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When everybody leaves the room, Vy walks towards the painting, touches it and whispers "Goodbye"

Now that Snowflake is lifelinked to the entire party, has has been withdrawn and walked very very carefully behind the party. The blood draws his attention, so he studies it. However he's doing the same to Dayo

Heal check: 1d20 + 9 ⇒ (12) + 9 = 21 on the blood
Heal check: 1d20 + 9 ⇒ (1) + 9 = 10 on Dayo
Sense Motive: 1d20 + 5 ⇒ (1) + 5 = 6 on Dayo

Vy scurries between Eoghan's legs (is this how Justin feels all the time?) and let's go of the energy he has gathered
channel positive energy: 1d6 ⇒ 1 DC 15, 30ft range

drat

Vy cocks an eye at Dayo and nocks a bolt in his crossbow

showing Dayo what it takes: 1d20 + 6 ⇒ (1) + 6 = 7
damage: 1d8 + 2 ⇒ (2) + 2 = 4

and he eats some crow

Vy lifelinks with Dayo and Vitro

Knowing he has no way to subdue Grays, but figuring the orderlies do, Vy tries to dodge Grayst's attack by grabbing his shield and going on the total defense. (AC is now 25)

"You must forgive my friend for asking that kind of question. Where he's from, love is something that isn't something you hide. It is something you share. What has been done to those people, it almost physically hurts him. Can you tell us if anything look strange to you. Not only that night, but in the preceding days. Certain talk, certain poeple acting weird. Even things that smelled weird. Can you help my friend here?"

Diplomacy: 1d20 + 7 ⇒ (7) + 7 = 14

Vy "Snowlake" Baro
Male agathion-blooded aasimar (idyllkin) oracle 2/paladin (hospitaler) 2 (Pathfinder Player Companion: Blood of Angels 21, Pathfinder RPG Advanced Player's Guide 42, 116, Pathfinder RPG Bestiary 7)
LG Medium outsider (native)
Init +0; Senses darkvision 60 ft.; Perception +1
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Defense
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AC 20, touch 13, flat-footed 20 (+5 armor, +3 deflection, +2 shield)
hp 43 (4 HD; 2d8+2d10+18)
Fort +10, Ref +3, Will +10; +2 vs. death
Resist acid 5, cold 5, electricity 5
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Offense
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Speed 30 ft. (20 ft. in armor)
Melee dagger +8 (1d4+4/19-20) or
. . morningstar +8 (1d8+4) or
. . shortspear +8 (1d6+4)
Ranged light crossbow +6 (1d8+2/19-20)
Special Attacks channel positive energy 4/day (DC 15, 1d6), smite evil 1/day (+3 attack and AC, +2 damage)
Spell-Like Abilities (CL 4th; concentration +7)
. . 1/day—summon nature's ally II
Paladin Spell-Like Abilities (CL 2nd; concentration +5)
. . At will—detect evil
Oracle Spells Known (CL 4th; concentration +7)
. . 1st (5/day)—bless, cure light wounds, detect undead, liberating command[UC]
. . 0 (at will)—detect magic, guidance, read magic, resistance, stabilize
. . Mystery Life
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Statistics
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Str 14, Dex 10, Con 18, Int 10, Wis 13, Cha 16
Base Atk +3; CMB +8; CMD 18
Feats Extra Revelation[APG], Fey Foundling[ISWG]
Traits magical knack, student of faith
Skills Acrobatics -6 (-10 to jump), Diplomacy +7, Handle Animal +10, Heal +6, Knowledge (history) +4, Knowledge (nature) +4, Knowledge (nobility) +4, Knowledge (planes) +4, Knowledge (religion) +4, Spellcraft +4, Survival +7 (+9 to avoid becoming lost when using a Mapmaker's Kit as you travel); Racial Modifiers +2 Handle Animal, +2 Survival
Languages Celestial, Common, Sylvan
SQ lay on hands 4/day (1d6), oracle's curse (tongues [celestial]), revelations (life link, channel)
Combat Gear snake oil[OA]; Other Gear mwk breastplate, scale mail, heavy wooden shield, crossbow bolts (20), dagger, light crossbow, morningstar, shortspear, backpack, bedroll, belt pouch, flint and steel, hemp rope (50 ft.), leeching kit[APG], mapmaker's kit[APG], mess kit[UE], pot, soap, trail rations (5), waterskin, 1 gp, 2 sp
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Special Abilities
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Darkvision (60 feet) You can see in the dark (black and white only).
Detect Evil (At will) (Sp) You can use detect evil at will (as the spell).
Energy Resistance, Acid (5) You have the specified Energy Resistance against Acid attacks.
Energy Resistance, Cold (5) You have the specified Energy Resistance against Cold attacks.
Energy Resistance, Electricity (5) You have the specified Energy Resistance against Electricity attacks.
Fey Foundling Magical healing works better on you
Lay on Hands (1d6 hit points, 4/day) (Su) As a standard action (swift on self), touch channels positive energy and applies mercies.
Life Link (2 max bonds, 120 feet) (Su) As a standard action, establish bond that drains your HP to heal others who have taken 5 dam.
Oracle Channel Positive Energy 1d6 (4/day, DC 15) (Su) Positive energy heals the living and harms the undead; negative has the reverse effect.
Smite Evil (1/day) (Su) +3 to hit, +2 to damage, +3 deflection bonus to AC when used.
Tongues (Celestial) You can only understand and speak one language in combat.
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It's not like he actually has Wolf ears and fangs, but everything about him is wolflike. When he was found, as a baby, he actually was covered in a fine grey-white fur, and he still shows it when the light catches him at the right angle.. A white diamnd-shaped patch in his hair gave him his Birthname:"Snowflake". There was only one problem. Whenever Snowflake became upset, he yelled in a tongue the common folk didn't understand, and although the cleric in Sandpoint said it wasn't an evil tongue, people mistrusted him. Snowflake therefore shied away, and stayed with the cleric, who had a soft spot for foundlings. Snowflake learned a lot about healing peopl. This way he could 'redeem'himself a litle bit to the townfolk. Still, when the temple burnt down, Snowflake knew they wanted a scapegoat, and he fled.
He took to traveling, and took a name, Vy Baro, after a folkhero, the Wise Wolf. On his travels he learned how to defend himself, and he learned what he really was

