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Here there be monsters!

What is a hero without monsters to vanquish? This 328-page book presents hundreds of different creatures for use in the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game. Within this tome you'll find fire-breathing dragons and blood-drinking vampires, vile demons and shapechanging werewolves, sadistic goblins and lumbering giants, and so much more! Yet not all the creatures in this book are enemies, for some can serve lucky heroes as allies or advisors, be they summoned angels or capricious nymphs. And it doesn't stop there—with full rules for advancing monsters, adapting monsters to different roles, and designing your own unique creations, you'll never be without a band of hideous minions again!

The Pathfinder RPG Bestiary is the must-have companion volume to the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook. This imaginative tabletop game builds upon more than 10 years of system development and an Open Playtest featuring more than 50,000 gamers to create a cutting-edge RPG experience that brings the all-time best-selling set of fantasy rules into the new millennium.

The Pathfinder RPG Bestiary includes:

  • More than 350 different monsters
  • Dozens of monstrous variants to modify creatures and keep players on their toes
  • Numerous lists of monsters to aid in navigation, including lists by Challenge Rating, monster type, and habitat
  • Extensive rules for creating effective and balanced monsters
  • Rules for advancing monsters by hit dice, template, or class level
  • Universal monster rules to simplify special attacks, defenses, and qualities like breath weapons, damage reduction, and regeneration
  • More than a dozen feats tailored especially for monsters
  • Suggestions for monstrous cohorts
  • Two dozen additional animal companions
  • More than a dozen different wandering monster encounter tables
  • ... and much, much more!

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Without Opponents, Combat Sure Wouldn't Be Much Fun!

5/5 —

Bestiaries are Pathfinder's version of the D&D Monster Manuals: reference books containing descriptions and stat-blocks for hundreds of new creatures for PCs to battle, bother, or befriend. They're not designed to be read cover to cover, but that's exactly what I did for this review. The Bestiary weighs in at 327 pages and contains (according to the back-cover) over 350 different monsters arranged in alphabetical order.

The book starts with a two-page Introduction, and it's actually worth reading because it explains what the (28!) different categories of information in a creature's stat block mean. It also introduces the the "Monster Icons" scheme, wherein each monster receives three different icons to visually denote its creature type, terrain, and climate. I like the idea of the icons, but I find them too small and similar to be useful, and I'm not interested in flipping back to page 5 too figure out what they mean. I'm happy just reading the corresponding entries in the stat block.

For monsters, we start with Aasimar on page 7 and run through until Zombie on page 289. This is what the book is all about, but it's a challenging thing to review as my notes are full of bits of scattered remarks about dozens of different monsters. As I can't figure out a coherent way to synthesize them, I'm going to take the unusual tack of just including them as a sort of impressionistic picture of what's in the book. Skim to the bottom for more of the review.

"A"

--aboleths are a lot tougher than CR might indicate!

--Not officially Golarion, but flavour in entries generally compatible

--backdoor cosmology with angels stuff

--really good write-up of Solar Angels

--Army Ant Swarms are pretty nasty!

--like archons--I've never really seen them used outside of summoning, when no RP is involved

--azatas: CG celestials

Bs

--cool how barghests become greater!

--bebiliths: wow, awesome art for an awesome creature!

--bugbear artwork is weird, but fascinating bit on "The Nature of Goblinoid Evil"

Cs

--creepy Choker

--good mixture of animals and various types of monsters

--a lot of classic ones, but some new ones (like chuul) as well

--like history of cyclops and flash of insight power

Ds

--dark folk and dark stalkers?!?! humanoid subtype with language--never heard of them...

--demons! Good, engaging, clear explanation

--don't argue with a balor demon!

--great stories for demons--quasit familiars taking master's souls!

--devils! emphasis on hierarchy

--a good variety of tough foes, with lots of HP and resistances

--great writeup of lemure devils

--fantastic artwork all the way through!

--Devourers are pretty nasty for their CR!

--too many dinosaurs!

--dragons! stat blocks are so long, there's very little description

--driders and drow: underused

E

--elementals

F

--familiar (no idea that was here!)

--froghemoth--really?

G

--gelatinous cubes are really dangerous!

--genies

--love Shaitan genie art

--ghosts: emphasis on story-based customization, 2 page spread

--Giants!

