Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Core Rulebook (OGL)

Am I right in thinking that this book is not part of the subscription service?

Just want to know to get my pre-order ready.

Am I right in thinking that this book is not part of the subscription service?

Just want to know to get my pre-order ready.

Not yet. But we plan to roll out a subscription service for the Pathfinder RPG product sometime in the next few months.

-Lisa

I just saw the cover on the blog. Wow. Just...wow. The dragon looks like it's ready to lay it down, and Valeros and Seoni have that look that says "Uh oh, time to open it up or we might not get out of this one."

I love that cover.

I just started to set up pre-orders for the rpg and mm. Then I hastily backtracked when I saw the size of the shipping cost.

Is it really going to cost that much to ship to the UK?

Herald wrote:

Am I right in thinking that this book is not part of the subscription service?

Just want to know to get my pre-order ready.

Not yet. But we plan to roll out a subscription service for the Pathfinder RPG product sometime in the next few months.

-Lisa

Before or after this release?

I'd be more than happy to add another subscription.

Please. Just one thing. For the love of Gygax, tell me there's going to be an index in this thing.

My players are ready to revolt if there isn't. Seriously. Single biggest complaint about the beta, mentioned at least once per session.

While the last few months have kinda killed my interest in Pathfinder (ie not enough cash to do everything) & I haven't kept up on the Paizo boards as much as when I was a Superscriber, seeing that cover makes me go WOW!!

Awesome work Wayne. I'll be getting the book when it comes out.

RM

I have an idea about what the 'revised' spells will be but I'm wondering what dozens of 'new' spells entail.

I have an idea about what the 'revised' spells will be but I'm wondering what dozens of 'new' spells entail.

I bet dozens applies more to the revised part, though between the various shape/form spells replacing Polymorph, plus Stabilize, Bleed, and at least one other new spell I can't remember off hand, there are probably close to a dozen in the Beta.

I just started to set up pre-orders for the rpg and mm. Then I hastily backtracked when I saw the size of the shipping cost.

Is it really going to cost that much to ship to the UK?

I second this. European shipping on the PFRPG is insane. I will buy this book, but I don't want to cry at night about that. :)

Please. Just one thing. For the love of Gygax, tell me there's going to be an index in this thing.

My players are ready to revolt if there isn't. Seriously. Single biggest complaint about the beta, mentioned at least once per session.

beta book didn't got Index

*runs after the revolt*

I just started to set up pre-orders for the rpg and mm. Then I hastily backtracked when I saw the size of the shipping cost.

Is it really going to cost that much to ship to the UK?

Sadly, since the USPS discontinued surface mail last year, there is no inexpensive international shipping option for items over 4 pounds. The Pathfinder RPG will weigh more than 5 pounds, and that's without counting the box and packing materials.

In most cases, though, the cheapest international shipping method is a Priority flat-rate box, which means you can probably add in a few more books without increasing the shipping rate.

Of course, we'll also be selling this book into regular retail distribution in the UK as well.

Please. Just one thing. For the love of Gygax, tell me there's going to be an index in this thing.

There's going to be an index in this thing.

There's going to be an index in this thing.

Thank you. Sorry, my players (though I love 'em,) wouldn't let this go until I actually asked someone at Paizo about it. Now I can cart back this WoTD (Word of Technical Director) and they'll have their fears calmed. n.n;

If this has been answered before, I apologize ...

If I buy the hardcover directly from Paizo, will I get the PDF as well? Normally, having a PDF in addition to my actual book doesn't matter to me, but I'm finding that having the PDF of the Beta along with the print copy I purchased has come in very handy.

PLEASE tell me we get a PDF copy as well :)

Thanks!

...what a weird dream I had last night. In the dream, there was this 8-year old girl, who had won a copy of the Pathfinder RPG, and it was presented to her by Jason and Vic. For some reason I was there as well, and managed to grab the book from the girl, and started leafing through the pages. I felt amazed (and a bit angry) that this girl who did not role-play had won a copy of the book that was not supposed to be printed for another half a year. Then I noticed that there was a lot of weird-looking art pieces with the text: "Placeholder" under them, and the fonts used (in a haphazard manner) in the book were Times New Roman and Arial. Also, there were paragraphs and rules missing here and there. I was confused.

Vic (who looked just like his avatar in my dream) came to me, and said: "Yeah, there're a lot of placeholders for art there, because we decided to change most of the art from Beta." Then a beaming Jason continued: "Oh, as you know, we're still in the process of playtesting the rules, and the bits you see there are what we think are pretty much finished. That's why there are bits and pieces missing, and the contents in some of those empty tables are still a matter of hot in-house debates."

I can't remember how the dream ended, or what happened next (I think that's when I woke up?), but I remember myself thinking: "Man, that was weird... does Vic really look like Abadar in real life?". Yeah, I probably *did* have too much coffee before I went to sleep...

If this has been answered before, I apologize ...

