The Godsrain Prophecies Part Eight

Wednesday, March 27, 2024

One of the theories that I intend to run by my Lady in my compilation of these so-called Godsrain Prophecies is that they may be warnings of some kind. This is a relatively new addition to my admittedly large list of potential reasons for their existence, which range from sensible hypotheses to outlandish theories, including one recent concern that this has all been a test by my Lady to discern whether I am trustworthy and analytical enough to handle some of her more complex research needs. I know she would never do such a thing, in truth, but after a particularly vivid dream (involving my being back in one of Lorminos’s classes and asked to deliver a talk about a research paper I had somehow forgotten to do), my anxiety briefly took hold.

The warning theory is of particular interest to me because it reflects an ongoing scholarly debate about the ability to prevent a true prophecy. As noted in Beyond Aroden (which I believe I have already mentioned in these pages), there are some who believe in the Fate’s Chain theory, which holds that any action taken to prevent a foretelling only hastens its speed and effects. Conversely, others believe that all prophecy presents the opportunity to exert free will. In the words of one notorious scholar, “those who lie down in front of the hooves of prophecy instead of taking the reins of their lives deserve to be trampled to dust, even if only metaphorically.” Fiery words, and ones I am not sure I believe, but given the gravity of this particular set of prophecies, I do like the idea that this might be an opportunity to shift the course of the future.

–Yivali, Apprentice Researcher for the Lady of Graves




The Death of Desna

The thing about journeys, especially the good ones, was how easy it was to lose track of the past. Hard to move forward while looking behind you. Desna had always believed that. Each new night, each new step, had something new to offer up—a bit of knowledge to excite her, a dark horizon to invite her, a way for love to keep her grounded as she wandered from place to place.

But something else was out there. A threat that she’d forgotten from the void between the stars, seeking only to expand its brutal, ceaseless silence. Not an enemy that could be caught or stopped forever, but something she’d held at bay as it consumed star after star, by making them anew as she had done since the beginning. Back then she’d set the stars like jewels, each a perfect piece of art, and now they were a chorus that only she could truly hear, gentle bells that softly chimed and brought new hope to dreamers.

Except with so much journeying, she’d let the task slide down her list, forgetting to replace the stars that steadily winked out. She hadn’t heard their quiet ringing slowly growing quieter, as something more than silence brought new fury to its form. And by the time it reached her ear, that music wasn’t quite as rich, and starlight twinkled that much less, and butterflies flapped weakly. Absence had turned to abscess turned to deep vulnerability, and what was of the past became the killer of the present. In one fell swoop of emptiness, no longer held back by her lights, something of the Dark Tapestry she thought she’d left behind took her and Cynosure as one, and with her all the stars that filled the skies above Golarion.

Desna was loved by many, and all stepped up to play a part and try to build a new world in the space left by her death. Cayden Cailean raised cups “to Desna and to freedom” (though he stayed still for many months, sometimes with Kurgess by his side, drinking to his memories and running up his tab). Shelyn offered welcome to those who sang in Desna’s name, collecting songs and poems so she would not be forgotten. (And when they sounded out of tune, as if something was missing, she called them Desnal melodies and blessed those who repeated them, ignoring art’s new promise for the haunting elegies). Sarenrae sought her vengeance but had no one to strike out against, and so she turned to healing in its place (by never letting hurt inside, and building walls around her heart she dared Shelyn to climb).

No one could prove the daytime light was any different than before, but even on the fairest day, there was something in the air—a stagnant sort of thickness that weighed upon the spine. Scouts moved slowly, and travelers lingered though they knew to hurry (to get themselves to safety long before the starless night). With no means by which to navigate, sailors called off voyages, reduced to tiny odysseys that kept the shore in sight. And while the feeling dissipated, slowly easing day by day, everything about the world felt dormant for a time.

Even as the pace picked up, no stars returned to fill the sky. At night, only the moon shone down, and paths forward could change in ways unlucky and impossible; more often did travelers disappear from the shadowed roads ahead. And while some blamed her ancient nemesis, Ghlaunder, who was emboldened by Desna’s demise, or Zon-Kuthon, who reveled in the new depth of the darkness, only Desna would have known that what killed her waited, determining its next advance, growing in the spaces left within a starless night.

An array of 20 portraits depicting the gods of the Pathfinder setting. Asmodeus, Cayden Cailean, Desna, Erastil, Nethys, Pharasma, Urgathoa, and Zon-Kuthon’s portraits have been marked “safe.”