--fun gibbering mouthers artwork

--goblins

--golems

Hs

--half- templates

--occasionally the titles aren't the most intuitive: "Herd animal, bison" for example

--need full stats for combat-trained horses

Is

--intellect devourer--WTF!

Ks

--kytons are cool/creepy

Ls

--lamia artwork is regrettable

--lich: gotta have 'em!

--linnorms are nasty, especially curses and poison!

--lycanthrope template

Ms

--medusas, minotaurs, mimics--all the classics!

--mummy rot sure is nasty!

Ns

-- nagas look dumb

--neothelids are intriguing! need more

--nymphs have cool boons

Os

--Oni need better explanation

Ps

--good amount of player detail for pegasi

Rs

--rakhasa: a lot of potential in the right campaign

--retrievers are scary

--rust monsters!

Ss

--sea hag artwork is great! (and evil eye comatose ability!)

--shadows can be quite more lethal than CR

--touch ACs are so low because of artificial natural armor bonuses, making Alchemists and Gunslingers especially powerful

--shoggoths arent very scary for CR19

--skum have surprisingly interesting write-up

--giant slugs too goofy

Ts

--tarrasque: bad pic, underwhelming

--troglodyte pic is great!

Us

Vs

--vampires: elaborate template

--vargouille's kiss is nasty

Ws

Xs

--xills are awesome!

Zs

--zombie pic is hilarious

Hm, that was embarrassing. Sorry!

After the monster entries are a series of appendices, and these definitely add value to the book.

Appendix 1 is Monster Creation, and it offers a very thorough and clear guide to monster creation. There are a *lot* of moving parts to creating balanced monsters in Pathfinder, so this will take some time until you get the hang of it. Appendix 2 is Monster Advancement, and this is another important part of the book because it shows GMs how to adjust creatures in the book to make them more or less powerful by adding simple templates (like "Giant" or "Young") and by adding racial hit dice or class levels. Appendix 3 is the section of the book I use more than any other, and it's indispensable: Universal Monster Rules. In order to save space and avoid repetition in stat blocks, common monster abilities are fleshed out here: everything from Darkvision to Damage Reduction to Incorporeal and more. Only very, very experienced GMs should try to run creatures just from the stat blocks without remembering to double-check what their monster abilities do, precisely, in the Universal Monster Rules. The same appendix also contains creature Types and Subtypes, which are like packages of basic information that all creatures of a particular category, such as demons or animals, share. Again, this is to save space in stat blocks. Appendix 4 is very short, and provides some advice on Monsters as PCs. I've never used it. Appendix 5 is Monster Feats, though some PCs may actually legitimately use some of them like Craft Construct. If you notice that a monster has a feat you can't find in the Core Rulebook, that's probably because it's listed here. Appendices 6 and 7 list Monster Cohorts (for the Leadership feat) and Animal Companions (for druids and rangers), respectively. Appendices 8-12 are indexes that help a GM who is looking for monsters of a particular type, CR, terrain, etc. Really useful information that most people who just use online databases probably never realized was available. Finally, Appendix 14 contains Encounter Tables broken up by terrain. These include average CRs for an each table, but I still think it'd be foolish to actually roll on them: in a Hill/Mountain, region, for example, your PCs could run into CR 3 orcs or CR 12 fire giants. A party that is challenged by the former would be curb-stomped by the latter. Good random encounter table design needs to have a narrow range of CRs before they become feasible.

I'm not a huge monster guy like some people, but I definitely enjoyed reading the Bestiary and I learned a lot about the core monsters of the setting. I know there are five later books that expand the selection far more, but much of what I see in APs and PFS still draws from this book. Along with the Core Rulebook, it's safe to say that the Bestiary was one of the releases that helped to solidify Paizo's reputation as a company that publishes the highest calibre of RPG books in terms of writing quality, artwork, design, and layout. It's not indispensable since there are multiple websites that present the same information, but for ease of use (and the joy of skimming), the Bestiary is one of those books that every GM should have.

It all starts here babee

5/5 —

One only two books you require to jump in and play Pathfinder, it is the essential meat in the gaming stew. As important and the core rulebook is, it is nothing with out this work.

