Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Ultimate Campaign (OGL)

Why not 2 books and a PDF?

I don't like reading things on the computer for a long period of time. It usualy gives me a headache.

Thats why you only use it for reference. Though really 2 Books & the PRD would be sufficient for reference.

Thats why you only use it for reference. Though really 2 Books & the PRD would be sufficient for reference.

I don't game with electronic aids. I find it faster to reference the book than a PRD. Atleast I can find something in a book faster thanybody I game with finds thing using PRDs.

I also just find lap tops and similair electronics to be more distracting at the table than they aid.

True. It takes some skill not to get distracted. I find having the Books on PDF and limiting who can access the WiFi to be the best way to handle it.

But I tend to use the Search Features and the Index in ways that most people don't.

amazon lists the release date as april 30th...the paizo site lists it as a vague may...is the amazon date correct?

PDF available May 22? OK, what happened to Wednesday?

amazon lists the release date as april 30th...the paizo site lists it as a vague may...is the amazon date correct?

The dates in Amazon rarely are.

I don't know, on the one hand this is one of my most anticipated releases for this year but with the its continuous push backs and so few spoilers I'm a bit worried. I really wish we could get another spoiler so we can start to get an idea of what some of the content in here looks like.

I don't know how long I can hold my party off from taking over the country side under the old kingmaker rules before converting them to the updated rules in this one. I just wish May would get here already. Two more months (minus one day, ships the 17th according to my subscriber page) is just too long!!! I may have to be unavailable to miss a few sessions to delay them :P

I just talked to Jason, and he's going to talk to Jenny today about getting another preview on the blog soon. :)

I just talked to Jason, and he's going to talk to Jenny today about getting another preview on the blog soon. :)

Thanks ^-^. I really hope we get to actually see some of the new mechanics and content to come up in this book and not just the updates to preexisting systems that were just in smaller publications. Also would love to see some of the art assets along with that.

I just talked to Jason, and he's going to talk to Jenny today about getting another preview on the blog soon. :)

Yes, Thanks :D

Why this get pushed back? I see a lot of their products have questionable release dates. There's like 4 books coming out in June for instance. You need to fix it. I thought I was getting this book this week. Very upset now.

I thought I was getting this book this week. Very upset now.

It's only been delayed* a month, hasnt it? What made you think it would be available in March?

Morbius X wrote:

I thought I was getting this book this week. Very upset now.

It's only been delayed* a month, hasnt it? What made you think it would be available in March?

True. This was originally announced as an April release. Not sure how someone could have expected it in March. Regardless, the book has long since been sent to the printer, so I don't foresee the release date getting pushed again, barring any issues with the long boatride back from China...

Really looking forward to this! The only problem is, the campaign I'm in now, needs it NOW lol. Oh well, guess our DM with just muddle on through till the book is published. Can't wait to buy and read it :)

nohar wrote:

amazon lists the release date as april 30th...the paizo site lists it as a vague may...is the amazon date correct?

The dates in Amazon rarely are.

It will probably be even later then April 30th.

Was there a reason for the delay? Just curious.

Seems like things set for release in April never are, is it a hard time of year (or rather, the period of production before April a hard time of year)?

I don't understand why everyone is surprised I haven't seen a hardcover book yet come out on the first release date it is given. It's no big deal, it will come out eventually.

Gimme! Gimme! Gimme!

I don't understand why everyone is surprised I haven't seen a hardcover book yet come out on the first release date it is given. It's no big deal, it will come out eventually.

Actually the GenCon Hardcover is always on time.

Dragon78 wrote:

I don't understand why everyone is surprised I haven't seen a hardcover book yet come out on the first release date it is given. It's no big deal, it will come out eventually.

Actually the GenCon Hardcover is always on time.

Which is probably part of the reason the other releases are usually late, so much time and effort to make sure GenCon stuff isn't late.

Justin Franklin wrote:

Dragon78 wrote:

I don't understand why everyone is surprised I haven't seen a hardcover book yet come out on the first release date it is given. It's no big deal, it will come out eventually.

Actually the GenCon Hardcover is always on time.

Which is probably part of the reason the other releases are usually late, so much time and effort to make sure GenCon stuff isn't late.

GenCon has an absolute fixed deadline. What it takes to make sure you meet it is extra lead time. Better ready a little early than not ready. Pretty strait forward.

Other release dates have more flexibility. While I'm sure they would prefer to release on schedule, if they don't they are not missing a set deadline, just a self imposed one. They could go with later announced release dates for other items if you'd like and make the announced release date 100% of the time. Or try to get them out, as now, at the earliest possible time. Your call. Well, no. It's their call. I'm fine with the way they do it now myself.

@the delay: If Paizo wants to take time to ensure that this product is even more excellent then that's A-ok with me.

@Sean: Please try your best to convince Jason for a preview! But what to preview? It all sounds fantastic.

Really wish we could get another spoiler for this, that one we got last week seemed to have like every single product but this one. It still has me worried.

Have their been any teasers?

Have their been any teasers?

There was that top 10 reasons it's cool list they had like a month or 2 ago but even that was really slim on actual details. The most substantial stuff we managed to get were really that you will have ways to play children and that the iconic cavalier will feature a lot in the chapter art.

lol. Amazon just updated me to say that they're changing the release date to July 11th.

Clearly it's throw another dart at the calendar time for Amazon.com

lol. Amazon just updated me to say that they're changing the release date to July 11th.

Clearly it's throw another dart at the calendar time for Amazon.com

I just saw that. I'm thinking of having a cult spring up in my Kingmaker campaign, all awaiting the day of transformation when all the city building rules will get cleaned up and the world will change for the better, but the prophet keeps pushing the day back. Luckily Kool-Aid hasn't been invented yet.