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The first day, Snowflake rests, after he has squared away the body of his sister in one of the rooms reserved for wakes, refusing to explain who the dead body is.

Early in the morning, he wakes up and visits Father Zanthus, his mentor Jasper Korvaski and Ameiko, and explains what he is planning to do that evening. Zathus and Jasper agree to come, Jasper even offering to help him. Vy attempts to decline, but compromises.
Ameiko almost starts to cry when he tells her the story of his sister, which almosts breaks him, so she firms up, and asks him how she can help.

"Only invite those he were close to her, but keep it quiet. But afterwards, tell her story. Make them realise"

The chopping of wood commences. Vy is at it until dinner time, actually happy that he took up on Jasper's offer to help, who packs up the wood, and carries it of north of Sandpaint, near the cliffs. There father Zanthus begins to build a pyre in the afternoon.

At Dinner, he asks his compatriots , if they are willing to join him that evening.

As the sun starts to set, Vy walks his friends to the pyre. Some townfolk follow, but Sir Jasper and Ameiko keeps them away, at a distance of a few hundred yards, out of respect. The townfolk look around in confusion, but Ameiko tells them she will explain in the Rusty Dragon afterwards.

Kendra, Hemlock, Sir Jasper, Ameiko and Father Zanthus and Snowflake compatriots assemble to one side of the pyre, while Snowflake comes walking from Sandpoint's North gate, carrying the wrapped body of Nualia. He passes the townfolk, who start to gossip. Word must have come out. No matter.
He places the body unto the Pyre, and makes his sister comfortable with the cushion he brought with him from Thistletop. Using his dagger, he cuts away the fabric around her face and hair.
The sharpeyed among the folk gasp, and start to really their recognition of Nualia to the rest of them. The fear and strangness of the situation keeps in check with their curiosity. They neither flee or come closer.

When Vy has made sure his sister is comfortable, he nods to Father Zanthus, who starst teh funreal rites, asking Pharasma to have mercy on Nualia's soul, and to lead her to the gods she used to love.