Do the stars and their keeper, Desna, truly protect the Universe from some fell threat that hides in the darkness beyond them? May the stars shine forever, if so!





The Dark Tapestry? It has been some time since I thought about that void of space, which has long been reported to be the home of godlike beings far beyond my comprehension. Maybe this is why I am the most intrigued about Desna’s seeming knowledge of the place and its dangers. It is the first I am hearing of a potential connection, though that may simply be because I do not attend the right discussion groups. Whether or not this prophecy turns out to be true (or, again, maybe a warning that my Lady might be able to give to Desna to prevent this outcome), I will add a note about the possible link between Desna and the Dark Tapestry to my collected papers covering her works as a deity. I am not sure when or if I will have the time to publish any of the works I have begun to write, or if there will be room in my papers for all of the data I now have, but I am glad that I have at least begun collecting information. If these prophecies make nothing else completely clear, my own takeaway is this: it is important to understand what you know (and don’t) about the gods.


About the Author

Erin Roberts has been thrilled to be able to contribute a few small threads to the fabric of Golarion in the pages of books like Lost Omens Firebrands, Lost Omens Highhelm, and Lost Omens Travel Guide. In addition to her work for Paizo, she freelances across the TTRPG world (and was selected as a Diana Jones Award Emerging Designer Program Winner in 2023), has had fiction published in magazines including Asimov’s, Clarkesworld, and The Dark, and talks about writing every week on the Writing Excuses podcast. Catch up with her latest at linktr.ee/erinroberts.

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So... If Rovagug escapes, what happens to Golarion? Is this where Absalom Station comes from in Starfinder? But... we were told pretty emphatically that the Universe in which Golarion and Pathfinder 2E exist and the version in which Starfinder and Absalom Station exists are separate and distinct. How does that fit?

A side question: "War of Immortals" is going to be?

a) a Lost Omens book
b) a PF2E rulebook
c) an adventure path
d) all of the above
e) even more


If Rovagug escapes, he's probably going to die.

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Lots of things! You'll see all the tie in stuff on the stream!


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Sanityfaerie wrote:
So... here's a thought about Rovagug. Why does everyone assume he'll be so impossible to kill? He's been bound under the earth for a very long time, under conditions that make it rather harder than he might like to maintain his preferred daily exercise regimen. He's getting at least a trickle of worship energy through, sure, but he isn't getting much. His followers are pretty few in number, and the ones he does have are often just in it for the power he gives them. Really, I'd expect that his faithful consume more resources than they produce for him, on average. He's not investing that divine energy as a way of gaining more divine energy. He's doing it in the hopes that one of those crazy cults gets lucky and can free him.

Worshipers never provide any energy, though. This isn't D&D, where gods are empowered by belief or followers. The cage is probably cutting Rovagug off from something, but it's not worship.


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Notably, the Star Towers were built to stop him from communicating with his followers. They aren't working so great anymore.

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Ed Reppert wrote:

So... If Rovagug escapes, what happens to Golarion? Is this where Absalom Station comes from in Starfinder? But... we were told pretty emphatically that the Universe in which Golarion and Pathfinder 2E exist and the version in which Starfinder and Absalom Station exists are separate and distinct. How does that fit?

A side question: "War of Immortals" is going to be?

a) a Lost Omens book
b) a PF2E rulebook
c) an adventure path
d) all of the above
e) even more

Separate and distinct does not mean incompatible.

Maybe Starfinder is the future of Pathfinder. Maybe not.

We cannot suppose anything about one based on the other.

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I wonder how much of our musings are truly ours and what is influenced by the stories we read.

Never underestimate the power of a good writer.

Also I feel that the prologues, as opposed to the rest of the story, might be written just before the post is published. Which would allow them to incorporate our theories and musings in real time.


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Crazy Theory:
A new threat appears that is stronger than the Core 20. It starts killing gods, making them actually fear for their lives for possibly the first time ever.

Feeling powerless, some deities start plotting to free Rovagug to unleash him against this new threat, Godzilla style. They are betting on the idea that they caged Rovagug once, so they could always cage him a second time after he has defeated the threat.

And so at the worst possible time the gods go to war with each other, with the gods who want to free Rovagug on one side and those not willing to risk freeing him on the other.

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In this timeline where Desna dies, she is no longer around to protect Sarenrae from the Keepers of the Hollow Star.

