Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Bestiary (OGL)

Erik Mona wrote:

Ladies and gentlemen, as of about an hour ago, the Pathfinder RPG Bestiary is AT THE PRINTER!!!

Congrats to the entire Paizo staff for helping out with this mammoth project, and to all of the great writers and artists who helped to make what I truly believe is the best monster book ever published for a fantasy RPG.

It is really, really amazing.

So, does this move the release date back to September? :::crosses fingers:::

I suppose then that the answer is "No"?

Kevida wrote:

Erik Mona wrote:

Ladies and gentlemen, as of about an hour ago, the Pathfinder RPG Bestiary is AT THE PRINTER!!!

Congrats to the entire Paizo staff for helping out with this mammoth project, and to all of the great writers and artists who helped to make what I truly believe is the best monster book ever published for a fantasy RPG.

It is really, really amazing.

So, does this move the release date back to September? :::crosses fingers:::

I suppose then that the answer is "No"?

The answer is that we don't know. Printing books and shipping them to the US is not an exact science. It can take from 6 to 8 weeks. If the printer gets the books here in six weeks, then it will be a September release. If it is 8 weeks, then the book slips to October. We won't have a good idea about which of those is right until sometime in early September.

-Lisa

The answer is that we don't know. Printing books and shipping them to the US is not an exact science. It can take from 6 to 8 weeks. If the printer gets the books here in six weeks, then it will be a September release. If it is 8 weeks, then the book slips to October. We won't have a good idea about which of those is right until sometime in early September.

-Lisa

Why thank you, Ms. Stevens! :-) Either way, if the Bestiary is a tenth as good as the PFRPG Beta (and by extension, the "finalized" core rules) then it will still be amazing and well worth the wait!

So, if anyone in the Paizo staff took my questions as complaining please don't think that it was. I was just curious (I have a chimp for an avatar, afterall!).

Will there be a PDF?

Will there be a PDF?

Yes, and you get it free with your hardcover if you subscribe to the PFRPG line!

Hate to say it, but fingers crossed that it slips to October. Two $60+ shipments in a row will possibly kill me.

James Jacobs wrote:

What it probably means is that, for monsters appearing in the adventures that don't have their stats fully printed out, we'll preview those pages on paizo.com or something like that. We're not 100% sure how we'll work this out yet, but it WILL have some sort of similar solution.

Don't forget about the PFS scenarios :)

Josh tells me the August PFS Scenarios will include full stat blocks for all monsters. Hopefully it won't be an issue for the September ones.

I've removed some posts. Please do not advocate piracy on our boards, especially with intent to commit it.

I've removed some posts. Please do not advocate piracy on our boards, especially with intent to commit it.

Yeah, I just clicked to edit the quotes out of mine and they were gone. Ya beat me to the punch. :-D

People just don't get that if you don's support the industry - there will be no industry. Now, I understand if someone doesn't have the money - but Paizo gave a valuable gift to the community in the form of Pathfinder Beta, as well as some free adventures etc. That should be respected.

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People just don't get that if you don's support the industry - there will be no industry. Now, I understand if someone doesn't have the money - but Paizo gave a valuable gift to the community in the form of Pathfinder Beta, as well as some free adventures etc. That should be respected.

Exactly...I have an Uncle that worked for a video game company that made excellent games, but as costs increased, and revenue decreased both due to the rise in piracy AND the used game market, the office was eventually reduced. He was lucky and was side-moted over to another facet of the company that works on something he says is neat, but we all know nothing can be as cool as working on video games at this particular company.

Now, I understand if someone doesn't have the money

No dollars here, only Bulgarian money

nightflier wrote:

Now, I understand if someone doesn't have the money

No dollars here, only Bulgarian money

Mate, I live in Serbia. You live in European Union.

Teodor Kalamov wrote:

nightflier wrote:

Now, I understand if someone doesn't have the money

No dollars here, only Bulgarian money

Mate, I live in Serbia. You live in European Union.