After he's done, Vy takes out the diaries Nualia wrote, and starts to walk to the pyre, but stops, and turns to Kendra and Hemlock.

"Don't worry. I copied all the usefull information, It will be on your desks tomorrow."

Snowflake start to rip out the pages, and stuffs them between the stacked wood of teh pyre. Sir Jasper hands him a torch, and after a moment contempletion, Vy sets the pages on fire.

It catches on quickly. It actually smells pleasant due to all the herbs Vy has put within the wraps. As the sun starts to completely set, the fire still colors the night orange a little longer.

The townfolk slowly return to Sandpont, a fair number of them going to the Rusty Dragon to talk, and wait for Ameiko.

Vy stays until the fire dies down. A wind starts blow from the east, blowing the ashes off the cliff into the sea.
In the distance a familiar wolf's howl is heard.

Vy looks at his friend.

Thank you for being there for me. I need to finish up here. I will not go to the Rusty Dragon myself, I'm going to sleep at the temple and spend some time with father Zanthus. What happened these last few week, and what I have learned, I need guidance to proces it all. But do not hesitate to talk to me if you wish so. I thank you again"

Vy and Sir Jasper pick up two big shovels, and start to scoop the sand that was underneath the pile, and throw into the sea.

Making sure nothing remains of Nualia.

Vy reads from the dairy of his sister to her dead body, stopping after each entry of a day, and explaining to her how she perceived a detail of that day wrongly

Vy's lifelink with Dayo is still active but Vy evens the odd and casts Bless

"I was part of killing my own sister"

Vy scratches his head, tries to remember what his father told him aout horses in his tories
nature: 1d20 + 4 ⇒ (3) + 4 = 7
In those stories, horses could fly...

Vy checks if the horse is wounded
Heal check: 1d20 + 5 ⇒ (5) + 5 = 10
If it feels like the horse is indeed wounded, he uses his last channel to cure the horse.
Positive Channel: 1d6 ⇒ 4
Meanwhile still trying to keep the horse at ease
Handle Animal: 1d20 + 9 ⇒ (15) + 9 = 24

with a look of disbelieve Vy walks in
"Did...ddi I just see female goblins? Are they egg laying? Do they need help accessing the hatchery we found and help them save their children? Maybe, maybe I could teach them the error of their ways. Teach them the basiscs of community, and that of Eristil?"
It's clear that he's babbling due to too many shocks this day.

Snowflake concentrates and divine energy flows from him
Channel: 1d6 ⇒ 4

double checked. I heal Vitro for 8 total. 1d8+1 oracle level+2 magical knack +1 student of faith=1D8+4

Snowflake walks up to besides Justin to give him protection, while shifting his life link from Oskar back to Dayo yet again.
Dayo, the healing will start next round on my turn

Vy feels the conflict growing within the group, and he swore he would shoulder such burdens. So with a sigh that comes from deep within, he heaves his morningstar and lets it fall down on the goblin's head
Melee: 1d20 + 4 ⇒ (6) + 4 = 10
Damage: 1d8 + 2 ⇒ (8) + 2 = 10
"Maybe...maybe we killed his mother earlier...and are they now reunited"