So one day, the people of Golarion will wake up and there will be no Sun. It will have winked out. All that will remain will be the endless night of the Dark Tapestry.


Good! Good. Had Desna been the sacrifice, I would have brought war to Paizo itself. I remain protective of her lovers, but my greatest fear has not come to pass, thank Desna.

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Ed Reppert wrote:

So... If Rovagug escapes, what happens to Golarion? Is this where Absalom Station comes from in Starfinder? But... we were told pretty emphatically that the Universe in which Golarion and Pathfinder 2E exist and the version in which Starfinder and Absalom Station exists are separate and distinct. How does that fit?

A side question: "War of Immortals" is going to be?

a) a Lost Omens book
b) a PF2E rulebook
c) an adventure path
d) all of the above
e) even more

e)

We know of at least: a rulebook (War of Immortals), a Lost Omen book (Divine Mysteries), a novel written by Liane Merciel, AND that players will get to actively take part in some of it, so there's something playable, and that could be an AP or an adventure.


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Sy Kerraduess wrote:

Crazy Theory:

A new threat appears that is stronger than the Core 20. It starts killing gods, making them actually fear for their lives for possibly the first time ever.

That’s right. Ensign Johnny, the Godripper.

Sy Kerraduess wrote:

Feeling powerless, some deities start plotting to free Rovagug to unleash him against this new threat, Godzilla style. They are betting on the idea that they caged Rovagug once, so they could always cage him a second time after he has defeated the threat.

And so at the worst possible time the gods go to war with each other, with the gods who want to free Rovagug on one side and those not willing to risk freeing him on the other.

All the while Ensign Johnny just wants to make it back home in one… piece.

/after Kittyburger


There seem to be no war of immortal in any of these prophecies. I wonder what make the chosen god to be dead special enough to have an entire war started because of their death? Also who will be fighting who? Since it's call War of the Immortal I'm guessing we'll be seeing some sort of alliance between gods?

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LandSwordBear wrote:
Sy Kerraduess wrote:

Crazy Theory:

A new threat appears that is stronger than the Core 20. It starts killing gods, making them actually fear for their lives for possibly the first time ever.

That’s right. Ensign Johnny, the Godripper.

Sy Kerraduess wrote:

Feeling powerless, some deities start plotting to free Rovagug to unleash him against this new threat, Godzilla style. They are betting on the idea that they caged Rovagug once, so they could always cage him a second time after he has defeated the threat.

And so at the worst possible time the gods go to war with each other, with the gods who want to free Rovagug on one side and those not willing to risk freeing him on the other.

All the while Ensign Johnny just wants to make it back home in one… piece.

/after Kittyburger

Thank you!

(and after Ensign Johnny gets an artificial heart from being stabbed through the torso by a Nausicaan with a bad attitude he grows up to be Captain Jean-Luc Picard)


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Ed Reppert wrote:
So... If Rovagug escapes, what happens to Golarion?
Jonathan Morgantini wrote:
Lots of things! You'll see all the tie in stuff on the stream!

Fascinating.

(I kid. I kid.)


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Sy Kerraduess wrote:

Crazy Theory:

A new threat appears that is stronger than the Core 20. It starts killing gods, making them actually fear for their lives for possibly the first time ever.

Feeling powerless, some deities start plotting to free Rovagug to unleash him against this new threat, Godzilla style. They are betting on the idea that they caged Rovagug once, so they could always cage him a second time after he has defeated the threat.

And so at the worst possible time the gods go to war with each other, with the gods who want to free Rovagug on one side and those not willing to risk freeing him on the other.

This is not logical. If Rovagug can defeat this threat, but the other gods can recapture him, then the other gods can probably also defeat the threat. So there's no need to let Rovy loose.


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Ed Reppert wrote:
This is not logical. If Rovagug can defeat this threat, but the other gods can recapture him, then the other gods can probably also defeat the threat. So there's no need to let Rovy loose.

It is literally the plot of the original prophecy of the end times.

Also, you're incorrect. In particular, it's entirely plausible that someone might believe both "If we unleash Rovagug on this guy and the provide fire support, that could be enough to take him down" and "and after that fight, we'll probably be able to cram Rovagug back into his prison, what with the resulting fatigue and injuries"


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Ah, but is it true? :-)


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Ed Reppert wrote:
Ah, but is it true? :-)

Whether or not it is true has no bearing on whether or not it is logical that someone might think it was true.

