Also keep in mind that Paizo.com tries not to undercut a lot of brick and mortar stores, so their prices tend to be steeper on somethings than some other online stores. It might be possible to pick up a case or singles (on the secondary market) for substantially cheaper elsewhere. I know I'm looking at around $2 per miniature on the purchase of the case I'm getting (and that includes shipping and black dragon).
"Standard Boosters contain 1 Medium or 2 Small miniatures."
Wow. I had to read through the discussion to make sure that wasn't a typo.
I love you guys and I really wanted this idea to go well, from when I heard about it on a podcast.
But seriously? $2-4 (not counting shipping, which makes it $3.5-4.5) for 2 plastic figures tops?
No thanks.
Past Wizkids products had more value (and figures) for the buck (and those were slightly larger, with moving parts).
I'll just use old Mage Knight figures off eBay.
Ah, this old chestnut.
There's a whole angry thread about that very topic, by the way. Heck, maybe it was this very thread, I don't feel like searching for it.
All I can tell ya is that the topic has been beat to death, raised, tarred and feathered, incinerated in a wicker man and then true rezzed in order to beat it some more :)
Sadists... Hmmm.
Interesting how you claim it's been beaten to death, yet here you are, still beating, but in the other direction.
Perhaps you think that I'm not allowed my opinion, or maybe that somehow telling me will stop the rest of the gaming public write 34 pages of being offended.
However, as someone who buys almost everything Paizo makes; from my subscriptions, or monthly shipments from Paizo.com (instead of Amazon, which is always cheaper), I think I'm allowed to not like the idea of overpricing something.
Sadists... Hmmm.
Interesting how you claim it's been beaten to death, yet here you are, still beating, but in the other direction.
Perhaps you think that I'm not allowed my opinion, or maybe that somehow telling me will stop the rest of the gaming public write 34 pages of being offended.
However, as someone who buys almost everything Paizo makes; from my subscriptions, or monthly shipments from Paizo.com (instead of Amazon, which is always cheaper), I think I'm allowed to not like the idea of overpricing something.
Not to be nitpicky, but technically Paizo isn't making this product. I suggest directing your anger at Wizkids. Like I will be doing. *shakes fist at Wizkids*
"Standard Boosters contain 1 Medium or 2 Small miniatures."
Wow. I had to read through the discussion to make sure that wasn't a typo.
I love you guys and I really wanted this idea to go well, from when I heard about it on a podcast.
But seriously? $2-4 (not counting shipping, which makes it $3.5-4.5) for 2 plastic figures tops?
No thanks.
Past Wizkids products had more value (and figures) for the buck (and those were slightly larger, with moving parts).
I'll just use old Mage Knight figures off eBay.
Ah, this old chestnut.
There's a whole angry thread about that very topic, by the way. Heck, maybe it was this very thread, I don't feel like searching for it.
All I can tell ya is that the topic has been beat to death, raised, tarred and feathered, incinerated in a wicker man and then true rezzed in order to beat it some more :)
Sadists... Hmmm.
Interesting how you claim it's been beaten to death, yet here you are, still beating, but in the other direction.
Perhaps you think that I'm not allowed my opinion, or maybe that somehow telling me will stop the rest of the gaming public write 34 pages of being offended.
However, as someone who buys almost everything Paizo makes; from my subscriptions, or monthly shipments from Paizo.com (instead of Amazon, which is always cheaper), I think I'm allowed to not like the idea of overpricing something.
Take a look at the price of oil the next time you look in the paper.
The reason I say that is that oil is the base material for plastic and paint. Both of which go into the manufacturing or pre-painted plastic miniatures.
Notice how the price of oil goes up and down (mostly up)at the whim of some foreign oil tycoon turd with a turbin.
$3.50 to $4.50 for 1 or 2 pre-painted plastic RPG miniatures is a VERY good deal in my book considering you have the choice to buy a booster with 1 - 2 minis in it or buy more if you wanted more miniatures. With D&D minis you were forced to buy 6 - 8 minis in a booster.
Lookin forward to tomorrow's preview.
:)
Yes! Just got my subscription!
Love the Goblins......
Look like gremlins on speed!!!