Expanded and tweaked off the OGL 3.x material, its cleaner, better organized and tweaked for the Pathfinder rules. Every hero needs a foe, every damsel in distress needs a captor, and every GM needs a source of badies to keep the group on their toes. You will find it all here, between these pages is years of destruction and mayhem.

No matter if you playing Pathfinders own setting, one of your own design and creation, or another publishers material, this is the must have companion to your CRB.

They need more monsters

5/5 —

not as useful as the advanced raced guide for the monsters you could play as it does have a lot. i own this and well do my best to keep it hidden from my players. they keep trying to make them fight dragons... they are lvl 5

great reference book

5/5 —

This book has all the monsters you would need on a starting campaine

The standard by which all monster products will be judged by.

5/5 —

By now, there are several Bestiaries out in print, but when this book first came out you arguably needed to own it to play the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game. Was it worth the purchase? Decide for yourself!

Crunch
When we talk about a book's crunch, we're looking at its game rules, mechanics, and similar stats. As a monster book, the Bestiary is 99% crunch, and for Paizo's first real Bestiary, it is absolutely fantastic. There isn't a whole lot you can really say about monster stat blocks; they work perfectly and there aren't any monsters that feel ridiculous for their challenge rating (CR). The book also includes several new races that are appropriate for player characters; in this book, we have aasimars, the tieflings, and drow, as well as the applicable but seldom appropriate deurgar, drow noble, and svirfneblin. The book stays true to the rules of its predecessors; when you look at a drow, you recognize it as a drow from previous games. Because of the significant power up that the core races received these classically "OP" races aren't very far out of line with your traditional player characrers, and as a result we don't see the Level Adjustment system in Pathfinder. If you're unfamiliar with the term, in older editions of Dungeons and Dragons, some races were deemed so powerful that you had to actually forgo class levels in order to be a member of the race. For example, if you wanted to play a drow, you had a LA of +1, meaning that your race counted as 1 class level when determining your party's level. This either meant you were more powerful than your friends or (and more commonly) your GM had you start at a lower level to compensate. And believe me, it is not fun to be a sorcerer of an LA race because of how far behind your party is! The racial benefits seldom made up for the loss of character levels and it was a pretty terrible mechanic all around, so good riddance.

Although the book's theme is classic monsters, Paizo manages to add its own spin on fantasy games by including weird and amazing monsters. A perfect example is the froghemoth, which is basically a giant aberrant frog-monster. As a huge Lovecraft fan, I was ecstatic to see monsters like the shoggoth creep up in Pathfinder as well. For a first Bestiary, the spread of monsters is well-chosen and you could definitely run a game with only this book if you really wanted to.

What probably amounts to the best change of all, in my opinion, is the changes to the rules for building your own monsters. These rules are difficult to comprehend and enact in other games, but the Paizo team does an excellent job of laying out step-by-step every detail in crafting your own monsters by including handy charts and tables. For a game that knew it wasn't launching with much material and that it wanted to be backwards-compatible with older products, it was a very wise choice to streamline monster-making as much as they did and its probably the best reason to keep a copy of Bestiary I in your library alongside future monster tomes. 5 /5 Stars.

Flavor
When we talk about a product's flavor, we're talking about its fiction content, its style, and its overall feel. This section is always very opinionated, because even though I whole-heartily enjoy Lovecraft and his works, there are those who don't like their minds thrust into insanity and the mere sight of a shoggoth or whatnot. When you read the Bestiary, the one thing that becomes very clear is that there simply is not much room for flavor. Most monsters get a paragraph and a half of descriptive text and a beautiful picture, but that's about it. Honestly, however, that's all this product needs. The monsters that are detailed are classic monsters, so the information provided about them tends to be enough that classic gamers can recognize the creature for what it is and new players can get a sense of wonder and learn enough about the monster to be on the same page with the veterans. The art is fabulous in this book and supplements the descriptions perfectly, even when the monster concept is weird text-wise a beautiful illustration helps to sell it to you personally.