Past that, there are far too many uncertainties to say.


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Ed Reppert wrote:

...

This is not logical. If Rovagug can defeat this threat, but the other gods can recapture him, then the other gods can probably also defeat the threat. So there's no need to let Rovy loose.

This hypothetical threat might be particularly vulnerable to Rovagug for some reason. There isn't necessarily a transitive property of victory. That scissors can defeat paper and rock can defeat scissors doesn't mean that rock can defeat paper. ;)


Ed Reppert wrote:
This is not logical. If Rovagug can defeat this threat, but the other gods can recapture him, then the other gods can probably also defeat the threat. So there's no need to let Rovy loose.

All things being equal maybe they would be able to capture that new threat as well... but then where are they gonna put it? Golarion already has a world-ending tenant, and I'm pretty sure shoving a second Rovagug-tier entity into the planet's core would end terribly.

(although that could lead to an alternate theory, that Rovagug is the deity who dies because the gods stupidly shove a creature of similar strength into his prison and things quickly spiral out of control)

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Sanityfaerie wrote:


It is literally the plot of the original prophecy of the end times.

Where could one read the original prophecy?


Anorak wrote:
Sanityfaerie wrote:


It is literally the plot of the original prophecy of the end times.

Where could one read the original prophecy?

I honestly couldn't tell you, but the basic idea is that Asmodeus at some point winds up unlocking Rovagug's cage because he's even more scared of some other threat that's just showed up. Possibly one of the folks who's really into lore could tell you more.


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Still not over how Desna’s love of travel and the domain gifted her by her dead Mentor/Friend is what lead to her own downfall.

She in her way was stuck on a facet of her past, just like all the other Gods mentioned in her story ended up becoming, stuck on a the facets that reminded her of what they lost.

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Sanityfaerie wrote:


I honestly couldn't tell you, but the basic idea is that Asmodeus at some point winds up unlocking Rovagug's cage because he's even more scared of some other threat that's just showed up. Possibly one of the folks who's really into lore could tell you more.

That rings a bell. Ah ha! Concordance of Rivals (Thanks Reddit)

"According to the Concordance of Rivals, when the End Times come, Rovagug will be freed by a desperate Asmodeus in the hope that he will consume the other apocalypse. Indeed, Rovagug will devour the rest of creation before consuming himself, leaving behind only Groetus to turn off the light of the cosmos and a Survivor to rebuild it anew.[14]" - from the PathfinderWiki, Pointing to page 49 of the Concordance of Rivals

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Just out of curiosity, out of the current "20", who 'became' gods after Rovagug was caged?

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Aristophanes wrote:
Just out of curiosity, out of the current "20", who 'became' gods after Rovagug was caged?

Cayden, Iomedae, Norgorber, Irori, and Nethys, IIRC.


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Anorak wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
Just out of curiosity, out of the current "20", who 'became' gods after Rovagug was caged?
Cayden, Iomedae, Norgorber, Irori, and Nethys, IIRC.

Urgathoa, too. Also I don't know if it was ever confirmed when exactly Lamashtu became a goddess relative to other events.

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Sibelius Eos Owm wrote:
Anorak wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
Just out of curiosity, out of the current "20", who 'became' gods after Rovagug was caged?
Cayden, Iomedae, Norgorber, Irori, and Nethys, IIRC.
Urgathoa, too. Also I don't know if it was ever confirmed when exactly Lamashtu became a goddess relative to other events.

Urgathoa was ascended before the gods came together to cage Rovagug.

Or so I thought since she is the origin of disease as mentioned in her history.

Lamashtu was a demon lord so definitely after Rovagug was caged too.

Quote:


Pharasma creates the River of Souls, which populates the Universe with mortal souls and life.

Rovagug invades the Universe on its first day of existence and devours seven worlds before being driven back by other deities to the Outer Rifts. Desna memorializes these worlds in the Sevenfold Cynosure.

The deities Calistria, Dou-Bral, Torag, Gorum, Dahak, and Apsu form.

Intelligent mortal life forms in the Universe. Ihys advocates for mortals to have free will, which starts a war with his brother Asmodeus that kills countless beings and ends in Ihys's death at Asmodeus's hands.

The Seal of creation disappears.

Ihys's death attracts Rovagug back to the Universe where he devours numerous worlds full of sentient beings, beginning with the world where Asmodeus killed Ihys.

Groetus first appears above the Boneyard.