It appears two of the pics are different angles of the same goblin; so we've got two more we haven't seen yet. I love the lunatic appearance of these little guys!
Regards,
V
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David, not sure where you're coming up with $400. We wouldn't have Pathfinder pre-painted minis at all if they weren't random. While I love the Reaper metal minis its nice to have PPMs too. But, I definitely understand your concern. You should see plenty of shop owners that do just what you're suggesting. Plus, both Paizo and other third party sites will be selling singles.
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Have to agree that Random is a bad thing here. Shop owners would be better off opening them all up and selling them that way. 4 bucks ain't bad at all considering the quality, but I want to know I'm not going have to drop 400 bucks to get that one troll I need to run that adventure.
If you are just looking for a Pathfinder Troll, there will be many retailers including Paizo selling singles. But if you want a full set buying a case is the way to go. Plus if Paizo still has them, you can get one those Huge Black Dragons. The single pricing will likely be high, especially the rares.
Later,
Mazra
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Updated Pres man's lists
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Huge, Special:
Updated Pres man's lists
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Also, Human Ranger and Ettin.
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If one small goblin is rare, and all smalls are packed in twos, then there is another small rare out there.
Also, I think it would be safe to assume that the gargoyle, werewolf and minotaur are their normal sizes from the Bestiary.
either that or you won't always get the same smalls packaged together. maybe gnome/rat, maybe gnome/goblin possibly?
Have to agree that Random is a bad thing here. Shop owners would be better off opening them all up and selling them that way. 4 bucks ain't bad at all considering the quality, but I want to know I'm not going have to drop 400 bucks to get that one troll I need to run that adventure.
Once again.....without mini randomization this venture would'nt be possible.
Its the only way its financially feesable to release a line of minis and sell each mini equally.
Instead of having non-randomized minis and a warehouse full of the lesser desirable minis.
Again, they are going to release some non-randomized minis for the adventure paths next year.
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I'd like to say that it is now October, so now in my mind we are one month closer to the release of this awesome product.
Cue the chorus: ONE MONTH CLOSER!
i am not sure if this was asked, but i have not seen it on any of the post that i have saw. is the case going to have a list telling you what minis are in the set? granted i know that buying a case i have like a 99% chance at getting a full set but there is always a chance that i could be missing 1 or 2 of the rares. and it would be nice that while i am opening them i could look at the list and check them off as i open it.
I'd guess there will be check lists. Gotta catch'em all!
If the Bestiary 2 had one, I'm sure the minis will get them, too.
I want your day job. Or whatever it is that allows you to have that level of expendable income.
The "no mate, no kids" thing seems to be all the rage. That opens up copious amounts of disposable income.
Add to that "non-smoker", and you suddenly have another big wad of cash burning holes in your wallet (as opposed to stinking cancer sticks burning holes in your furniture and lungs).
Not having a thing for Starbucks Wireless, oh, wait, sorry, *Coffee* or regular benders in expensive clubs or stuff like that is another thing.
Add those all together with a half-decent job, and you'll find yourself in dire need of more than just two cases of this to prevent your money to be wasted on crap like retirement provision or emergency stashes.
;-P
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i am not sure if this was asked, but i have not seen it on any of the post that i have saw. is the case going to have a list telling you what minis are in the set? granted i know that buying a case i have like a 99% chance at getting a full set but there is always a chance that i could be missing 1 or 2 of the rares. and it would be nice that while i am opening them i could look at the list and check them off as i open it.I'd guess there will be check lists. Gotta catch'em all!
If the Bestiary 2 had one, I'm sure the minis will get them, too.
Waiting on a response from Paizo here. But if I had to guess, there will likely not be a Check List with the boosters, due to the size of the individual booster boxes and the low number of miniatures per box. However, I could see Paizo offering an on-line Check List for their rabid minis customers. ;)
Later,
Mazra
I want your day job. Or whatever it is that allows you to have that level of expendable income.The "no mate, no kids" thing seems to be all the rage. That opens up copious amounts of disposable income.
Add to that "non-smoker", and you suddenly have another big wad of cash burning holes in your wallet (as opposed to stinking cancer sticks burning holes in your furniture and lungs).