Snowflake level 3 is done. Live link and Lay on hands ore now active

Vy "Snowlake" Baro
Male agathion-blooded aasimar (idyllkin) oracle 1/paladin (hospitaler) 2 (Pathfinder Player Companion: Blood of Angels 21, Pathfinder RPG Advanced Player's Guide 42, 116, Pathfinder RPG Bestiary 7)
LG Medium outsider (native)
Init +0; Senses darkvision 60 ft.; Perception +1
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Defense
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AC 17, touch 10, flat-footed 17 (+5 armor, +2 shield)
hp 31 (3 HD; 1d8+2d10+11)
Fort +9, Ref +3, Will +9; +2 vs. death
Resist acid 5, cold 5, electricity 5
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Offense
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Speed 30 ft. (20 ft. in armor)
Melee dagger +4 (1d4+2/19-20) or
morningstar +4 (1d8+2) or
shortspear +4 (1d6+2)
Ranged light crossbow +2 (1d8/19-20)
Special Attacks channel positive energy 4/day (DC 14, 1d6), smite evil 1/day (+3 attack and AC, +2 damage)
Spell-Like Abilities (CL 3rd; concentration +6)
1/day—summon nature's ally II
Paladin Spell-Like Abilities (CL 2nd; concentration +5)
At will—detect evil
Oracle Spells Known (CL 3rd; concentration +6)
1st (4/day)—bless, cure light wounds, liberating command[UC]
0 (at will)—detect magic, guidance, read magic, stabilize
Mystery Life
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Statistics
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Str 14, Dex 10, Con 17, Int 10, Wis 13, Cha 16
Base Atk +2; CMB +4; CMD 14
Feats Extra Revelation[APG], Fey Foundling[ISWG]
Traits magical knack, student of faith
Skills Acrobatics -6 (-10 to jump), Diplomacy +7, Handle Animal +9, Heal +5, Knowledge (nature) +4, Knowledge (nobility) +4, Knowledge (religion) +4, Spellcraft +4, Survival +7 (+9 to avoid becoming lost when using a Mapmaker's Kit as you travel); Racial Modifiers +2 Handle Animal, +2 Survival
Languages Celestial, Common, Sylvan
SQ lay on hands 4/day (1d6), oracle's curse (tongues [celestial]), revelations (life link, channel)
Combat Gear snake oil[OA]; Other Gear scale mail, heavy wooden shield, crossbow bolts (20), dagger, light crossbow, morningstar, shortspear, backpack, bedroll, belt pouch, flint and steel, hemp rope (50 ft.), leeching kit[APG], mapmaker's kit[APG], mess kit[UE], pot, soap, trail rations (5), waterskin, 1 gp, 2 sp
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Special Abilities
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Darkvision (60 feet) You can see in the dark (black and white only).
Detect Evil (At will) (Sp) You can use detect evil at will (as the spell).
Energy Resistance, Acid (5) You have the specified Energy Resistance against Acid attacks.
Energy Resistance, Cold (5) You have the specified Energy Resistance against Cold attacks.
Energy Resistance, Electricity (5) You have the specified Energy Resistance against Electricity attacks.
Fey Foundling Magical healing works better on you
Lay on Hands (1d6 hit points, 4/day) (Su) As a standard action (swift on self), touch channels positive energy and applies mercies.
Life Link (1 max bonds, 110 feet) (Su) As a standard action, establish bond that drains your HP to heal others who have taken 5 dam.
Oracle Channel Positive Energy 1d6 (4/day, DC 14) (Su) Positive energy heals the living and harms the undead; negative has the reverse effect.
Smite Evil (1/day) (Su) +3 to hit, +2 to damage, +3 deflection bonus to AC when used.
Tongues (Celestial) You can only understand and speak one language in combat.
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It's not like he actually has Wolf ears and fangs, but everything about him is wolflike. When he was found, as a baby, he actually was covered in a fine grey-white fur, and he still shows it when the light catches him at the right angle.. A white diamnd-shaped patch in his hair gave him his Birthname:"Snowflake". There was only one problem. Whenever Snowflake became upset, he yelled in a tongue the common folk didn't understand, and although the cleric in Sandpoint said it wasn't an evil tongue, people mistrusted him. Snowflake therefore shied away, and stayed with the cleric, who had a soft spot for foundlings. Snowflake learned a lot about healing peopl. This way he could 'redeem'himself a litle bit to the townfolk. Still, when the temple burnt down, Snowflake knew they wanted a scapegoat, and he fled.
He took to traveling, and took a name, Vy Baro, after a folkhero, the Wise Wolf. On his travels he learned how to defend himself, and he learned what he really was

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the spincycle continues
Vy moves towards Vitro, and taps him
heal demmit: 1d8 + 1 ⇒ (7) + 1 = 8

"I won't let you goad me into a game of goat unless I know the rules"

Meanwhile, Vy has lead everybody to the backgarden of Sir Jasper's house. It has several training dummies for different types of combat, and several wooden version of standaard weapons, and a few targets as well.
"Welcome to my well of welts"

"Just say it Justin. I just know it's floating at the top of your mind.'Future Massage salon'"

Vitro sounds like that because he wants a return on his investment of his dagger

You No Take Kandle!!
Is HMM still alive?