The Bound Prince devolves into the First of the Apocalypse Riders after consuming the souls of those killed by Rovagug.

Achaekek suffers from insanity and devolves into a nearly mindless beast.

An alliance of deities led by Sarenrae battle Rovagug before his consumption of the planets Golarion, Androffa, and Earth. Unable to destroy the Rough Beast, they imprison him in the Dead Vault, a demiplane trap built by Torag and Gorum within Golarion, the least developed of those threatened worlds.

This marks the end of the Age of Creation.


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Ah, I conflated the story of Zura, who supposedly was an Azlanti queen that ascended to being the demon lord of vampires, with Urgathoa, who is merely said to have been the first mortal to return as undead (bringing disease with her). This leaves plenty of room for her to have been born on some non-Golarion planet and died before the War in Heaven and subsequent Rage of Creation. Certainly, to be the "first" Urgathoa's rise can be no later than Azlant, and likely much earlier.

... And scouring for Lamashtu, it seems like the god she killed to become a deity was worshipped in Azlant, meaning Lamashtu's godhood can be no older than human civilization on Golarion.

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Anorak wrote:
Sibelius Eos Owm wrote:
Anorak wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
Just out of curiosity, out of the current "20", who 'became' gods after Rovagug was caged?
Cayden, Iomedae, Norgorber, Irori, and Nethys, IIRC.
Urgathoa, too. Also I don't know if it was ever confirmed when exactly Lamashtu became a goddess relative to other events.

Urgathoa was ascended before the gods came together to cage Rovagug.

Or so I thought since she is the origin of disease as mentioned in her history.

Lamashtu was a demon lord so definitely after Rovagug was caged too.

Quote:


Pharasma creates the River of Souls, which populates the Universe with mortal souls and life.

Rovagug invades the Universe on its first day of existence and devours seven worlds before being driven back by other deities to the Outer Rifts. Desna memorializes these worlds in the Sevenfold Cynosure.

The deities Calistria, Dou-Bral, Torag, Gorum, Dahak, and Apsu form.

Intelligent mortal life forms in the Universe. Ihys advocates for mortals to have free will, which starts a war with his brother Asmodeus that kills countless beings and ends in Ihys's death at Asmodeus's hands.

The Seal of creation disappears.

Ihys's death attracts Rovagug back to the Universe where he devours numerous worlds full of sentient beings, beginning with the world where Asmodeus killed Ihys.

Groetus first appears above the Boneyard.

The Bound Prince devolves into the First of the Apocalypse Riders after consuming the souls of those killed by Rovagug.

Achaekek suffers from insanity and devolves into a nearly mindless beast.

An alliance of deities led by Sarenrae battle Rovagug before his consumption of the planets Golarion, Androffa, and Earth. Unable to destroy the Rough Beast, they imprison him in the Dead Vault, a demiplane trap built by Torag and Gorum within Golarion, the least developed of those threatened worlds.

...

Where does this last quote comes from ? It feels familiar but a few things don't seem to add up. Like the Seal having disappeared long ago and Golarion being less developed than Earth.


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The posts about the bad things that would happen if Rovagug's essence rained down everywhere lead to a revival of an idea I posted in an earlier one of these threads:

Rovagug dies from being imprisoned and starved for so long, or perhaps devours himself, either way as others have posted above.

As soon as the news breaks, the other deities no longer have the fear of Rovagug escaping to keep them in check from war on those of each other that they hate.

Meanwhile, those deities that hold onto some sense realize that the corpse of Rovagug is extremely hazardous material, and that a Rovagug Godsrain must be prevented. So they steal his corpse and send it off for disposal in the black hole at the center of the galaxy. In the haste and chaos, some Rovagug material does rain down on Golarion, but much less than what would have otherwise occurred. Eventually, they succeed in dropping the great majority of the corpse into the black hole.

. . . Millennia later, the black hole awakens . . . .

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The Raven Black wrote:
Where does this last quote comes from ? It feels familiar but a few things don't seem to add up. Like the Seal having disappeared long ago and Golarion being less developed than Earth.