Not having a thing for Starbucks Wireless, oh, wait, sorry, *Coffee* or regular benders in expensive clubs or stuff like that is another thing.
Add those all together with a half-decent job, and you'll find yourself in dire need of more than just two cases of this to prevent your money to be wasted on crap like retirement provision or emergency stashes.
;-P
Yeah, being a single, healthy, employed college graduate has some perks.
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I want your day job. Or whatever it is that allows you to have that level of expendable income.The "no mate, no kids" thing seems to be all the rage. That opens up copious amounts of disposable income.
Add to that "non-smoker", and you suddenly have another big wad of cash burning holes in your wallet (as opposed to stinking cancer sticks burning holes in your furniture and lungs).
Not having a thing for Starbucks Wireless, oh, wait, sorry, *Coffee* or regular benders in expensive clubs or stuff like that is another thing.
Add those all together with a half-decent job, and you'll find yourself in dire need of more than just two cases of this to prevent your money to be wasted on crap like retirement provision or emergency stashes.
;-P
Reading your replies is often a treat! Thanks KaeYoss.
Later,
Mazra
I want your day job. Or whatever it is that allows you to have that level of expendable income.The "no mate, no kids" thing seems to be all the rage. That opens up copious amounts of disposable income.
Add to that "non-smoker", and you suddenly have another big wad of cash burning holes in your wallet (as opposed to stinking cancer sticks burning holes in your furniture and lungs).
Not having a thing for Starbucks Wireless, oh, wait, sorry, *Coffee* or regular benders in expensive clubs or stuff like that is another thing.
Add those all together with a half-decent job, and you'll find yourself in dire need of more than just two cases of this to prevent your money to be wasted on crap like retirement provision or emergency stashes.
;-P
I don't have the usual vices like boozing and smokes but I am married with 3 kids and a house.......Thank god my wife is gracious to let me feed my habit.
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I am on the fence about selling my D&D PPMs to Paizo and using the store credit to get a case of Pathfinder minis. The money that's being offered is more than I expected AND would more than pay for a case. I am just a little "iffy" about it. I mean I do want and WotC DID tick me off by not keeping some sets out long enough (in my opinion) to allow people to "catch up" and then changed the game beyond recognition. However, it DID take me a while to get those ones that I do have. I guess my "funk" is all based on the fact that these past few months have been rough financially. I am not looking for advice, by the way. I am just venting.
As far as the product itself, The previews of everything so far look AWESOME! If all else fails, I will just wait until I get the money to get a case when January comes around.
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However, as someone who buys almost everything Paizo makes; from my subscriptions, or monthly shipments from Paizo.com (instead of Amazon, which is always cheaper), I think I'm allowed to not like the idea of overpricing something.
First, thanks for your support of the company we all love.
As to overpricing, Paizo isn't doing that. The price that Paizo is charging for these figures is right in the ballpark of what other retailers are selling them for. The price of these figures is going to be based on what price WizKids sells them to distributors for.
I'll grant you that they're expensive, but they appear to be high quality. WotC's D&D Minis did get more expensive (and quality suffered) towards the end of the line, and I really have no idea how the new minis that WotC produces will compare in price or quality. I also have no idea what the pricing on the Pathfinder Battles Encounter Packs is going to look like.
I hear a lot of people getting upset that they won't be able to afford to buy a case to get a Huge Black Dragon. I've got thousands of D&D minis, but (as it turns out) I don't have a Huge Black Dragon (Gargantuan yes, Huge no). I've gotten great use out those minis, and had a lot of fun over the years with them, and I've never noticed that I needed to get a Huge Black Dragon until one was announced from WizKids.
My advice is to buy what you can afford, and have fun. If you're able to pick up figures that you want or need at a reasonable price in the aftermarket, then by all means do so. If, at the end of the day, there's a figure or two that you want that you don't have (and can't afford to get), it's no big deal.
There are plenty of DnD minis from earlier sets that I don't have, but I still use the figures I do have from Harbinger and Dragoneye in my games every week, and I'm happy to have what I have.
If the minis you have enhance your game and add fun to the table, terrific. Just don't get so caught up in being angry about the figures, or how they're sold, or that they're pricey or random, that you forget to enjoy them.