If I buy the hardcover directly from Paizo, will I get the PDF as well? Normally, having a PDF in addition to my actual book doesn't matter to me, but I'm finding that having the PDF of the Beta along with the print copy I purchased has come in very handy.

PLEASE tell me we get a PDF copy as well :)

Thanks!

There will be ways that people will be able to get free PDFs, but we haven't announced them yet.

does Vic really look like Abadar in real life?

Yes, I do... and Jason looks like a giant book.

Sorry if this has been asked before, but if I preorder, can I expect to have the book in hand before heading out to GenCon?

Sorry if this has been asked before, but if I preorder, can I expect to have the book in hand before heading out to GenCon?

Hopefully, we'll be able to ship preorders so that they start to arrive during the week that Gen Con begins... but if you want to be *sure* you have it at the show, you might want to pick up your copy there.

Marc Radle 81 wrote:

If this has been answered before, I apologize ...

If I buy the hardcover directly from Paizo, will I get the PDF as well? Normally, having a PDF in addition to my actual book doesn't matter to me, but I'm finding that having the PDF of the Beta along with the print copy I purchased has come in very handy.

PLEASE tell me we get a PDF copy as well :)

Thanks!

There will be ways that people will be able to get free PDFs, but we haven't announced them yet.

maybe for us early pre-orders :wink:

I just clicked the pre-order into my shopping cart and ended up with a whopping total of around 86 USD. Is the postage really more than the price of the actual book?

When will the cover be changed to reflect the newly unveiled art?

When will the cover be changed to reflect the newly unveiled art?

It generally takes them a few weeks at the least to get cover images formatted with text and other layout elements. How long they sit on those before updating the covers on the website is a different matter. I imagine we'll see a nice shiny blog post showing the final cover once they're ready.

Jam412 wrote:

When will the cover be changed to reflect the newly unveiled art?

It generally takes them a few weeks at the least to get cover images formatted with text and other layout elements. How long they sit on those before updating the covers on the website is a different matter. I imagine we'll see a nice shiny blog post showing the final cover once they're ready.

Ah, hadn't considered that. Hope you get your head back..

I just clicked the pre-order into my shopping cart and ended up with a whopping total of around 86 USD. Is the postage really more than the price of the actual book?

See my post about ten posts above yours.

In most cases, though, the cheapest international shipping method is a Priority flat-rate box, which means you can probably add in a few more books without increasing the shipping rate.

In case I decide on this method of purchase, how much exactly is a few more books. Say I decide to order multiple copies of the Pathfinder RPG. How many can I order without increasing the shipping cost?

It doesn't seem to work Vic.

I just put the Hardcover in my cart and got a shipping cost of $44. Then added the Book of Experimental Might and it went up to $73.

Living in the UK I know my group would like to get multiple copies of the Pathfinder rulesbook but if there is a way to help with the shipping cost that would be appreciated.

Cheers

I'll pass on the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game core rule book. Dungeons & Dragons 4th Edition is just too good. I don't have any compelling urge to stick with an older rules set. And, I can never support anyone that perpetuates the Vancian magic system.

Count me out as a Paizo customer.

I'll pass on the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game core rule book. Dungeons & Dragons 4th Edition is just too good. I don't have any compelling urge to stick with an older rules set. And, I can never support anyone that perpetuates the Vancian magic system.

Count me out as a Paizo customer.

Before a flame war starts:

Your reasons for leaving are my reasons for staying. A lot of people here feel that way. That's the only response I think this comment merits.

I agree with Toyrobots. To each his/her own. I choose to stay with Paizo and the Pathfinder RPG.

I'll pass on the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game core rule book. Dungeons & Dragons 4th Edition is just too good. I don't have any compelling urge to stick with an older rules set. And, I can never support anyone that perpetuates the Vancian magic system.

Count me out as a Paizo customer.

Wow. I never thought of it that way. Count me out too. Stupid Paizo...giving large portions of the gaming community something they want. I will only support a company that gives gamers what the company tells them they want. And since I've now announced my status as *NOT* a Paizo customer, everyone else is going to jump ship, too, right?

yoda,

I can't jump ship. I'm still in shock I agree with toyrobots on something ;-)

Whew...
Now that I know what Greyson's doing, I can finally breathe again.

yoda,

I can't jump ship. I'm still in shock I agree with toyrobots on something ;-)

Matthew... I am in as much shock as you :P

I have my complains on Vancian Magic... basically that is my issue... I love everything else :P

that means we don't jump ship? hopefully we don't jump the shark :P that may be painful

Matthew Morris wrote:

yoda,

I can't jump ship. I'm still in shock I agree with toyrobots on something ;-)

Matthew... I am in as much shock as you :P

Aww... where's the love?

Count me out as a Paizo customer.

Your loss - but enjoy your game!

Do we know if the price tag is going to change as the page count increases? Right now this is a sweet, sweet deal!