The Windsong Testaments Rage of Creation https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sh26

Last paragraph:

Here is the verbatim: new alliance was born that day as Rovagug turned his attention toward three different worlds—Androffa, Golarion, Earth—and as his actions began devastations therein, the gods began the work that would end the Age of Creation. Wily Calistria distracted Rovagug from his feast, sparing the three worlds and focusing his gaze around the least of them—Golarion, a younger world than its two imperiled sisters. Torag and Gorum toiled together under Pharasma’s guidance within Golarion to craft the Dead Vault, a demiplane metaphysically nested within that could hold the Rough Beast. Abadar provided the perfect key and lock to hold the prison shut, a key so cunning in construction that only Asmodeus could turn it. Dou-Bral placed the Star Towers around Golarion and poised to strike when the time was right. And when the Dead Vault was complete, Calistria lured Rovagug into the trap. There, he was ambushed by Sarenrae and Desna, Apsu and Dahak, Erastil and Gozreh, and many more who would fall in battle to Rovagug’s jaws and be forgotten forever. But as Rovagug stepped fully into the trap, Sarenrae cut open the world and dealt Rovagug a crippling blow, sending the Rough Beast hurtling into the Dead Vault. Dou-Bral woke the Star Towers, and they lanced into the world, stitching Golarion shut and piercing Rovagug within, stunning the rough beast long enough for Asmodeus to turn the key in the lock.

And with that, the young world of Golarion became the Cage. The Age of Creation ended, and the Ages that Followed began. And as long as the Cage continues to spin, as long as the Rough Beast remains within, may those Ages never again falter and die.


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Who has the key to the Dead Vault? Is it Asmodeus, or Abadar? For some reason I'm thinking the latter.

The Star Towers are failing? Why is that? Can they be repaired/rekindled? Seems to me that would make a pretty good AP. :-)


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Asmodeus has the key, but Grandmother Spider made a copy. I'm also pretty sure there's already been at least one adventure or AP centered around the Star Towers; they failed because of Zon-Kuthon's corruption, which is why Rovagug has clerics again.


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Hm.

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Ed Reppert wrote:
Hm.

Indeed. Also why is it that her holy symbol shows up especially in the temples of the Ascended Gods? She also wants to rebel against the gods and is in control of fate.

Curiouser and Curiouser.

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Anorak wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
Where does this last quote comes from ? It feels familiar but a few things don't seem to add up. Like the Seal having disappeared long ago and Golarion being less developed than Earth.

The Windsong Testaments Rage of Creation https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sh26

Last paragraph:

Here is the verbatim: new alliance was born that day as Rovagug turned his attention toward three different worlds—Androffa, Golarion, Earth—and as his actions began devastations therein, the gods began the work that would end the Age of Creation. Wily Calistria distracted Rovagug from his feast, sparing the three worlds and focusing his gaze around the least of them—Golarion,….

Honestly that’s always my favourite little bit of lore that almost no one knows. Not only did CalIstria go toe to toe with the Rough Beast and live where so many others died, but she also managed to save several worlds. More powerful of a goddess than people and Paizo honestly give her credit for.


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I’m not exactly sure “distracting” Rovagug is the same as “going toe-to-toe”, which tends to imply combat. I guess they could have been doing the gothic twostep while facing each other? No disrespect to Calistria intended - her role was clearly integrally hers and instrumental in the plan…


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I’m not exactly sure “distracting” Rovagug is the same as “going toe-to-toe”, which tends to imply combat. I guess they could have been doing the gothic twostep while facing each other? No disrespect to Calistria intended - her role was clearly integrally hers and instrumental in the plan…

She'd have to be able to pull off an enticing dance to lure Rovie in, so I could see a deific equivalent of that...?


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I feel like it's very important to remember that Calistria is a goddess of trickery as well as revenge and lust. I doubt she went personally toe-to-toe for long--I'm pretty sure only Sarenrae can really claim that honor--but she was absolutely instrumental in outplaying him.


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While it might not have been a showing of raw endurance or physical power. Even if it was all mental trickery and none of the other two factors I still say it's quite an impressive showing.


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In this context I'd like to honor Igor Grechanyi's spectacular illustration -- s. https://cdn.paizo.com/image/content/Blog/10220_rovagug.jpg -- that obviously deals with some phase of the fight against Rovagug. (Detail: I remember them saying, that the "rocks" on the ground were actually mountains...)

It might give some hint, how closely our Savored Sting flirted with the Worldbreaker. Or it might not.

I can't say how accurately, how "Canon", this is meant to be. Or whether there is an in-Universe-equivalent to Igors illustration. And - if you ask me - it doesn't have to be. Artistic freedom is a wonderful thing. On Earth and Golarion as well.