Also, never carry on conversations with your minis where other people can overhear. You get funny looks.
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However, as someone who buys almost everything Paizo makes; from my subscriptions, or monthly shipments from Paizo.com (instead of Amazon, which is always cheaper), I think I'm allowed to not like the idea of overpricing something.First, thanks for your support of the company we all love.
As to overpricing, Paizo isn't doing that. The price that Paizo is charging for these figures is right in the ballpark of what other retailers are selling them for. The price of these figures is going to be based on what price WizKids sells them to distributors for.
I'll grant you that they're expensive, but they appear to be high quality. WotC's D&D Minis did get more expensive (and quality suffered) towards the end of the line, and I really have no idea how the new minis that WotC produces will compare in price or quality. I also have no idea what the pricing on the Pathfinder Battles Encounter Packs is going to look like.
I hear a lot of people getting upset that they won't be able to afford to buy a case to get a Huge Black Dragon. I've got thousands of D&D minis, but (as it turns out) I don't have a Huge Black Dragon (Gargantuan yes, Huge no). I've gotten great use out those minis, and had a lot of fun over the years with them, and I've never noticed that I needed to get a Huge Black Dragon until one was announced from WizKids.
My advice is to buy what you can afford, and have fun. If you're able to pick up figures that you want or need at a reasonable price in the aftermarket, then by all means do so. If, at the end of the day, there's a figure or two that you want that you don't have (and can't afford to get), it's no big deal.
There are plenty of DnD minis from earlier sets that I don't have, but I still use the figures I do have from Harbinger and Dragoneye in my games every week, and I'm happy to have what I have.
If the minis you have enhance your game and add fun to the table, terrific. Just don't get so caught up in being angry about the figures, or...
also never let them catch you playing with your minis like G.I. Joes.
At first theres an awkward silence......and then a sigh of dis-approval.....
And then my wife smiles really big......because I just handed over the credit card.
So it all works out in the end, with me working a butt-ton of overtime to cover her shopping sprees. :)
A video of Lisa tearing into the first boxes would be great.
From the latest blog:
COMMON CREATURES
Goblin Warrior
Goblin Hero
Dire Rat
Gnome Fighter
Orc Brute
Orc Warrior
Skeleton
Watch Guard
Watch Officer
Lizardfolk Champion
Zombie
Giant Spider
Wolf
This is shaping up to be a very nice set. Kudos to Paizo for the previews and releasing the set list in advance of the release!
Regards,
V
The painted version of the orcs will be interesting to see.
The painted version of the orcs will be interesting to see.
Those hussies!
Will we/ could we get a video of the unveiling of the large and standard boosters when the figures are ready? Much like the beginner box. Just wondering...
Bah. I demand a video of the unveiling of a whole case! ;-P
Any plans to release previews of the individual minis?
I greatly enjoyed this when WotC did this. Once a week they would post a picture of 1-3 minis from the upcoming set.
(I also enjoyed the previews that the now defunct ddmspoilers site hosted.)
I find that the posting of the minis builds up excitement towards the release of the set.
Any plans to release previews of the individual minis?
They've been doing that each Friday on the blog. Or were you hoping for something different? I'm not familiar with what WotC did.
The painted version of the orcs will be interesting to see.Those hussies!
Hey, Orcs take it, where they can get it.
Exhibit A: half-orcs.
I rest my case.
Thats all she wrote.
The Fat lady has sung. And blah dee blah dee.
Is it next friday yet?
Any plans to release previews of the individual minis?They've been doing that each Friday on the blog. Or were you hoping for something different? I'm not familiar with what WotC did.
Thanks, I was not aware they were doing that.
Having reviewed the latest mini preview... I see what they have done to orcs. And its awesome! Orcs have been bastardized in so many ways my so many mini makers. I have seen orcs that look like goblins, trolls and gremlins. These orcs though, far exceed what I was expecting. In my books, the only ones who have ever done orc minis justice has been Reaper. WotC made a few decent sculpts, but painting them purple hardly made them look decent. These new orc scuplts rival Reaper's and I am now even more excited about this line!