Do we know if the price tag is going to change as the page count increases? Right now this is a sweet, sweet deal!

the page count is not going to increase... the extra things are going to be cut :S

Montalve, every time you say that, somewhere, somebody drowns a puppy.

Do we know if the price tag is going to change as the page count increases? Right now this is a sweet, sweet deal!

I believe Paizo has commited to the existing price point (not least of all because of all the preorders.) If, for some reason, they cannot keep that price point with an increased page count, the page count will not increase.

After being lured into purchasing 4.0 books, and promptly being disappointed, I was able to breathe a huge sigh of relief when I saw Pathfinders "3.75" being released.

No offense to 4th edition all the MMO kiddies will love the game but I require role-playing and 3.5 had what I needed. By retooling a system that IMO is hands down better than 4.0 Pathfinder is saving what I consider Dungeons & Dragons. Thank you Paizo for such an exemplary looking product, I can’t wait to get my hands on the hardback!!!

After being lured into purchasing 4.0 books, and promptly being disappointed, I was able to breathe a huge sigh of relief when I saw Pathfinders "3.75" being released.

No offense to 4th edition all the MMO kiddies will love the game but I require role-playing and 3.5 had what I needed. By retooling a system that IMO is hands down better than 4.0 Pathfinder is saving what I consider Dungeons & Dragons. Thank you Paizo for such an exemplary looking product, I can’t wait to get my hands on the hardback!!!

Someone in the "Motivate the Pathfinder" thread used a caption that read:

"Where one path ends, another begins."

This sums up the whole thing quite neatly, IMO.

It is sad to see Paizo go this way. It feels a little...lazy, taking Wizard of the Coast's game, retooling it with a couple house rules, and charging fifty bucks for it. A shame we can't have one of the best 3rd party publishers of yesteryear playing in the 4e court, I'll miss Paizo's great adventures.

It is sad to see Paizo go this way. It feels a little...lazy, taking Wizard of the Coast's game, retooling it with a couple house rules, and charging fifty bucks for it. A shame we can't have one of the best 3rd party publishers of yesteryear playing in the 4e court, I'll miss Paizo's great adventures.

Whoa...someone dumped coffee grinds into your wheaties!!!! :)

Trust me, it doesn't feel that way if you are looking for a company to be the torch bearer that allows you to keep playing the game you love with professional support.

does Vic really look like Abadar in real life?

Yes, I do.

The weird thing is, he's not kidding. Every time I open up Gods and Magic to the Abadar spread my brain goes: "Wha...? Vic?"

It is sad to see Paizo go this way. It feels a little...lazy, taking Wizard of the Coast's game, retooling it with a couple house rules, and charging fifty bucks for it. A shame we can't have one of the best 3rd party publishers of yesteryear playing in the 4e court, I'll miss Paizo's great adventures.

You can bet WotC's not going to be lazy - Expect a whole new edition in 3-5 years!!!

It is sad to see Paizo go this way. It feels a little...lazy, taking Wizard of the Coast's game, retooling it with a couple house rules, and charging fifty bucks for it. A shame we can't have one of the best 3rd party publishers of yesteryear playing in the 4e court, I'll miss Paizo's great adventures.

Considering the legal straightjacket of the GSL and the still-viable market for OGL gaming I don't see how they could have done anything else. The 4E court's entrance was closed in people's faces.

As for lazy, it's no lazier than taking open source code and making a new program. Why reinvent the wheel? Some of us have thousands invested in OGL products and have no urge to toss them in the ashcan for some nebulous 'new' edtion. I personally was completely satisfied with 3.5 before the switchover, and even if Paizo had gone over to 4E I most likely would have stopped buying RPG books altogether and gone to inhabit some grognardian 3.5-edition version of Dragonsfoot.

4E will do what it will do, Pathfinder will do the same. They will both exist and do their own thing, and competition is a wonderful thing. It keeps both sides on their toes. Only the course of time will see if WotC's gamble to attract new younger players and force older ones to reinvest in new rulesbooks will pay off.

It doesn't seem to work Vic.

I just put the Hardcover in my cart and got a shipping cost of $44. Then added the Book of Experimental Might and it went up to $73.

Living in the UK I know my group would like to get multiple copies of the Pathfinder rulesbook but if there is a way to help with the shipping cost that would be appreciated.

Cheers

Well, it turns out that for *some* countries, one copy of the Pathfinder RPG is cheaper to ship in a flat-rate box, but for other countries (including the UK), it's cheaper to ship by weight.

However, even in those other countries, once you add a couple of things to the box, you *will* be in a Flat-Rate box, and then you can just keep on adding stuff with no additional shipping charge until you exceed the size of the box. So, while it currently costs $44.03 to ship one copy to the UK, it only costs $45.05 to ship two copies, or even three!

As for your $73 quote for adding the Book of Experimental Might, it sounds like you had the two items set to ship separately. They should ship together for $45.05.