Vy is pumping himself up. He really dislikes what has been done to his town, and Ameiko's trust in him, emboldens him even more. Even he is surprised when he turns around to Oskar and growls:
"I know a way to get rid of that rock in that ring. Bash some goblin heads in with it!"

Vy has a ponderous look on his face, as he tries to articulate what is bothering him. When he speaks, he adresses Justin.
'I understand what youŕe trying to do, and I can see that it something that has to be done. To avenge all who has died here"

He lppks at the dead bodies of the people here in this hall

"But the enemy has surrendered, and is going through some weird process of pleasing you. Do not abuse them"

Vy looks at something in the room, sitting in a chair.
It looks familiar and weird at the same time.
He can't quite grasp is, as if his mind denies what he's seeing.

crap. Snowflake said that

Vy sees his sister taking hits, and hustles up to protect her
hufhufhuf medium armor

What's wrong with that ?

Because of the reason behind it. I give my dwarves an australian accent because they're from "Down Under, mate"

BADUM TISSH

Meanwhile I got to play my Tortured Crusader, but changed the race to tengu, and called him Ill Omen

Also, woran forbids me to play a dwarf because I give them an Australian accent

I self-replicate every 13th moon

But I think the greatest thing I saw at the Con was Andrew Hoskins trolling Terry during House of Harmonious Wisdom. The look on Terry's face was priceless!!!

Thing was, I was kinda worried any GM would ask to show my credentials and check if my entire character administration would pass muster. So I spend the entire Thursday morning checking everything, checking if everything was correct at the paizo site, and that the characters were loaded into my Ipad, since the wifi was faith based.

Luckilly we have an insane amount of otters to keep us company. They scanned Tineke's bag twice because they couldn't believe it

*typing this as my eyes are bleeding and might pop any moment from sheer exhaustion . I'm at peace with that*

Things i learned at paizocon 2017

i am and will ever be Tineke's Bitter Half

Yanks are either tiny or big. I think the big ones ate the normal ones while the tiny ones are too fast for them.

Andrew Hoskins did stuff to my IPad and now hero lab has only have chtonians as race option.

Minnesota is an peace of alien planet that has crashed into the earth and might have given birth to the moon

Holy Plasma Cannons

Jumppacks for melee fighters. Suck it, holy plasma cannon

Robot divine bards need no zippers

Jessica Price her cat is turning her into a criminal facilitator and botanist. In that order.

Fidget cubes are zen

Heineken is not a premium beer. Really.

Stroopwafels are the new currency.

Cats are total anarchists and therefore have no monetary system to bribe us out of their travel cases.

Playing a game GM'd by the writer himself is like WHOA

Wees altijd lief voor een eend. Want een eend is ook iemand z'n moeder.

Why does my slayer always end up as the bouncer at a concert?

Guy is The Man.

Desserts don't have any chance of surviving. I was to late and had to use a chainsaw at the remaing pistache bombe

Monty Python was right about american beer.

Pathfinders are one tribe.

*pop*
Time to sign off

Cheers,
Therry

my mother made a mix of the english Terry and the French Thierry.
I still say my father was still drunk when he registered me

All the while, the BBEG and Mesmerist are trading blows and hurling spells at each other until the Confusion runs out. A well-timed Blindness from the Mesmerist puts the BBEG out of commission.

So I blinded the BBEG, and started attacking him. But I'm a vexing dardevil, so I started to feint the target. GM goes: "But he has no dex, because he's blind".

Meanwhile the rest of the crew gets fascinated as well. I remark that I can remove the fascinate status...but won't, since in that state the confusement spell doesn't make them hurt each other, or themselves...

"The only connection there is between the two fires, is me, and that is exactly the problem. I was there when the church burned down, and I was here when the town got burned again. And I'm not even suppose to be here, because I'm supposed to be dead at the first fire. Like my father and my sister. Now the people see me alive, and they're thinking: He apparently didn't die then, and here he is, again, and lo and behold, another fire!'"

The growling Justin was afraid of, starts again on the background, and Vy's speach starts to get more and more of an outlandish accent, as he's losing his grip again.

"But I lost everything!!! I watched from afar when they drew out my father's body!!! There wasn't even enough left of the body of my sister!! And now those কবর অপহারক গাদ took my father's dead body from it's Tomb!!!
How much more do I have to ভোগা!!! I have suffered enough!!!"