The elephant in the room is that Pathfinder wants to have its own identity as much as it wants to follow in the footsteps of its predecessors. This means that every so often the Paizo team completely re-imagines and redefines the traits of a specific monster. Usually this happens to a relatively unknown or under used monster (we'll talk more about this in Bestiary III), but there is one monster in particular that is relatively well-known and got the Paizo makeover in a big way. That monster, which has become Paizo's mascot of sorts, is the goblin. To give a little bit of background, traditionally goblins have admittedly lacked character; they were little more than evil halflings in most settings. Paizo's very first adventure path, Rise of the Runelords, shook this up by drastically changing the image of the goblin; they were now psychotic savages who were obsessed with fire and scared of dogs and horses. They sang Children of the Corn style songs about death and murder and often filled a role as comic relief in many of the adventures they have been featured in while simultaneously managing to inspire fear and terror in many a party. In my experience, you either love or you hate the new look of goblins. Many classic gamers that I've played with deplore the "new" goblin if only for the art design; big heads, small bodies. Honestly, however, it doesn't bother me much; my gaming generation includes Warcraft's techno-suicidal goblins and Warhammer's hordes of insane, suicidal goblins; next to those, Paizo's take on the goblin fits in rather nicely.

For being limited to several paragraphs of text per monster, the Bestiary gives you everything you'd expect and more flavor-wised. Its a book of monsters that feel threatening and believable; there's nothing too dumb or too far out there unless you're a hard-core medieval traditionalist. 5 /5 Stars.

Texture
When we talk about a book's texture, we're talking about its grammar and layout, among other things. As someone who has actually sat down to try and write a bestiary, let's be clear that if there's one thing I get, its that stat blocks are HARD. They're hard to format, they're hard to standardize, they're even hard to spell check because of the sheer amount of text that a book like the Bestiary has. All of its complex jargon, half of it made of surreal naming conventions. With all this mind, if there's one place that the Bestiary is amazing, its the texture. There is almost no errors of any kind in this document. Perfect grammar. Perfect spelling conventions. Perfect formatting. Everything is perfect.

As you can see in the picture I included, the Bestiary breaks from traditional monster books in that it limits one monster page, with only a few exceptions (mostly animals and familiars). There is extreme attention to detail in the text placement, and its very impressive that the book manages to be as descriptive as it is with as little space as it has; almost every monster is illustrated, after all, so not only are you juggling stat blocks, but you're also juggling them with text descriptions and illustrations. This book is a marvel of editing and layout and nothing less. 5 /5 Stars.

Final Score & Thoughts
Crunch: 5 / 5
Flavor: 5 / 5
Texture: 5 / 5
Final Score: 5 / 5

This book does everything right. It is the shining star by which all monster-based products should be judged. For a first attempt, Paizo smashes their monster book out of the park, past all expectations. It makes me excited to start looking at the future Bestiary products.

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Liberty's Edge
Lisa Stevens wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:
Vic Wertz wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:
My order history is now showing the Bestiary due in November! Huh? I thought it was supposed to be October!
We'll ship preorders and subscriber copies in October—the retail release date is early November.
But I thought I did pre-order. Isn't ordering in May 2009 a pre-order?

If you have a preorder through paizo.com, we will more than likely be shipping your Bestiary out next week unless you gave us other instructions, such as waiting to ship it with the next Adventure Path volume, which won't be here until early November.

-Lisa

But the only things that I have on order are the Core book (ordered waaaay back) and the Beastery. I combined these two orders when the Beastery was first announced for August or September (in any case, when it was first announced back in November last) to save on shipping, and thinking it might arrive around my b-day. I too have the shipping date as pending for November. I am not subscribed to anything atm :( (I wish, but...)

Scarab Sages
Lisa Stevens wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:
Vic Wertz wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:
My order history is now showing the Bestiary due in November! Huh? I thought it was supposed to be October!
We'll ship preorders and subscriber copies in October—the retail release date is early November.
But I thought I did pre-order. Isn't ordering in May 2009 a pre-order?

If you have a preorder through paizo.com, we will more than likely be shipping your Bestiary out next week unless you gave us other instructions, such as waiting to ship it with the next Adventure Path volume, which won't be here until early November.

-Lisa

Cool, I ordered mine with the RPG Core Rulebook, and I didn't put any holds on it. I was scared for a second there. Thanks Lisa.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer
Aberzombie wrote:
Vic Wertz wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:
My order history is now showing the Bestiary due in November! Huh? I thought it was supposed to be October!
We'll ship preorders and subscriber copies in October—the retail release date is early November.
But I thought I did pre-order. Isn't ordering in May 2009 a pre-order?

