Will buy it.
I hope they add a PF Dungeon Masters Guide Equivalent also. I really do not want to buy the 3.5 DMG yet again.
It's my understanding that the PFRPG book released in August 2009 will combo the PHB and the DMG.
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Kill for a beta copy? Right Paizo? Fans playtest monsters? Just a thought.
The Bestiary won't have a public playtest. Once we have the Pathfinder RPG rules nailed down, making monsters compatible with those rules will be easy for our guys. Also, since this book is due out *before* the finished RPG, there's really no time for such a thing in the development cycle.
Very interesting, but I was wondering if, at some point in the future, we could see a sample stat block of a monster? I'm curious to know what exactly Paizo has improved on the stats, descriptions, and layout from the WotC manuals.
I would basically just like to know if this book is worth purchasing when I already have 4 monster manuals of 3rd edition sitting on my shelf.
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Ok I'll bite the bullet and ask the question that needs asking.
I already own MM1. Are the critters in here gonna be that different? Probably too early to tell I suppose.
Haha see the post above mine! I'm with ya on that one brotha. I got no problem buying fine paizo products but I'd feel sorta lame if it's too much the same...
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Ok I'll bite the bullet and ask the question that needs asking.
I already own MM1. Are the critters in here gonna be that different? Probably too early to tell I suppose.
Haha see the post above mine! I'm with ya on that one brotha. I got no problem buying fine paizo products but I'd feel sorta lame if it's too much the same...
It's still a bit early to be definitive about such things, but you may want to skim this thread—especially posts from James Jacobs and Erik Mona—to learn a bit more about what we have in mind.
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(this post has been purposely added to this messageboard because I want people to know about Anonycon... and I'm sure everyone is right now reading about the Bestiary...kinda like a public service announcement in the middle of your favorite TV show. Thanks for listening)
Thanks Anonycon! I had a great time in Stamford, CT this past weekend. One bad point at the convention was, sadly, the Pathfinder games I played. The Pathfinder scenarios I palyed at Anonycon just did not encourage roleplay. Judges didn't encourage players to roleplay AND players didn't encourage players to roleplay. Perhaps I just had games with players who did not care about character-to-character emotions, intrigue, conversation, and personality. The players themselves were very friendly though. I must applaude Anonycon for the NON-Pathfinder games: These "Anonycon Original" Scenarios that were written and judged by Anonycon Staff were far FAR superior to the Pathfinder Scenarios despite the excellent writing in the Pathfinder Modules. Anonycon Judges were excellent Roleplayers and Storytellers, intimately familiar with the adventures and world even when it was not there own game world. They filed in the blanks, improvised NPCs, made each combat not just tactical but as exciting as dramatic cinema, and got players to bust out of their shells and roleplay creatively with NPCs and PCs alike. Bravo Anonycon!!
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The Pathfinder scenarios I palyed at Anonycon just did not encourage roleplay. Judges didn't encourage players to roleplay AND players didn't encourage players to roleplay.
To continue the off-topicness, since the post can't be moved, is this why you canceled on my game this weekend? In either case, I'm sorry you didn't enjoy PFS. At cons especially the nature of the 4 hour time slot sometimes pressures GMs into running what's written and only that for fear of running out of time. Hope you give it another shot.
Wish i had it already!
I can't imagine that it wouldn't be
how many new monsters are included in this beauty ? as i play ad&d 1st ed. and convert back .... i have alot of the originals already. please tell me there is at least 50 percent new. PLEASE PLEASE
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how many new monsters are included in this beauty ? as i play ad&d 1st ed. and convert back .... i have alot of the originals already. please tell me there is at least 50 percent new. PLEASE PLEASE
You may want to read this thread.
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As my good school teachers taught me, July comes before August, which means this book will come before the official nonBeta release of Pathfinder mechanics/rule -which seems to imply that the mechanics of the Bestiary will not contain/incorporate said mechanics.
Is that true?
I, for one, hope not. I love the mechanics of Beta/Pathfinder and would love a Bestiary that incorporates all of those rules.
As my good school teachers taught me, July comes before August, which means this book will come before the official nonBeta release of Pathfinder mechanics/rule -which seems to imply that the mechanics of the Bestiary will not contain/incorporate said mechanics.
Is that true?
I, for one, hope not. I love the mechanics of Beta/Pathfinder and would love a Bestiary that incorporates all of those rules.
The Pathfinder Besiary WILL incorperate the rules from the Pathfinder RPG Rules that come out a month afterwards. It is just that making monsters is slightly easier than getting the rules all bundled up and together.
Well it has been said elsewhere i cant recall which thread, but The PFRPG is a much bigger book and it will be finished in house before the monster book goes to first...the rules will be solid and done. They will take more time on the layout of the core book as well as shipping times and making sure it has time to clear customs
As for why well cost mostly. They have a few books coming out in one month the AP and the core...thats a alot of upfront outgoing cash for one month. Adding a 3rd large book to the same outgoing cost that month could be bad. I would go as far to say that it could put them in a financial tight spot . So they need to brake up the cost of printing it all at once..How is easy the beastiary needs to be printed in another month, before or after....I think before is a good call.