Maybe this is a good time to ask the creators how big a change the new version of the kingdom building rules will make if applied to a kingdom-in-progress? Are we talking 2nd edition D&D to 3rd, or 3rd edition to Pathfinder? Or am I misinterpreting it to think it's going to be different at all?

thanks!

lol. Amazon just updated me to say that they're changing the release date to July 11th.

Clearly it's throw another dart at the calendar time for Amazon.com

...this is exactly why I don't get my Paizo books from Amazon. I would go crazy waiting for them.

Maybe this is a good time to ask the creators how big a change the new version of the kingdom building rules will make if applied to a kingdom-in-progress? Are we talking 2nd edition D&D to 3rd, or 3rd edition to Pathfinder? Or am I misinterpreting it to think it's going to be different at all?

I'd put it much closer to 3.5-->PF that 2E-->3E. We didn't want to invalidate or rework the system, we just took a look at some of the trouble corners, and added a few more options.

hewhocaves wrote:

lol. Amazon just updated me to say that they're changing the release date to July 11th.

Clearly it's throw another dart at the calendar time for Amazon.com

...this is exactly why I don't get my Paizo books from Amazon. I would go crazy waiting for them.

Since none of the last hardcovers were of much urgency to me, I had no problem waiting a few months to purchase them from Amazon and then they arrived without a problem. Seeing how the Mythic rules will probably release when I am just wrapping up Jade Regent and wanting to start Wrath of the Righteous, I fear I'll have to eat the large shipping costs from the US which happen when I order heavy books from Paizo.

Sean,

Are you able to say how much space has been allocated to clarification of magic item creation?

I noticed you mentioned in another thread about it being 'limited space'. I am hoping that is just a general mention of all of the book has finite (limited) space for different topics, than the magic item clarifications actually having a small amount of space.

As you well know, there have been a lot of questions posed over the years, as well as in the thread you dedicated asking what needs to be addressed. I understand you are not able to address all of what was asked in that thread, but I hope it does get at least a couple of pages in the book and not just a sidebar on one page.

We didn't want to invalidate or rework the system, we just took a look at some of the trouble corners, and added a few more options.

Which is something that I appreciate about Paizo very much, the longevity of the content and systems, can't wait to see the finished product.

Maybe somewhere, sometime we'll see that Stealth skill revision, round 3 :).

Sean,

Are you able to say how much space has been allocated to clarification of magic item creation?
I noticed you mentioned in another thread about it being 'limited space'. I am hoping that is just a general mention of all of the book has finite (limited) space for different topics, than the magic item clarifications actually having a small amount of space

Well, it's both--there's a fixed number of pages in the book, and a fixed number of pages for the section on crafting magic items (which happens to be 6 pages).

Ok, that’s great. I can live with 6 pages. :)

Thanks for the tease, Sean!

Kreniigh wrote:

Maybe this is a good time to ask the creators how big a change the new version of the kingdom building rules will make if applied to a kingdom-in-progress? Are we talking 2nd edition D&D to 3rd, or 3rd edition to Pathfinder? Or am I misinterpreting it to think it's going to be different at all?

I'd put it much closer to 3.5-->PF that 2E-->3E. We didn't want to invalidate or rework the system, we just took a look at some of the trouble corners, and added a few more options.

Well that's going to trouble the eschatological faction for sure.

thanks for the info...

I just saw that. I'm thinking of having a cult spring up in my Kingmaker campaign, all awaiting the day of transformation when all the city building rules will get cleaned up and the world will change for the better, but the prophet keeps pushing the day back. Luckily Kool-Aid hasn't been invented yet.

Maybe this is a good time to ask the creators how big a change the new version of the kingdom building rules will make if applied to a kingdom-in-progress? Are we talking 2nd edition D&D to 3rd, or 3rd edition to Pathfinder? Or am I misinterpreting it to think it's going to be different at all?

thanks!

Haha. We're playing kingmaker as well. About 8th level (about to start book 3). We're looking forward to seeing some of the non-adventuring rules since we're about ready to start making PC strongholds.

Well, we'll see. If amazon decides to be stupid and hold back three months after paizo has it, then i'll just cancel the order.

This book looks really interesting to me. Has there been any preview material for it?

Well this book looks mega-interesting.
So - what is the deal with pre-ordering? Is the PDF included if you pre-order only?
Thankyou :)

Well, we'll see. If amazon decides to be stupid and hold back three months after paizo has it, then i'll just cancel the order.

Is the delay ever that long? I'm still seeing May 22 listed here.

Well this book looks mega-interesting.

So - what is the deal with pre-ordering? Is the PDF included if you pre-order only?
Thankyou :)

You only get the PDF included (for free) if you have a Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Subscription. The link is in the product description above.

hewhocaves wrote:

Well, we'll see. If amazon decides to be stupid and hold back three months after paizo has it, then i'll just cancel the order.

Is the delay ever that long? I'm still seeing May 22 listed here.

Who knows? Maybe they'll just keep failing their sales throw.. erm, saving throw.

Wondering if this is still on schedule? I can't wait to get my hands on this book. Been clamoring for it every since it was announced last year!

It says it'll be available from May 22 for non-subscribers right at the top of the page.

Jaynay27 wrote:

Well this book looks mega-interesting.

So - what is the deal with pre-ordering? Is the PDF included if you pre-order only?
Thankyou :)

You only get the PDF included (for free) if you have a Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Subscription. The link is in the product description above.

Remeber that you can cancel that subscription any time, so you could get it just for this book, or keep it until a book comes out you know you aren't interested in.

Any word on preveiws yet?

Any word on preveiws yet?

I am VERY excited about this book!

It says it'll be available from May 22 for non-subscribers right at the top of the page.

Yeah. I was talking about the actual book. Not the PDF.