No worries—you did preorder, and it's not really waiting until November. I was just pointing out that the reason you're *seeing* November is that that's the retail release date (not the date that we'll have the book in our warehouse, or that we'll ship it to you). Gary will eventually adjust that bit of code so that it shows the expected date for Paizo instead, which would be a much more useful thing to know...

The books did arrive today; tomorrow we'll be doing prep and dealing with distributor shipments, and we're off Monday for Columbus Day... but we'll begin shipping Tuesday.
Paizo Employee CEO
Arda Badgerhill wrote:
But the only things that I have on order are the Core book (ordered waaaay back) and the Beastery. I combined these two orders when the Beastery was first announced for August or September (in any case, when it was first announced back in November last) to save on shipping, and thinking it might arrive around my b-day. I too have the shipping date as pending for November. I am not subscribed to anything atm :( (I wish, but...)

As Vic said below, we will start shipping orders next Tuesday and yours should go out at that time along with your Core Rulebook. No worries!

-Lisa

Whats the reason for the change from October to November?
Paizo Employee CEO
Twin Dragons wrote:
Whats the reason for the change from October to November?

The books just hit our warehouse. Whenever we ship from China, there is a plus or minus three weeks that can happen. We sent copies out to our distributors today, so there is a chance that the release date could very well hit the end of October. But we won't know until we get everything shipped out. In the meantime, folks who subscribed or order through paizo.com will have their copies shipped next Tuesday, so that is an October release there.

We do our best to anticipate when things will arrive, but things can change and thus we slipped the release date to November, even though it could very well now slip back to October. It is literally a difference between like October 28 and November 4, so you can see that in actual days, it isn't that much of a difference.

-Lisa
Twin Dragons wrote:
Whats the reason for the change from October to November?

The long boat trip from China, literally.

Liberty's Edge
Lisa Stevens wrote:

As Vic said below, we will start shipping orders next Tuesday and yours should go out at that time along with your Core Rulebook. No worries!

-Lisa

Thanks muchly !! :)))))

I just ordered this book tonight. Will I have to wait until closer to November 4th to receive my book or will it ship out next week when the preorders start going out?
Dark Archive
Lisa Stevens wrote:


In the meantime, folks who subscribed or order through paizo.com will have their copies shipped next Tuesday, so that is an October release there.

I'm still a little new to ordering direct through Paizo, but you may rest assured that I will be continuing my subscriptions in perpetuity for as long as my budget will allow.

That said, I'd like to confirm explicitly what is meant here. (I'm a pedant, my apologies) Tuesday being, in this case, Tuesday, 13Oct09. I've not yet gotten my pre-ship notification email, though I understand several to many others have. I'm going to hypothesize that orders are shipped FIFO (First In, First Out) in response to orders?

Thanks in advance for any insight you can provide.

Go Paizo or go home.

*scampers back to her Bastards of Erebus game*
Liberty's Edge
Mikhaila Burnett wrote:
Lisa Stevens wrote:


In the meantime, folks who subscribed or order through paizo.com will have their copies shipped next Tuesday, so that is an October release there.

I'm still a little new to ordering direct through Paizo, but you may rest assured that I will be continuing my subscriptions in perpetuity for as long as my budget will allow.

That said, I'd like to confirm explicitly what is meant here. (I'm a pedant, my apologies) Tuesday being, in this case, Tuesday, 13Oct09. I've not yet gotten my pre-ship notification email, though I understand several to many others have. I'm going to hypothesize that orders are shipped FIFO (First In, First Out) in response to orders?

Thanks in advance for any insight you can provide.

Go Paizo or go home.

*scampers back to her Bastards of Erebus game*

I actually believe they send the emails out randomly some how. Sometimes I get it before people start posting on the forums they were getting the emails other times it seems to be days later. So the reason why I think it is a random response / send out of emails.

Of course could be wrong.

Sean
Vic Wertz wrote:


The books did arrive today; tomorrow we'll be doing prep and dealing with distributor shipments, and we're off Monday for Columbus Day... but we'll begin shipping Tuesday.

Can't you give them an extra day off around Thanksgiving and make them work Columbus day so the beastiaries start shipping out Monday?