The euro fonds will come in 2012, and in this crisis, everything is expensive.

I live in Poland, we will switch to EUR in 2012 too, life is a beach, USD-PLN exchange ratio swings like Nic Logue on a trapeze, shipments from US take 3-4 weeks and get lost sometimes, but still, despite all, Paizo gets my support. Never before I was treated so fairly by any company, never before did my feedback make any influence, never before had I my emails answered by the CEO, never before had my gaming $$$ such a great value.

I live in Poland, we will switch to EUR in 2012 too, life is a beach, USD-PLN exchange ratio swings like Nic Logue on a trapeze, shipments from US take 3-4 weeks and get lost sometimes, but still, despite all, Paizo gets my support. Never before I was treated so fairly by any company, never before did my feedback make any influence, never before had I my emails answered by the CEO, never before had my gaming $$$ such a great value.

Besides.... wish I had dollars.... well, have only 20$.... or so.... wished only that the shipment would be free.... damn crisis, everything is at least 40 dollars...

Of course, if the PDF is cheap, say $10, I would gladly download it, but I always like to have a material RPG book in my hands (not that I have one, all others PDFs.... I would feel better with a material one though, I like Pathfinder Chronicles as a PDF, but I would like it more as a material one, but all are expensive, even 4th edition ain't that expensive)

Of course, if the PDF is cheap, say $10, I would gladly download it, but I always like to have a material RPG book in my hands (not that I have one, all others PDFs.... I would feel better with a material one though, I like Pathfinder Chronicles as a PDF, but I would like it more as a material one, but all are expensive, even 4th edition ain't that expensive)

I do not know what the present plans are for Paizo regarding the PDF-only price point for the Bestiary. I think that may largely depend on how well the PDF does (asides from the subscribers' copies) for the Core Rules. As always, until a Paizo staffer chimes in on the subject ...

Now I am going to ask a VERY bumb question. I have this item on subscription as well as the Adventure Paths. I chose to have things shiped in groups to save shipping costs. Now my question is; if the physical item comes in but I am waiting for the other items to come in before it is shipped to me, do I still get access to the PDF at the regualr time or do I have to wat for the shipment to process?

You have to wait, you get access to the PDF when the product officially ships.

You have to wait, you get access to the PDF when the product officially ships.

So if something officially ships on (hypothetically) the 12th of the month (whatever month that might be) but I have held off on having it shipped because I wanted to have everything that month shipped together (Let's say the other stuff doesn't ship until the 17th) because I chose to save on shipping cost, I would have to wait for the other stuff to officially ship on the 17th in order for me to access the PDF that was released on the 12th, correct?

Dark_Mistress wrote:

You have to wait, you get access to the PDF when the product officially ships.

So if something officially ships on (hypothetically) the 12th of the month (whatever month that might be) but I have held off on having it shipped because I wanted to have everything that month shipped together (Let's say the other stuff doesn't ship until the 17th) because I chose to save on shipping cost, I would have to wait for the other stuff to officially ship on the 17th in order for me to access the PDF that was released on the 12th, correct?

I am not complaining I am just wanting clarification.

That is correct. We also do not charge you for any products until they ship.

Kevida wrote:

Dark_Mistress wrote:

You have to wait, you get access to the PDF when the product officially ships.

So if something officially ships on (hypothetically) the 12th of the month (whatever month that might be) but I have held off on having it shipped because I wanted to have everything that month shipped together (Let's say the other stuff doesn't ship until the 17th) because I chose to save on shipping cost, I would have to wait for the other stuff to officially ship on the 17th in order for me to access the PDF that was released on the 12th, correct?

I am not complaining I am just wanting clarification.

That is correct. We also do not charge you for any products until they ship.