Anyway, no matter how toe-to-toe or cheek by jowl -- in my world, I am convinced that the Rough Beast was quite affected by the Unquenchable Fire when Creation came to its cataclysmic conclusion.

To round this up, I might add: Above illustration gives me some fiery vibe for what waits just beyond the horizon, too. Allow me to add: May the Fire still burn after the next War of Immortals!

(PS: Though I still see eerie indicators that keep me dread My Lady's demise. May I be wrong. At least her ally for ages seems safe, for now. Though some terrible madness seems to stay behind the stars, still. Sipping slowly. Dripping in through dreams I can't shake off. War awaits. And I don't know what to do. Besides clinging to pictures of past glory. And gore.)


Questions to the blogging insiders:

1.)
I was wondering whether the Godsrain Prophecies are mainly written for our entertainment and as (IMHO: quite artistic) teasers for the upcoming revelation and products - but in a concealing way, so that we don't guess the death too early (or at all before confirmation at the april event)?

Or are they meant also to include further hidden hints, maybe a pattern that would allow to somehow correctly conclude the death in a logical manner? (Besides just the fact that they marked some divinities safe, directly, already.)

2.)
Another question, if you are allowed to reveal that: Are the Godsrain Prophecies blog-only material or will they (in whole or part) also be included in some upcoming material?


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3.) Apart from the departing core deity and newly entering Arazni, is leaving the core 20 while staying alive an option?

(Be warned: A single "yes" could bring the speculations already distributed over 7+ weeks and 1000+ messages to an even more extreme level. I'm not sure if it was good if a certain someone was dancing even more... ;-) Maybe also a frightening perspective...)

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Eunaya Alumari wrote:
Anorak wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
Where does this last quote comes from ? It feels familiar but a few things don't seem to add up. Like the Seal having disappeared long ago and Golarion being less developed than Earth.

The Windsong Testaments Rage of Creation https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sh26

Last paragraph:

Here is the verbatim: new alliance was born that day as Rovagug turned his attention toward three different worlds—Androffa, Golarion, Earth—and as his actions began devastations therein, the gods began the work that would end the Age of Creation. Wily Calistria distracted Rovagug from his feast, sparing the three worlds and focusing his gaze around the least of them—Golarion,….

Honestly that’s always my favourite little bit of lore that almost no one knows. Not only did CalIstria go toe to toe with the Rough Beast and live where so many others died, but she also managed to save several worlds. More powerful of a goddess than people and Paizo honestly give her credit for.

This made me think how all the deities involved in caging Rovagug (heck, even Rovagug itself) played roles that exemplified what they stand for.

Putting this together with the dire warning on Eternity's Doorstep, the disappearance of the Seal of Creation and other tidbits, I now know the truth.

Spoiler:
Things did not happen as we believe. Rovagug got out and ate Creation, and maybe Aroden was involved in this for some reason. Billions of creatures and deities died. And what we call Golarion, the Universe and the whole of reality is actually a mindscape populated by the shades of all those beings, on the way to oblivion. Meanwhile the cycle of creation runs its course with a new Survivor and a new reality out there.
But all that we care about has actually been left behind to slowly erode and disappear, not even a memory left to mark the passing.

It changes everything. And yet it changes nothing.

Because it was true all along.


Pretty sure Azlant didn't even exist, much less Aroden.

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Kobold Catgirl wrote:
Pretty sure Azlant didn't even exist, much less Aroden.

Spoiler:
Rovagug got out of Golarion's Cage and ate everything, as prophesied, which could completely be after Aroden. Maybe even because of yet another of Aroden's foolish and short-sighted endeavours.

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calnivo wrote:
3.) Apart from the departing core deity and newly entering Arazni, is leaving the core 20 while staying alive an option?

I dunno who'd get Hestia'ed in those circumstances. Seems unlikely.

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calnivo wrote:

3.) Apart from the departing core deity and newly entering Arazni, is leaving the core 20 while staying alive an option?

(Be warned: A single "yes" could bring the speculations already distributed over 7+ weeks and 1000+ messages to an even more extreme level. I'm not sure if it was good if a certain someone was dancing even more... ;-) Maybe also a frightening perspective...)

We have not heard of a deity leaving the core 20 without dying.

It is unlikely it could happen so quickly because the Core 20 are the most well-known deities of the Inner Sea. And fame is not lost as quickly as life.

We have not heard of any deity entering the new Core 20 except Arazni.

So, my guess is that it will not happen in War of Immortals.

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