Well a guy can dream :)
Scarab Sages

OK, I can wait (impatiently) for my November ship date, as long as...

What's the story on when the PDF will be posted? I always try to have both, and the PDF will allow me to use the content while I wait (impatiently) for the arrival of the Hefty Shiny bits...
Dark Archive
The Grim MacKay wrote:
What's the story on when the PDF will be posted? I always try to have both, and the PDF will allow me to use the content while I wait (impatiently) for the arrival of the Hefty Shiny bits...

Last I heard, it would be out at the same time the books were shipped to retailers.

Paizo Employee Creative Director
The Grim MacKay wrote:

OK, I can wait (impatiently) for my November ship date, as long as...

What's the story on when the PDF will be posted? I always try to have both, and the PDF will allow me to use the content while I wait (impatiently) for the arrival of the Hefty Shiny bits...

If you're a subscriber, you get your PDF when the book ships. Otherwise, you can buy the PDF on the same day as the release date.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer
Toric wrote:
I just ordered this book tonight. Will I have to wait until closer to November 4th to receive my book or will it ship out next week when the preorders start going out?

It will ship sooner rather than later.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer
thenorthman wrote:
Mikhaila Burnett wrote:
Lisa Stevens wrote:


In the meantime, folks who subscribed or order through paizo.com will have their copies shipped next Tuesday, so that is an October release there.

I'm still a little new to ordering direct through Paizo, but you may rest assured that I will be continuing my subscriptions in perpetuity for as long as my budget will allow.

That said, I'd like to confirm explicitly what is meant here. (I'm a pedant, my apologies) Tuesday being, in this case, Tuesday, 13Oct09. I've not yet gotten my pre-ship notification email, though I understand several to many others have. I'm going to hypothesize that orders are shipped FIFO (First In, First Out) in response to orders?

Thanks in advance for any insight you can provide.

Go Paizo or go home.

*scampers back to her Bastards of Erebus game*

I actually believe they send the emails out randomly some how. Sometimes I get it before people start posting on the forums they were getting the emails other times it seems to be days later. So the reason why I think it is a random response / send out of emails.

Of course could be wrong.

Sean

It's neither random nor FIFO. We organize shipments to maximize warehouse fulfillment efficiency, based on the contents of each order, the shipping method, and the destination.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

We've moved up the retail release date to October 21 (and thus the date that the PDF will be available for purchase by non-subscribers). You may not see that change in our own listing for a little while.

Can I still preorder and have it shipped tuesday if I order today?
Vic Wertz wrote:


It's neither random nor FIFO. We organize shipments to maximize warehouse fulfillment efficiency, based on the contents of each order, the shipping method, and the destination.

Ah! Chaos math + algorithms or something. Rockityboom!

Thank you for the answer Vic, my respect for you and your staff continues to build.
Liberty's Edge

Thanks Vic for the clarification...Like I said I could be wrong...and well it wasn't the first time and most definitely not the last. :)

Sean
Paizo Employee CEO
lostpike wrote:
Can I still preorder and have it shipped tuesday if I order today?

Yes.

-Lisa
Scarab Sages
James Jacobs wrote:
The Grim MacKay wrote:

OK, I can wait (impatiently) for my November ship date, as long as...

What's the story on when the PDF will be posted? I always try to have both, and the PDF will allow me to use the content while I wait (impatiently) for the arrival of the Hefty Shiny bits...

If you're a subscriber, you get your PDF when the book ships. Otherwise, you can buy the PDF on the same day as the release date.

OK. But... really? I mean, why wait? I can't see there's any downside to getting the PDF income rolling in sooner rather than later. I seriously doubt anyone who would be motivated to buy the retail hardcover would not do so because they bought the PDF. I know I wouldn't - and I'd love to at least get the PDF this month, instead of waiting till November.

Com'on - consider it anyway!
Paizo Employee Creative Director
The Grim MacKay wrote:

OK. But... really? I mean, why wait? I can't see there's any downside to getting the PDF income rolling in sooner rather than later. I seriously doubt anyone who would be motivated to buy the retail hardcover would not do so because they bought the PDF. I know I wouldn't - and I'd love to at least get the PDF this month, instead of waiting till November.

Com'on - consider it anyway!

