chance we could get something for the gods who have already had write up's in AP's...like Groetus and Lissala for example ?

And Groetus!

(Also, seconding the awesome. Glad to see the lesser gods getting some love.)

Mattastrophic wrote:

The Calistria boons look pretty sweet. I have a Calistrian who's now 19th-level, and Cha-to-AC is very appropriate. So, the burning question... what does one have to do for one hour per day, exactly?

Also, I second the request for Shelyn's information.

-Matt

Sorry I have had a damn cold... I'll start answering your guys question again.

If you guys just want to condense it to post as a reminder it will make it easier on me.

As for the above question...

Calistria obedience is either to engage in sexual activity with another individual in exchange for money, information or another valuable resource. Both parties must be willing. It should be a situation you are comfortable with. Also you must pray to Calistria out loud before and after the act...and should encourage your partner to do the same. Or wrap yourself in yellow silk and lay down mediating on Calistria's teaching and fantasizing about vengeance on somebody that wronged you.

All obedience have two ways to resolve them.

Shelyn and Irori's boons plus obediences are the two request I saw down the thread. Trying to get a sneak peak before Wednesday on Shelyn at least.

Someone also asked for realms of Iomede, Desna and what they have to offer.

James Jacobs wrote:

EDIT: That was loud enough, frankly. I love this idea so much that I had it earlier in the year but didn't really tell anyone and forgot about it but now it's in the works—for the deity articles we'll continue to be publishing in Pathifinder APs, we'll be including rules for these boons and obediences on the last page of those articles on a deity-by-deity basis. So... Pathfinder #86, for example, will do them for Brigh, and then #89 for Zyphus.

As we continue to do deity articles, we'll add more.

There may be other avenues and opportunities to add more to other deities along the way in other products or things as well. We've got hundreds of deities, and it'll take a long time to cover them all, but we'll get there.

AKA: Thanks for the reminder/suggestion! :-)

AWESOME....

Not to sound ungrateful....but what's the chance we could get something for the gods who have already had write up's in AP's...like Groetus and Lissala for example ?

Chances are very slender at this point for that to occur, but I'll keep an eye out for opportunities to do so. In the meantime, you'll need to rely upon your GM for that information.