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It seems like paizo deliberately goes out of its way to make abbreviating product names into acronyms difficult. See the AP line: Serpent's Skull, Skull and Shackles, Shattered Star. I'm probably gonna default to calling this book "The Campaign book" myself though.
The problem with optional rules is that they are shiny and new and everyone wants to use them.No I don't.
That's why they say you only need the core rule book, dungeon masters guide, and the moster beastery to play a game, all other things are optional, but can be fun if used properly.
The cover has orcs! ORCS!!! I knew they will come back with the mass combat rules.
Mass combat rules?
All right :D
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I am very much looking forward to this. I don't give my players downtime often, but when I do they want to do quite a bit. Like work on the courting of someone their character is interested in, run a business, do training, do research. Lots of things.
I could use some rules for managing downtime and the romances in the game. Since I run a homebrew only I don't have the rules for relationships that will be in this. So on the whole with what my group likes to do this book will be a huge boon to me.
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I want this oh-so-damned badly for even just one reason only: "An extensive system for generating character and NPC backgrounds, history, and family, from the son of the farmer to the king’s daughter."
I really want to run a campaign in the Golarion setting, but there's just so much information spread out over so many books, it's hard to keep track of everything that one should know to make a background that fits in the setting.
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I want this oh-so-damned badly for even just one reason only: "An extensive system for generating character and NPC backgrounds, history, and family, from the son of the farmer to the king’s daughter."
I really want to run a campaign in the Golarion setting, but there's just so much information spread out over so many books, it's hard to keep track of everything that one should know to make a background that fits in the setting.
the Rulebook Lines are Setting neutral. this is a background System in general I believe. Not Specifically for Golarion.
I think that that's where this book comes in, Harrison.
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What sort of scale will the wargaming rules be?
I'm not so much on the tactical minatures games, what I'd really like to see is either something like BECMI's fairly large-scale strategy rules or the board game that was one of the original Dragonlance modules that let you track the course of a war across the entire continent month by month.
The mass combat rules in Ultimate Campaign will be the same rules as we debuted in Kingmaker, in Pathfinder #35, but polished up and expanded. As with the kingdom building rules, we've looked at feedback on these boards, as well as actual in-game play from in-house campaigns, and are using that feedback to enhance the rules for appearance in Ultimate Campaign.
A full-scale tactical mass combat game like Warhammer or Battlesystem or something like that is FAR beyond the scope of Ultimate Combat. Something like that would easily be it's own book or own game.
The mass combat rules in Ultimate Campaign are more of a narrative tool to help you quickly resolve such huge battles in your adventures.
EDIT: Looks like I already replied as such upthread, but I'm reposting a slightly more descriptive reply to help folks anticipate what exactly this book will be doing.
I want the book just for the Cover Art... Anyway to just get a poster of the art?
I could see making the Mass Combat rules into something like a Hex-Based Board Game.
Is it April yet?
Abbreviation: UC2 or UCII
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I really enjoy the kingdom building rules for Kingmaker, and my players in two campaigns have found them to be a fun "something different." One thing I would LOVE to see as a GM in any updates would be a way for the cities one builds using kingdom-building rules to generate a stat block like the one Paizo now uses to describe cities in adventures. Right now, the two are totally different. It's kind of like PCs and NPCs having different ability scores with different names, with PCs having "Dexterity" and NPCs having "Agility."
Kingdom-building cities (in Kingmaker) have three stats: Economy, Stability and Loyalty (okay, five: plus Unrest and Defenses).
Regular Paizo cities have six stats: Crime, Corruption, Economy, Society, Lore, and Law.
What I've been doing is:
• Econ = Econ
• Law => Stabilty
• keep Crime as a sub-score of Stability (crime = instability)
• add Loyalty
• keep Corruption as a sub-score of Loyalty (corruption = government disloyalty)
• add Unrest as a sub-score of Loyalty (unrest = public disloyalty)
• keep Lore
• add Defenses
• drop Society
So what's that, 8? Not perfect, but something like this would mean that kingdom-building cities and cities in adventures could use the same stat blocks.
I would rather it be the new Kingdom rules use the 6 attributes of the settlement rules.