The release date of the PDF is locked to the release date of the print copy for many reasons, one of the big ones being that doing so helps to soothe the concept that we're trying to "scoop" the FLGS and other brick and mortar shops by trying to sell the book before they can get it. Basically... we do things this way for various and sundry little business-related reasons.

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The Grim MacKay wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
The Grim MacKay wrote:

OK, I can wait (impatiently) for my November ship date, as long as...

What's the story on when the PDF will be posted? I always try to have both, and the PDF will allow me to use the content while I wait (impatiently) for the arrival of the Hefty Shiny bits...

If you're a subscriber, you get your PDF when the book ships. Otherwise, you can buy the PDF on the same day as the release date.

OK. But... really? I mean, why wait? I can't see there's any downside to getting the PDF income rolling in sooner rather than later. I seriously doubt anyone who would be motivated to buy the retail hardcover would not do so because they bought the PDF. I know I wouldn't - and I'd love to at least get the PDF this month, instead of waiting till November.

Com'on - consider it anyway!

This has been suggested and talked about in numerous threads, and the deal is that the PDF on shipment date is a perk for those that Subscribe, and holding general sale of the PDF until it is reaching store shelves is to make the retailers happy.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

I have updated the product description to match the finished product.
Shadow Lodge

Wait so if I ordered from my FLGS early, I'm going to be waiting until November now? That's a bummer. :(
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If you've preordered or subscribed you still have to wait for the postman. Of course, you might not be in Europe...

woohoo, i have mine already on order and should be here soon. cant wait to see the goodies inside and start using the nasties against my players......lol
Scarab Sages
Pathfinder Maps, Pathfinder Accessories, PF Special Edition Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber; Starfinder Superscriber

I'd like to subscribe to the core rulebooks, but I don't want a third copy of the PFRPG rules on top of what I got at GenCon. What date should I subscribe so I miss the RPG and get the Bestiary?
Liberty's Edge
Pathfinder Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber
logic_poet wrote:
I'd like to subscribe to the core rulebooks, but I don't want a third copy of the PFRPG rules on top of what I got at GenCon. What date should I subscribe so I miss the RPG and get the Bestiary?

You should be able to subscribe now and choose to start with the current book (the RPG) or the next one (the Bestiary).

Where is the PDF?
gnomewizard wrote:
Where is the PDF?

Apparently you haven't readx this massive thread. There isn't one.

If your a subscriber you will get it next Tuesday.

Otherwise the PDF will not be available until the book hits retailer shelves.
gnomewizard wrote:
Where is the PDF?

An earlier message in this thread suggests it will either be out by the 21st of October or be updated with its release date by then.

logic_poet wrote:
I'd like to subscribe to the core rulebooks, but I don't want a third copy of the PFRPG rules on top of what I got at GenCon. What date should I subscribe so I miss the RPG and get the Bestiary?

That's a straight up option when subscribing. Just choose 'start with bestiary' when you order and you will start with the bestiary.

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carborundum wrote:
If you've preordered or subscribed you still have to wait for the postman. Of course, you might not be in Europe...

I wonder how long it will take for the book to ship into Cheliax... of course, I could send my trusty Imps to snag someone else's copy! :P

WAIT wait wait wait wait wait!

....where's the pdf?
Liberty's Edge
Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Maps, Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber
Elfgasm wrote:

WAIT wait wait wait wait wait!

....where's the pdf?

For this serious question, I have a serious answer...

There will be no PDF, instead we will be getting a Video of the Paizo Employees reading a dramatized version of the Bestiary word for word.

Don't worry the video will be bookmarked so you can skip to the relevant scenes.

Paizo at this time has not released who is playing which parts. I hope we hear soon!
Paizo Employee Creative Director
Dragnmoon wrote:
Elfgasm wrote:

WAIT wait wait wait wait wait!

....where's the pdf?

For this serious question, I have a serious answer...

There will be no PDF, instead we will be getting a Video of the Paizo Employees reading a dramatized version of the Bestiary word for word.

Don't worry the video will be bookmarked so you can skip to the relevant scenes.

Paizo at this time has not released who is playing which parts. I hope we hear soon!