Okay than you for the clarification! :-)

Yep as Ross said. I have had it happen to me a few times, not often and typically at most I have to wait a few days to a week. i think the longest was like 10 days. Which sucked but considering how much is saves me I find it is worth it.

Yep as Ross said. I have had it happen to me a few times, not often and typically at most I have to wait a few days to a week. i think the longest was like 10 days. Which sucked but considering how much is saves me I find it is worth it.

And nowadays (at least here in the U.S.) you need to save all the money that you can. Of course doing something as frivolous as subscribing to RPG material is not exactly a smart way to cut expenses! (I'm making fun of myself, by the way)

So...the Core book PDF is being delayed until release date due to adding inernal hyperlinks and what not (genius idea, by the way). Will the Bestiary's PDF be getting the same treatment?

So...the Core book PDF is being delayed until release date due to adding inernal hyperlinks and what not (genius idea, by the way). Will the Bestiary's PDF be getting the same treatment?

Here's hoping :)

Dark_Mistress wrote:

Yep as Ross said. I have had it happen to me a few times, not often and typically at most I have to wait a few days to a week. i think the longest was like 10 days. Which sucked but considering how much is saves me I find it is worth it.

And nowadays (at least here in the U.S.) you need to save all the money that you can. Of course doing something as frivolous as subscribing to RPG material is not exactly a smart way to cut expenses! (I'm making fun of myself, by the way)

But if we don't spend our money on our RPG stuff, there won't be any...that's why even through 3 1/2 months of unemployment I never let my Pathfinder subscription drop...I've had to skimp on lots of other stuff...but I support Paizo...

If you don't spend money on the places YOU love during economic downturns, they won't be there when the money returns...

Kevida wrote:

Dark_Mistress wrote:

Yep as Ross said. I have had it happen to me a few times, not often and typically at most I have to wait a few days to a week. i think the longest was like 10 days. Which sucked but considering how much is saves me I find it is worth it.

And nowadays (at least here in the U.S.) you need to save all the money that you can. Of course doing something as frivolous as subscribing to RPG material is not exactly a smart way to cut expenses! (I'm making fun of myself, by the way)

But if we don't spend our money on our RPG stuff, there won't be any...that's why even through 3 1/2 months of unemployment I never let my Pathfinder subscription drop...I've had to skimp on lots of other stuff...but I support Paizo...

If you don't spend money on the places YOU love during economic downturns, they won't be there when the money returns...

Here Here!

So...the Core book PDF is being delayed until release date due to adding inernal hyperlinks and what not (genius idea, by the way). Will the Bestiary's PDF be getting the same treatment?

That would certainly make a lot of sense! (As in... probably so!) :)

Yep I have had to cut back on a few things as well. Our roommate decided to move out, little one came along and is 16 months old now, and we are paying her portion of the mortgage. All three of our names are on the mortgage but it comes out to an extra $1000 my wife and I have to come up with, with the added expenses of the our little one.

But still keep supporting Pazio although I did have to cut back on the Maps subscription for now.

They just put out to great of material!

Pazio should come up with a cash for clunkers thing. :O) 4E books (clunkers) for Pazio stuff. :O) Joking but at any rate great job Pazio!

Sean

Did it get bumped from a Sept to an October release? I'm asking bevause in the back off the PFRPG vore book it's announced as a Sept release

I'm personally hoping that this makes it in sep or my october bill will be $200, even it out to $100 and $100 or so. I have to say, its awesome that you are offering PDFs as well. I wish I got better results pulling the map images into maptool though.

Sooner is better for sure.

Did it get bumped from a Sept to an October release? I'm asking bevause in the back off the PFRPG vore book it's announced as a Sept release

Yes, it was rescheduled to October. This was after the Core Book was printed.

Kevida wrote:

So...the Core book PDF is being delayed until release date due to adding inernal hyperlinks and what not (genius idea, by the way). Will the Bestiary's PDF be getting the same treatment?

That would certainly make a lot of sense! (As in... probably so!) :)

Okay cool! I am looking forward to it!