Vy takes a deep say, grabs his practice sword from against the table, and walks out, to the yard next to the tavern. The heavy canine presence leaves with him.
Outside you hear a furious twakking against a practice dummy

Snowflake buries his head in his hands. There is simply no way this will end in way that will not get them run out of town

Vy tries to grab Taj, and when he fails, is pantomiming sushing .

Vy does a fair imitation
"'No, young Faithfull student. One must always choose the lesser of two weevils'. And here I was, trying to detect which one of these two had ever done something malicious"

Vy looks tired, with a face that hints at a massive headache. A real one, not an hangover.

"It will do me good to be in the woods again, and clear my head. I was up the better part of the night practising"

Vy shrugs himself into his hide armor, actually sighing in relief

"This is so much more comfortable than plate

He grabs his spear, hefting it, like he's getting back in touch with an old friend

"Also, when Korvaski ever asks you to choose between two weevils, just point one out, and let him make his pun. I have been staring at them for three whole hours, before he gave up and told me it was a joke"

"Her fire has diminished. Do you know what it takes to do that?"

Vy closes his eyes, and for a moment he is at the glade. When he opens his eyes, he looks calmer

"Taj, she is a big girl. And most of the times, itś the boys that need to picked up from the ground, the next day. But she is still a girl, and sometimes her feelings catch even her by surprise. Maybe thatś is what happing right now. All I expect from you, sir, is that you keep your intentions clear. And sincere."

Vy walks in, wearing what looks like a gambeson, used for training. He looks famished, and totally unburdended by what looks a welt on the side of his head. He heads for the kitchen to grab some food, while he spots Taj in the...corner..with Oskar...and looking distraught.

Vu stops, and than starst walking briskly towards the both of them.
Although Vy is smaller than Oskar, something has gotten into him when he looks Oskar directly into his face while he spits out one word.

"Explain"

"Whenever the bullying got too much I would run away to the woods. Sometimes they would follow me. When I got really scared, this wolf would appear and chase them away. He wouldn't appear always and wouldn't stay very long. But he was always there when I needed him the most"

"Now Justin made that awful accusation, and I felt the presence of my friend again. But this time, I felt like I could control it, somehow"

Somehow right at that moment it's like that rare moments where all the conversation seem to stop all at the same time. Vy just stares at the ratfolk male. And from somewhere else you get the feeling some large canine is getting ready to charge, pound and rend.

"No"
You're not quite sure if Vy answered your question, or gave someone a command.

somewhere on our path in this adventure, we'll be like: howcome does the enemy always seem to find us.
And than we make our perception check 30, and we spot a guy on a high ladder ten kiliometers away easily spotting Taj everytime

"You say 'both touched by the divine', Sherriff. That shows you got a clear head on your shoulders. Even more than me, because even I was convinced like most of the village, that whatever touched me, was totally opposite of whatever touched Nualia. And although I lived a life of being bullied, it was less scarry than what happened to Nualia. Sure I could heal, and I'm still thankful for Father Tobyn Tobyn for spotting that ability in my and making use of it, to make me part of the community. But every one that I healed, went by Nualia, to be touched by her for cleansing. For luck. And Nualia would explain to them that it was foolish, but they would still come by and ask. And it didn't stop there. She couldn't walk down to street without being asked to touch a baby, or a sack of grain for that matter..."

"It got worse later on. Nualia became more and more a symbol of luck, and less a girl with a life of her own. Me, well, I lost my boyhood chubbyness, my fangs set in and all the other stuff. People still called me Snowflake, because somehow thess things tend to stick when your sister insists on calling you that. No changes there."

Vy glimpses at Rataji

"But it got a more sinister tone. One of my bullies held a theory that I was demon touched, but my mother feared for my chance of surviving in hell, and that's why she left me here. And it was not hard to believe him. Even I thought a was some kind of werewolf when Taj and Pateba found me"

"Where Taj and Pateba found me. And explained what I was"

"I'll give her five minutes", Vy yells from the kitchen.
"She just finished breakfest. She's well-fed. I say ten minutes, 15 on the utside" Pateba jokes back