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I would rather it be the new Kingdom rules use the 6 attributes of the settlement rules.You know, I'd be fine with that, too. I'd just really like to see the rules unified.
Agreed. & by using the Settlement Stats it means they wouldn't be rendering the GMG's Settlement system obsolete.
I just think ultimate campaign should have a higher page count, something like 320 would be great.
So excited.
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Any chance of getting this cover art as a single standalone high-definition image? This needs to be my new wallpaper/background.
Looks very nice!
I really would like to see the ship combat rules added in a chapter for this book if possible. Those rules always are handy to have.
Ooh! All for that! I've been in a bit of a pirate obsession lately (though I've not been able to get Skulls and Shackles stuff yet due to budget concerns), so it'd be nice to see ship combat stuff. I'm a little sad caravan stuff won't be in, but it's included in the free Jade Regent player's guide, so I doubt that'll be much of a problem. ^_-
Also interested in the story feats ^_^
Ship Combat is in the Skull & Shackles Player's Guide which IIRC is free as well.
& Story Feats sound neat.
This book looks awesome. I'm particularly excited about the expanded Kingmaker Kingdom rules.
As an Adventure Path subscriber, do I get a free PDF copy of this if i preorder it?
I am interested if it will have rules for PCs running shops.
@Curmudgeonly: I agree that the Kingdom rules are that which has me the most excited as well.
Also:
Note: This product is part of the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Subscription.
They had me at story feats;)
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This book looks awesome. I'm particularly excited about the expanded Kingmaker Kingdom rules.
As an Adventure Path subscriber, do I get a free PDF copy of this if i preorder it?
As Azaelas Fayth pointed out, Ultimate Campaigns is part of the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game line of products and you need to subscribe to that product line to get the free PDF.
Wanna say this sound great. And wanna say that, because I dot the thread :)
I really am curious as to how the Mass Combat system is going to work...
My group are using a hexmap with each hex being taken up by a unit that uses modified stat blocks of the soldiers in each.
It works pretty nice. If you make the stat blocks well.
Will there be new crafting rules? The current rules don't really work.
They work. They just require a Smart GM.
There is a thread collecting points of confusion in the crafting rules. This book will try to make some of those more clear, but it has been stated that the existing rules will *not* be changing.
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Two things I hope to see:
Rules for non-government organizations (such as some of the Factions in the Faction Guide and the Schools in Inner Sea Magic); or, at least some means for them to interact with Kingdoms meaningfully.
Rules for scaling Factions. The ones in the Faction Guide are generally all continent-spanning in their reach (throughout the Inner Sea). Some discussion on using the same base mechanics for smaller organizations (such as a noble house with influence limited to one realm, or even a Guild with influence mostly limited to one city) would be nice.
Two things I hope to see:
Rules for non-government organizations (such as some of the Factions in the Faction Guide and the Schools in Inner Sea Magic); or, at least some means for them to interact with Kingdoms meaningfully.
Rules for scaling Factions. The ones in the Faction Guide are generally all continent-spanning in their reach (throughout the Inner Sea). Some discussion on using the same base mechanics for smaller organizations (such as a noble house with influence limited to one realm, or even a Guild with influence mostly limited to one city) would be nice.
EXACTLY! This is what I need.
I saw there are rules for backgrounds and families. Will this give way to stat out children? I have a couple of players that feel like playing younger casters and I'm interested in obliging them.
I saw there are rules for backgrounds and families. Will this give way to stat out children? I have a couple of players that feel like playing younger casters and I'm interested in obliging them.
You could try using the "young" template from the Bestiary.
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Will there be anything about building a castle of one's own?
Will there be anything about building a castle of one's own?
Ooo... Good question!
Dot. I'm really looking forward to this. :D
Will there be anything about building a castle of one's own?Ooo... Good question!
I will third this question/request.
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Well, the description above says:
"From delving deep into your character’s background to exploring life between adventures to building strongholds, attracting followers, and conquering kingdoms, this wide-ranging resource for players and Game Masters greatly expands the scope of characters and campaigns."
So it sounds like maybe yes ...