Am sure some one else can tell you better but thats a gist of it I think.
The greatest monsters of fantasy gaming come alive in the very first hardcover release for Paizo’s new Pathfinder Roleplaying Game!
why before the 3.75 out did the bestiary will not match 3.75 rpg hard cover release 1 mounth later if yes you start to do like wizard of the coast let go things out before real rules or maybe the bestiary is adapted to those rules 3.75
thnaks to answer my question
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As for why well cost mostly. They have a few books coming out in one month the AP and the core...thats a alot of upfront outgoing cash for one month. Adding a 3rd large book to the same outgoing cost that month could be bad. I would go as far to say that it could put them in a financial tight spot . So they need to brake up the cost of printing it all at once..How is easy the beastiary needs to be printed in another month, before or after....I think before is a good call.
What he said. :)
-Lisa
So is this going to be all the monsters from Pathfinder mag.?
No. This is basically the "Pathfinderization" of most of the monsters in the Monster Manual plus a few more added in.
Just one question: I've been thinking of getting a copy of the Tome of Horrors I. Just how much from ToHI will be showing up in this book?
If it's half or more, I might as well forget about ToH and just get this.
Off your question, but to consider: Eric, hopefully we're going to see a Pathfinder ToH from Necromancer in the future. Feelers have been sent out, pleas have been made, hints have been dropped...
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Just one question: I've been thinking of getting a copy of the Tome of Horrors I. Just how much from ToHI will be showing up in this book?
If it's half or more, I might as well forget about ToH and just get this.
I'm pretty sure you can think of this as the SRD monsters (minus some flukes) with an occasional guest appearance from other sources, most notably the ToH.
So my advise is by them both and support the edition you love!
Flukes are being left out of the Pf Bestiary!?!?
Flukes are being left out of the Pf Bestiary!?!?
Those poor, poor whales....
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I really appreciate the artwork from Paizo's Pathfinder series and expect to be equally appreciative of the Bestiary artwork. I'd also be very appreciative of monster/creature counters that use that artwork on heavy cardstock akin to what is used for Flip-Mats.
Just in case you're wondering.
Off your question, but to consider: Eric, hopefully we're going to see a Pathfinder ToH from Necromancer in the future. Feelers have been sent out, pleas have been made, hints have been dropped...
...torture devices have been pulled out, threats have been made, begging has continued,...
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So with the "Non-SRD" monsters being not included, will there be equivalent critters with different names (Illithids called another name, et cetera)?
"Re-inventing" the mindflayers the way goblins were re-invented for Pathfinder #1 would be potentially very cool, especially if it goes deeper into the Lovecraft references. What do you think?
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So with the "Non-SRD" monsters being not included, will there be equivalent critters with different names (Illithids called another name, et cetera)?"Re-inventing" the mindflayers the way goblins were re-invented for Pathfinder #1 would be potentially very cool, especially if it goes deeper into the Lovecraft references. What do you think?
There's no need to reinvent mind flayers. The intellect devourer is open content, and it fills pretty much the same niche as a mind flayer (dwells underground, has psionic powers, eats brains, has slaves, has been part of the game from practically the start, has a name that basically = "feeds on thought and brains").
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There's no need to reinvent mind flayers. The intellect devourer is open content, and it fills pretty much the same niche as a mind flayer (dwells underground, has psionic powers, eats brains, has slaves, has been part of the game from practically the start, has a name that basically = "feeds on thought and brains").
That's a good replacement yes. I sure can live with it in any case, especially after checking Into the Darklands.
They don't have exactly the same feel to me though. I didn't imagine devourers to have an actual society of their own like mind flayers do. I was seeing them more as "lone wolves" hunting preys in the dark (chaotic evil). Probably just me.
Hey, if we're reinventing goblins why not extrapolate with devourers, right? Like I said, I sure think they can fit the bill quite nicely (High Ilvarandin is beyond cool).
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There's no need to reinvent mind flayers. The intellect devourer is open content, and it fills pretty much the same niche as a mind flayer (dwells underground, has psionic powers, eats brains, has slaves, has been part of the game from practically the start, has a name that basically = "feeds on thought and brains").
I respectfully disagree as Ustalagors (Intellect Devourers) are Chaotic and don't have an organized society the way the Illithids (Mind Flayers) do (or that was how it used to be). However that really wasn't my point. I was wondering if ANY Non-SRD critters will have an eqivalent here.
Now that Mr. Hawkshaw though has informed us that Into the Darklands has made Intellect Devourers as Mind Flayers' replacements I have a question. Are Intellect Devourers still quadraped brains or have they become the "octopus men" that the Mind Flayers were and are they a Lawful Society now? I don't own Into the Darklands.
The hardcopies of the beta playtest rules are sold out, only the pdf is available. (you might get one from some bookseller, but paizo has none left). The pathfinder rulebook due out in August will be the finalized version of these beta playtest rules. So, you will have to either a) print the pdf or b)try to get a used copy or c) wait until August to get the final rule version.
Stefan
EDIT: Sorry for continuing the threadjack, but I think the question needed to be answered right here.