I can't help but feel a little sad.
I'm really grateful for the last ten+ years, and I'm glad that our group still has so many AP's to pursue.....but it still feels like a big chunk of my life is dying off.
Marco Massoudi wrote:
Flavor is convertible....so I'm sure those of us sticking with PF1 will still follow specific area's of interest and convert the material back to PF1....but other than what has already been announced...I don't expect much support for PF1. They will be trying to get people to transfer over to PF2.
Besides, they made it pretty clear at the time they had no interest in fixing the Oozemorph, even hamstrung the one playable option.
It's probably a matter of houseruling for your table at this point.
It’s a problem of Pathfinder being built on a player base that didn’t want to abandon their previous version. And for the most part, Pathfinder was just 3rd edition, with a few bells and whistles added. If P2 was also just a small change, then people may not have been so upset. But instead, it’s just the same bitterness as when D&D moved to 4th, and changed everything.
Yep, feels exactly the same to me. Wizards threw everyone overboard (Including Paizo) to go a completely different direction....that's what is happening now. But like I said in another thread....I have enough material to play for many years, so when all is said and done everything is fine. I'm just a bit sad at the direction things have gone.
What it meant to me (yes, past tense) was a continuation of the game system I really enjoyed (3.5), but with the addition of a setting I quickly grew to love as much as my old favorite setting (Dragonlance).
What Paizo has accomplished with Pathfinder has been extremely enjoyable for me over the last ten years, and I'm glad to know I can keep enjoying it for many years to come.
I have a great deal of nostalgic sadness that it's over....but realistically, I have enough adventures still to be explored that everything will be fine.
It's still like morning the loss of a friend in a way though :P
I'll miss new AP's and books coming out. But beyond that we plan to keep playing PF1 for a good long time.
We have all the AP's (few holes to fill in some of them), and I'm actually looking through modules that look to be interesting. I assume they will keep selling 1E stuff digitally for a while....so we have plenty to work with for a good long time.
I would have liked more information on Arcadia....but beyond that...we can keep our group going for many years to come.
Volkard Abendroth wrote:
And like I said, it's not likely to change.Those of us staying with 1st edition are going to have to get more comfortable with simply house ruling things at our tables, rather than waiting for "official" input. ;)
I'm not sure I think it's fair to say the "community" killed the game for you. Paizo has moved in a completely different direction with the game.....and that's going to kill it for those that liked that it was still grounded in 3.5. If you liked the idea of 5th addition D&D you might like this as well, as it sounds like it emulating that.
That said, those who don't want to move in that direction....are under no obligation or compulsion to do so.
It's that simple.
I find it kind of funny that people think it's so odd they should have the same name....do you know how many Steve's I work with ? and that's just one factory :P
Interesting thing about insulting people, especially these days...as insults are highly subjective, you actually can't post anything without running the risk of insulting someone ;)
That said, I'm not overly concerned with it. I speak my opinion, and the reactions of others is all them ;)
David knott 242 wrote:
They would need to walk back the whole thing....a whole lot....to recapture my interest. The direction they are going does nothing for me. I don't like the attempts to "stream line" and simplify for a new generation that can't be bothered to learn the rules. It feels far to much like a video game to me, from what I'm seeing. I'm not even really interested in looking at the playtest when they release it after seeing the previews.
I say it again. A reboot is not inevitable.
I hate to break it to you, as I share your opinion that "Pathfinder is so critically linked to 3.5 that a reboot would be antithetical to the basic premise of Pathfinder."
However the truth is, it is inevitable.
The reason Pathfinder was based on/critically linked to 3.5, is that it was created as an effort to preserve and develop 3.5....which had many devoted followers (myself among them).
That worked for them for ten + years......however, they have now set their sites elsewhere.
All the wining and complaining in the world is not going to change the fact that they are looking to capture a different target audience than the old 3.5 fans.
Our time is done evidently ;)
Ched Greyfell wrote:
Naw....I'm likely not moving to 2E....so I'll take what I can get for 1E ;)
W E Ray wrote:
Yes, that's exactly what I want.Maybe not much need for a lot more classes....
But there is still plenty of material to cover, and now it appears it won't be.
People like to paint this as "Family" or "Community".....the reality is for them it's a business.....and if they think their business is best served by ignoring the desires of a cross section of the community....to gain the following of a larger cross section of the community....that's exactly what they will do.
Stop wasting your time whining and appealing to community ;)
Paizo doesn't "Owe" us anything.That's not what anyone is saying.....(errr....ok it's what only a few are saying).....if Paizo want's to keep getting my money after the switch to 2E.....they are going to however need to come up with something I'm actually willing to spend my money on (which is not likely 2E products).
For the last ten years, buying the base lines and AP's has been automatic for me....
I have only begun to question that the last few releases (UW, etc...)
Now with this announcement (2E) I may actually be able to cut back my spending with Paizo considerably....as I thus far see nothing that makes me want to switch from 1st Edition.
So if Paizo wants to keep getting my money...they are going to need to come up with something outside of 2E to do so ;)
Charabdos, The Tidal King wrote:
I haven't look into Starfinder that much....what I did see turned me off, and I'm really not the least bit interested with the setting.
Creating and defining background is actually one of the most enjoyable aspects of RP to me.
In general, most of the ......"shortcuts" (for lack of a better term) to character creation, are one of the biggest turn off's to me in other systems.
So far, I'm seeing little that would make me interested in 2E.
I'll look at the playtest when it comes out, and if I see anything I like I'll incorporate it into my 1E games....evidently some of the stuff was in unchained....but as we have used very little from unchained.....I'm not holding my breath that I will be overly interested in 2nd E. If the modules for 2nd E are easily backwards compatible.....I may continue to buy them....if not we have a fair amount of material to continue foreword for a good amount of time.
It will be interesting to see how this play's out....
CHESS MATCH !!!!
Well, after the initial shock, I realized that I really do have enough 1e material to last me a lifetime, so I can happily keep playing it forever if need be. So once I got secure in that idea, it's easier to take tentative nibbles that maybe I could make use of *some* parts of 2e (like the APs).
I'm in the same boat, I have bought with few exceptions all the main books and AP's....so we have enough material to work with for many years.
Still, It would be nice of the 2E AP's coming out are easily usable in 1E play.
Shadow Kosh wrote:
Nicely made point ;)And exactly what I will do :P
Steve Geddes wrote:
Until the playtest is released....we are just guessing at how extreme the differences will be, and if they are acceptable to each of our individual tables. I know I am not interested in any major changes. I like the system as is (and no that's not open to debate so don't bother).
That said I'm not anxious for the changes....but will look at them when they appear.....and proceed accordingly.....
Ryan Freire wrote:
Again, nothing they've listed makes it seem like it will play or feel THAT different from 3.x
Not sure I can agree there....as everything that's been said so far is verbatim what WoTC said at 4E....
So ya....I'm skeptical.
If all of my existing books are usable with little to no adjustment I will gladly adapt to PF2.....if not......I'm not interested.