Fair warning: I called dibs on the nymph and the succubus. I apologize in advance for any blindness my representations of these creatures might incur. You might want to have a cup of bleach and a wire-bristle brush handy to scrub the sight out of your eyes when you get to those creatures.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer
CEBedford wrote:
Wait so if I ordered from my FLGS early, I'm going to be waiting until November now? That's a bummer. :(

No... just a few posts above yours, I said: "We've moved up the retail release date to October 21." Which is also the date that the PDF will become available.

Oh, and also—you heard it here first—like the Core Rulebook, the Bestiary PDF will be $9.99. (*After* the Bestiary, though, PDF pricing on the Pathfinder RPG line will return to our usual discount of 30% off the print price.)
Scarab Sages
Vic Wertz wrote:


Oh, and also—you heard it here first—like the Core Rulebook, the Bestiary PDF will be $9.99.

Clears Throat

Whooohooo!!!
Clears throat
I mean: Yeah, that is great. Thank you so much.
Liberty's Edge
Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Maps, Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber
James Jacobs wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
Elfgasm wrote:

WAIT wait wait wait wait wait!

....where's the pdf?

For this serious question, I have a serious answer...

There will be no PDF, instead we will be getting a Video of the Paizo Employees reading a dramatized version of the Bestiary word for word.

Don't worry the video will be bookmarked so you can skip to the relevant scenes.

Paizo at this time has not released who is playing which parts. I hope we hear soon!

Fair warning: I called dibs on the nymph and the succubus. I apologize in advance for any blindness my representations of these creatures might incur. You might want to have a cup of bleach and a wire-bristle brush handy to scrub the sight out of your eyes when you get to those creatures.

I am going blind just thinking about that!.. but at the same time I am oddly fascinated.. So when is the release date ;)

Dragnmoon wrote:


I am going blind just thinking about that!.. but at the same time I am oddly fascinated.. So when is the release date ;)

"We've moved up the retail release date to October 21."

Vic Wertz wrote:
CEBedford wrote:
Wait so if I ordered from my FLGS early, I'm going to be waiting until November now? That's a bummer. :(

No... just a few posts above yours, I said: "We've moved up the retail release date to October 21." Which is also the date that the PDF will become available.

Oh, and also—you heard it here first—like the Core Rulebook, the Bestiary PDF will be $9.99. (*After* the Bestiary, though, PDF pricing on the Pathfinder RPG line will return to our usual discount of 30% off the print price.)

Wow! I really didn't expect that! That's great!!!!

I can't wait to buy this. Really hoping to get a job before the GM Screen comes out so I can reactivate my subscription with this at the top of the list.

Imagination, gaming goodness, RPG awesomesauce; thy name is Paizo.
Mikhaila Burnett 313 wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:


I am going blind just thinking about that!.. but at the same time I am oddly fascinated.. So when is the release date ;)

"We've moved up the retail release date to October 21."

Teeheee

Paizo Employee Director of Brand Strategy
James Jacobs wrote:
Fair warning: I called dibs on the nymph and the succubus. I apologize in advance for any blindness my representations of these creatures might incur. You might want to have a cup of bleach and a wire-bristle brush handy to scrub the sight out of your eyes when you get to those creatures.

Bleach and wire-bristled brush? Nah, I might just get some popcorn and a beer. Then again, I am entertained by some pretty disturbing stuff.

Scarab Sages

Quick question for Vic or whoever else from Paizo may see it...since the Bestiary has no ship date officially yet, it does not show up in my subscriptions as a product with a timeline yet. Since I set them up to "ship monthly" and there is no Oct AP (and therefore my next monthly shipment reads Nov), does that mean the bestiary will become my October shipment, or roll over to Nov? I only ask here because I think its a unique situation with no Oct AP.
Paizo Employee Creative Director
redcelt32 wrote:
Quick question for Vic or whoever else from Paizo may see it...since the Bestiary has no ship date officially yet, it does not show up in my subscriptions as a product with a timeline yet. Since I set them up to "ship monthly" and there is no Oct AP (and therefore my next monthly shipment reads Nov), does that mean the bestiary will become my October shipment, or roll over to Nov? I only ask here because I think its a unique situation with no Oct AP.

If you have your shipments set up to ship with your Adventure Path shipment, then yes; your Bestiary won't ship until Pathfinder AP volume #27 ships sometime in early November.

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