Looking at the list of Bestiary critters that introduces the Bonus Bestiary, it appears that the Agathions (leonal, avoral, etc.) got skipped...is this an oversight, or did they get pushed out to Bestiary 2?

I can't wait for this to come out.

Looking at the list of Bestiary critters that introduces the Bonus Bestiary, it appears that the Agathions (leonal, avoral, etc.) got skipped...is this an oversight, or did they get pushed out to Bestiary 2?

Agathions (along with axiomites, inevitables, proteans, daemons, demodands, and a few other planar races) are not in the Bestiary, but are very likely to show up in Bestiary 2.

Agathions (along with axiomites, inevitables, proteans, daemons, demodands, and a few other planar races) are not in the Bestiary, but are very likely to show up in Bestiary 2.

Which also explains why the abovementioned critters aren't on the core summon monster lists...but why did the genies get dropped from summon monster?

James Jacobs wrote:

Agathions (along with axiomites, inevitables, proteans, daemons, demodands, and a few other planar races) are not in the Bestiary, but are very likely to show up in Bestiary 2.

Which also explains why the abovementioned critters aren't on the core summon monster lists...but why did the genies get dropped from summon monster?

Because genies have powers that go beyond what a summon monster spell can do. I'm not even talking about wish, here, but things like plane shift at will and the like. They're too good for idle summoning. We wanted genies to be things that you call in with spells like planar ally and planar binding; spells that can conjure genies but take more time and cost more money to work.

Because genies have powers that go beyond what a summon monster spell can do. I'm not even talking about wish, here, but things like plane shift at will and the like. They're too good for idle summoning. We wanted genies to be things that you call in with spells like planar ally and planar binding; spells that can conjure genies but take more time and cost more money to work.

Hmm. The spell description says right on p. 352 that summoned creatures can't use conjuration, teleportation or planar travel abilities...were you worried about free food and clothes from djinni?

Hmm. The spell description says right on p. 352 that summoned creatures can't use conjuration, teleportation or planar travel abilities...were you worried about free food and clothes from djinni?

That's a sort of belt and suspenders situation, on one level; we wanted to cover all our bases, just in case. Although I believe that bit about limiting spell abilities was a late addition.

Honestly, I'm not sure of the rules reasons Jason took genies off the lists, but I do know the flavor reasons, and I'm okay with that: I guess the main reason was simply that we didn't want genies and summon monster/summon nature's ally spells to work together. As part of the mystique that is genie, a little—by setting it up so that you should use other spells to conjure them, it helps make them feel different.

DAUMN!!! ~spoken in a thick Southern drawl~

I always wondered how to spell that. And now I know! And knowing is half the battle!

Seriously, can't wait for this book.

Will the other applicable outsiders have a little sidebar to say they can be summoned using Summon Monster and which level of said spell, like will the leonal have a one line sentence even saying, you can summon the leonal with the spell Summon Monster XI as if it was on the list of summonable creatures, etc.

Will the other applicable outsiders have a little sidebar to say they can be summoned using Summon Monster and which level of said spell, like will the leonal have a one line sentence even saying, you can summon the leonal with the spell Summon Monster XI as if it was on the list of summonable creatures, etc.

Nope; the summon monster lists are pretty much locked in.

Aw rats, so then its skewed towards the corner alignments, as their the only ones in the book.

vagrant-poet wrote:

Will the other applicable outsiders have a little sidebar to say they can be summoned using Summon Monster and which level of said spell, like will the leonal have a one line sentence even saying, you can summon the leonal with the spell Summon Monster XI as if it was on the list of summonable creatures, etc.

Nope; the summon monster lists are pretty much locked in.

I would think that the direction would be to continue with sidebars in the various supplemental material that says: "For Deity X, this, this and this are substitution monsters for summon monster."

I think they did that in the SD AP for Cayden Caylen(sp).